anyone else follow it?
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plz no immature ZOMG GOD ISNT REAL LOL posts.
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anyone else follow it?
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plz no immature ZOMG GOD ISNT REAL LOL posts.
I cba to read all that. Put it in a sentence for me :)
1) We are willing to be open to all the possibilities of who Jesus was said to be, and focus more on His life than His death. We may question His divinity, believe in the Trinity, or be Unitarian.
2) We believe that the Bible contains truth but is not always literal. We believe that it is a map and not the final destination of our journey.
3) We believe other faiths contain truths as well.
4) We believe that asking questions is okay, and that there is rarely such a thing as a single black and white answer to those questions.
5) We are seeking closeness to God, not points for following certain rules which will buy our way into heaven. We take Jesus' admonitions to the Pharisees to heart and focus on the grace and compassion of God.
6) We welcome other seekers regardless of who they are as God wants us to include people rather than exclude them.
7) Many of us believe in universal salvation.
I don't know why but I would feel very deceived if I was Jesus and my followers started believing things from other religions.
I agree with all of them points, except for the third.
Interesting, though.
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anywho, this looks like a decent following and i agree with all of the 'bullet points' to be honest. i've always leaned towards religion rather than atheism.
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That's not very fair to say.Quote:
Originally Posted by sponge bob
To be honest,
I don't know.. I don't think anyone knows the truth, its whatever you believe, and everyone should respect what others believe whether or not they think they are right or wrong
Personally, I don't believe in anything.. I think we die, and rot in the ground.. just like any other creature does.
I think that's a stupid thing to say. I'm not respecting everyone's opinion, and never will I.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dentafrice,
Then no one is going to respect yours.
What you just said is a load of ****.
You should respect their opinion, even if you don't like it :\
I earn respect and people should earn theirs. If people are gonna start mugging off something and saying how it's a load of crap then I'm gonna mug them off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dentafrice,
Ok, step back, take a deep breath and notice what a hypocrit you just were.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dentafrice,
Dance offers an opinion. You say what the said a load of **** and people should respect each others opinions.
Notice the problem?
Thinking someone elses opinion is stupid is an equaly valid opinion as the one put forward to start with. You should always allow people to have and state there opinions, but at no point, ever, should you be forced to respect it. By doing so you take away any value or merit from you own opinions.
I dont belive in god, im not a theist, thus i belive these people are just as delusional as those who take the bible literal. Not quite as completely and utterly stupid, these ones appear to have brains at least, but still deluded. If no evedence suggests somthing, beliveing in it is absured. You may as well belive in invisable pink dinosuars named tim or bob.
I'm a Catholic and don't feel the need to be an evangelist or prostitute or w.e. and I'm certainly not believing in the 3432 gods that other religions have.
That's exactly my religion :D. I read a lot into Christianity and religion, the existence of God etc and came to the conclusion that Christianity is the right choice. I eventually decided to follow the Liberal Christian path :).
Yes thats exactly me aswell.
That my friend is why its called a Faith You have to have faith in God and his existence because there is no evidence of his existenceQuote:
Originally Posted by 01101101entor
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Originally Posted by Dan2nd
The guy has a point, people choose what to have faith in, and they don't need to be told that they are deluded because of that. It's like, for kids, there is no evidence of Santa Claus' existence, but they believe it anyway.
except santa brings them presents and is at the mall downtown where you sit on his lap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sentrax
God is just supposed to be. You have to accept everything the people who made up the religion decide.
I don't know if there is a god or not but I am not all closed off to the fact.
I don't think there is the God of christianity or any other religion but there might be some superpower who set up the universe a few billion years ago but has not done anything since.
People have faith in some theories like gravity and water being H20, but without evidence nothing is right or wrong.
No, thats just a load of rubbish they feed you to convince you of that fact, you yourself dont even belive it because it makes no sence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan2nd
Even to have faith you need a reason. Your reason is because people, be it your family, friends of just the old book told you to.
Take Tim, hes an invisible floating green dinosaur. Do you believe he exists? Do you have any reason for beliveing or not beliveing? have you even concidered the matter before.
No, because theres no evedence suggesting it, so its a none issue. Just like god is. But if you had faith im Tim, maybe things would be differnt.
Or to take a better quote:
"I contend that we are both atheists. I just go one god further than you. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."
- Stephen Robert
The things are still right or wrong, we just dont know which is which at the time. Plus we dont have faith in gravity like the example suggests you do god. I have evdence for gravity, when i drop somthing it falls. If i have evdence, and proof, its not really faith.Quote:
Originally Posted by Virgin Mary
I think that religion is for weaker minded people that can't accept that there is no explination to certain things and want an answer.
What happens after death? No-one really knows. They use religion to explain things no matter how far fetched regigios theorys may be.
that all seems a very generalised religion/following to me :S
That has got to be the most idiotic thing I have ever seen. Of course water is H2O. Scientists have seen Oxygen molecules and they have seen Hydrogen molecules so they can easily see that water comprises two hydrogen molecules and one oxygen molecule. However God has never been seen by anyone who can be taken seriously. I'm not even going to go into the fact that you think gravity is a theory because it's just moronic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Virgin Mary
Until actual proof is found that supports that God is real (and not some 1000 year old book or the old line that 'The earth is so amazing that someone must have designed it') I will not believe it.
no,Quote:
Originally Posted by 01101101entor
none of my family or friends belive (sp?) in god I havn't even read the bible but I do have faith in Gods existence.
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Originally Posted by 01101101entor
i dno, i used to feel the same but im completely changed now. its hard to explain but once you feel god in you you dont need there to be physical proof in his/her/whatevers existance you know that what you can feel inside you is strong enough to convince you at least. i know this post is gonna get me bare flamed, but anyone else with faith will back me up, im sure.
its not really that, more that we cant prove/disprove any other world religion more so than we can with christianity and many of them do contain true teachings etc. so we choose not to close them off; but we still follow the teachings of jesus christ.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sentrax
heh, many progressive christians dont believe in an afterlife and many accept noone fully knows the truth. you pretty much just agreed with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dentafrice,
i was brought up a catholic but it annoys me how much organized religion adds extras onto the basic concept of god. noones asking you to believe in any other gods, all it says is that other religions can contain truth too, whether they be in its teachings, commandments or whatever. just because it isnt christianity you shouldnt shut yourself away from it and write it off =/Quote:
Originally Posted by Virgin Mary
Of course I believe in scientific laws, they can be considered proof of some kind of creator. Scientific theories are all about which label stick, not facts. When the big bang was first suggested it was rejected by scientists and the general public but accepted by the Pope and the Catholic community. And just for the record, water is a substance formed from H2O and many other elements, not H2O itself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Picard
If we're talking about pure water, what else are you going to find in there?Quote:
Originally Posted by Virgin Mary
pope's sweat or something
Ions and salt or something similar. HOH is the mere component.Quote:
Originally Posted by Concentric2
HOH is just another expression of the formula, it is no different to H2OQuote:
Originally Posted by Virgin Mary
Salt? That would make it salt water... If we're talking pure water then H2O molecules is all you'd have.Quote:
Originally Posted by Virgin Mary
You're right though about normal (tap, bottled etc) water, there are other bits.
Anyway, going a bit off topic here :P
I agree partly with those points but i'm agnostic//atheist.
How can this be? :'s If you have H2O molecules (water is arranged HOH) then you have H2O molecules not water. Water is a substance in which H2O is the primary molecule. Unless it's ice or steam then water begins ionising almost immediately. I don't know what I'm talking about, wait till I get a PhD then I can continue.
You can have faith elvis is still alive if you like, in fact theres More evdence suggesting thats the case than there is for god "/Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan2nd
Unluckly a gut feeling, how ever strong, is not what i define reality by. God is a none issue, theres no evidence for or against, i have no reason not to belive in him as equaly i have no reason to belive in him. Since i lack a reason to belive in him, in the same way i lack a reason to belive in Tim the invisable dinosour. I simply dont concider it an issue, im an aithiest - without a belief in god. (not the same as beliveing god doesnt exist)Quote:
Originally Posted by YoManGo!
Until somthing suggest or at least points to the possiblty or likelyhood of such a thing, i see no reason inderving to establish more about the abstract concept that is god.
Christanty just offers one possible idea of what god could be. The one in christanty is jellous, wrathful and pretty stupid alot of the time. Far from perfect as most concepts claim. Hence why he gets so mad and comits mass genaside when people beliveing in a differnt god than him (which happens a number of times in the bible)Quote:
i was brought up a catholic but it annoys me how much organized religion adds extras onto the basic concept of god. noones asking you to believe in any other gods, all it says is that other religions can contain truth too, whether they be in its teachings, commandments or whatever. just because it isnt christianity you shouldnt shut yourself away from it and write it off =/
The christian conception of god is just one possible god concept. Many others exist, although i agree, its far better for people to establish there own idea of god that will benifit them and with luck make them better as a person, than to have a large organised religion which simply lends itself to a neverending stream of corruption.
Water is H2O, its true pure water is very rair, but only the H2O is actualy water, the rest are just other minerals and chemicals mixed in with it. The water remains as just alot of H2O.Quote:
Of course I believe in scientific laws, they can be considered proof of some kind of creator. Scientific theories are all about which label stick, not facts. When the big bang was first suggested it was rejected by scientists and the general public but accepted by the Pope and the Catholic community. And just for the record, water is a substance formed from H2O and many other elements, not H2O itself.
Plus all science is with facts, a scientific theory is a best explaintion at the time for the evdence avaible, when more evednece appears you can check the theorys predictions were correct, if they were, theory seems to be right, or at least close to it. If not, the theory needs refineing in order to get closer to the truth.
Gravity = fact. We know gravity exists and that things are attaracted to each other by a gravition pull
The theroy of gravity = a theory explaing how this actualy works, we have a good idea, but we dont know for sure exactly how gravity is working, so it remains a theory.
H2O molecules = Water. There just to names for the same thing, the H2O is simply a statement of which elements combine in order to create each water molicule.Quote:
Originally Posted by Virgin Mary
Water IS H2O. Often Water is mixed with other stuff, because its to expencive to filter completely, thus the water from a tap isnt just water, its water + clorine and any number of any other chemicals, salts and minerals.
You've got it wrong, H2O is 2 H (Hydrogen) molecules and 1 O (Oxygen molecule) which is exactly what HOH is. Water which is found naturally is less commonly H2O because it will have trace amounts of whatever it has been in contact in with it but H2O is just the water part when pure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Virgin Mary
Then you are more agnostic than atheist; atheism is actively disbelieving the existence of a greater power.Quote:
Originally Posted by 01101101entor
Not really, athism correctly means "without belife in god" just look at the word.Quote:
Originally Posted by Concentric2
a = without (think of asyimetrical or amoral etc)
theism = belief in god
Although if you want to get in to the more technical side, i would classify myself as a weak athiest, which is admittedly quite close to an agnostic option, since i dont claim to know ether way. I hold the stance because from a purely logical point of view, beliveing there definitely isnt a god is just as stupid believing there is one, in that no evidence exists to suggest ether way. (the position a strong aithiest would have is an active belife that god doesnt exist)
The difference between my position though and an agnostic is an agnostic belives there may or may not be a god, and hasent decided which one is true, setting for an undecided opinion. My own as a weak aithiest is that no decison exists since it makes no sence to deny or accept a proposition that hasnt been made. By made i mean in terms of being indicated by any form of evedence.
You dont belive in magical super goats. You dont have any reason not to belive in them, theres no evedence that proves they dont exist. The reason is theres no reasonable evedence that actualy suggests or implys there existence. The same is true from my prospective of god.
Getting away from the pointless discussion of water and back to the original topic; I think this is the worst form of Christianity available. It's basically a way of being able to tell everyone you're a Christian without actually following any Christian laws. It's the "pick and choose" sector of Christianity, where if you don't want to live by a Bible law you can just say "nah I interpret it differently so it doesn't apply to me in that way".
In my opinion, if you're going to be a Christian you should actually read the Bible and live by its teachings rather than just saying you believe in God. Fair enough, you could have a belief in any god without following any rules, but to truly believe in the Judeo-Christian God should mean that you respect (and hell, if the Bible's any example, fear) Him enough to do as He says, to the letter. You can go on about certain laws being outdated, but social codes shouldn't affect how you follow your religion. Do it properly, because you're only kidding yourself otherwise.
is progressive christianity different than christianity?
cause i'm christian & like.. yeah.
umm... i unno.
I know what you mean but i still think what you're saying is the same as being agnostic. If you're agreeing that there is no evidence either way then how can you argue that you're being scientific about it and yet leaning towards one side.Quote:
Originally Posted by 01101101entor
imo, religion = bull. none of them appeal to me in the slightest.
& i don't agree with progressive christianity.
if you're going to be a Christian, you should follow the proper christian religion and it's rules, instead of following some adapted rules to make it easier.
it's kind of an easy option.