Cameron tells Brown "Let the people decide."

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Let the people decide - Cameron

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Mr Cameron must convince voters it is time for a change
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David Cameron has challenged Gordon Brown to call an immediate general election and "let the people decide".
In a rallying end-of-conference speech, the Tory leader said the Conservatives were ready for a snap poll, adding: "We will fight, and Britain will win."
He said he wanted his party to inspire people with a message of optimism and hope for Britain in the "new world".
Speaking without notes, he contrasted the "modern" Tories with Labour's "cynical... old politics".
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He reminded party members he had last addressed them in Blackpool when he had made his pitch to be their leader in 2005 - a speech which famously propelled him from outsider to favourite for the job.
"Today I want to make a speech about why I want to lead our country," he said.
"I'm afraid it's going to be a bit longer and I haven't got an autocue. I haven't got a script. I have just got a few notes. It might be a bit messy, but it will be me."
New priorities The Conservatives have used their week in Blackpool to set out the policies they believe can win them the next election - including lifting the ceiling on inheritance tax from £300,000 to £1m and cutting stamp duty for first-time buyers. With the party trailing in the opinion polls, Mr Cameron was hoping to convince voters the Tories have what it takes to deliver changes in health, education, law and order and security.

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Clever, clever play. But I believe it's a bluff all the same. Also, he did a speech from adlib, no speeches just a few notes which I think was a very smart move seen as Cameron has been accused of being very "face" and only intrested in looking good.

Gotta hand it to 'em, some intelligent moves.

Huuugeee bluff. I can see straight through it, not sure about the rest of the electorate though. It makes me cringe when a presenter asks a tory what they'll do if there's an election, and they answer with a smug "win". It makes me cringe and to be honest I fail to see how anyone can seriously want them to govern the country, unless they're eurosceptic toffs that is. :P Maybe I'm exaggerating... a little.

It's a nice tactic because it's difficult to believe that Brown will do it, and so he could lose face. Fairly important when it's clear that Labour would still win an election at this time no matter how unpopular they are, simply because not many people like Cameron.

I don't think we'll see Conservative back in power for a very long time to be honest.

If Cameron doesn't win this election, mark my words, he won't be leader for another election afterwards.

The reason Cameron seemed to be ahead in the polls, wasn't because of his 'moderniseation' of the party, it was because Tony Blair was unpopular, I think if the Torys returned to traditional values like under Thatcher and Howard, they would have more a chance of winning.

Such a bluff! Gordon Brown has a 11 point lead in opinion polls atm, so Labour would be hard to beat.

Before Tony Blair left, I thought that Cameron would probably be PM very very soon, but so far, Gordon Brown is doing quite a good job :)

Anyway, I dont want Brown to call an election, because if he does I wont be able to go on my school trip to the Houses of Parliament :(

Na Gordon gonna do Early Election V Obv.

Everyone Loves Gordon Brown.

I mean take the GB Stickers on Cars.

GB = Gordon Brown.

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Originally Posted by Andeeh

Na Gordon gonna do Early Election V Obv.

Everyone Loves Gordon Brown.

I mean take the GB Stickers on Cars.

GB = Gordon Brown.

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Lol.

Only problem is, with a winter election not many people can be botherd to go out and vote, so the outcome of the election may not be a true reflection of the countrys views.

With the lead narrowing (apparently) I can't see there being a general election on the 1st November. Then again, who knows.

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Originally Posted by Frodo13.

Such a bluff! Gordon Brown has a 11 point lead in opinion polls atm, so Labour would be hard to beat.

Before Tony Blair left, I thought that Cameron would probably be PM very very soon, but so far, Gordon Brown is doing quite a good job :)

Anyway, I dont want Brown to call an election, because if he does I wont be able to go on my school trip to the Houses of Parliament :(

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However last night I found out the lead over the tories has narrowed to only 3 points, I disagree with him doing a good job though, all he has done really is lie to us about an EU vote the lecture us on we being able to trust him.

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Originally Posted by Spectate

With the lead narrowing (apparently) I can't see there being a general election on the 1st November. Then again, who knows.

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I feel the same way, the only reason i'd want the Tories to win is because they'd promise a referendum.

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Originally Posted by mat64

I don't think we'll see Conservative back in power for a very long time to be honest.

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Good. They are there for all the rich people not for the average working man.

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Originally Posted by JackHb

Good. They are there for all the rich people not for the average working man.

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Utter rubbish.

Notice how Labour give to the sponges and how Gordon Brown has allowed the rich to get away with not paying taxes over the past 10 years?

Tories = Work hard, you'll get your money and house.

Labour = Tax everyone stupidly, let rich get away with it and give lazy morons benefits.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

Utter rubbish.

Notice how Labour give to the sponges and how Gordon Brown has allowed the rich to get away with not paying taxes over the past 10 years?

Tories = Work hard, you'll get your money and house.

Labour = Tax everyone stupidly, let rich get away with it and give lazy morons benefits.

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Would be interesting to hear your definition of sponges. Would toffs born with silver spoons in their mouths, inheriting family businesses without having to do a single day's work be considered sponges?

Tories = You're rich? Have some more money! **** anyone who actually has to pull their finger out for a wage. Oh, and while we're at it, pretend that the working class is full of benefit scammers, when in fact there's only a small percentage that abuses the system.

Labour = Higher taxes to ultimately improve the conditions of public services for the WHOLE of society. Help out those who have disabilities and as a result are unable to work, as well as those who face financial difficulties due to varying circumstances.

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Originally Posted by Spectate

Would be interesting to hear your definition of sponges. Would toffs born with silver spoons in their mouths, inheriting family businesses without having to do a single day's work be considered sponges?

Tories = You're rich? Have some more money! **** anyone who actually has to pull their finger out for a wage. Oh, and while we're at it, pretend that the working class is full of benefit scammers, when in fact there's only a small percentage that abuses the system.

Labour = Higher taxes to ultimately improve the conditions of public services for the WHOLE of society. Help out those who have disabilities and as a result are unable to work, as well as those who face financial difficulties due to varying circumstances.

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So you think old people sitting in their own waste is help?, Labour have left them with no care at all, all of these broken promises from Labour..

The people who inherit family busineses - so what? their parents have worked all their lives running the business and they want their sons and daughters to have a good life like them. so your saying if your mum and dad left you Vodafone, you'd give it up for free so you can do 'hard work' and struggle to get on the housing market?

Also you say improve the whole of society, but why should we help people who spend all their money on drugs and refuse to work?

Who said the whole working class are full of benefit scammers? I'd like a name who said that please. You are very confused with myths and lies over the Tory Party.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

So you think old people sitting in their own waste is help?, Labour have left them with no care at all, all of these broken promises from Labour..

The people who inherit family busineses - so what? their parents have worked all their lives running the business and they want their sons and daughters to have a good life like them. so your saying if your mum and dad left you Vodafone, you'd give it up for free so you can do 'hard work' and struggle to get on the housing market?

Also you say improve the whole of society, but why should we help people who spend all their money on drugs and refuse to work?

Who said the whole working class are full of benefit scammers? I'd like a name who said that please. You are very confused with myths and lies over the Tory Party.

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I was more referring to people who inherit businesses and sell them off without contributing, or those who inherit huge amounts of money. I just considered it ironic that these people wouldn't be considered sponges.

I think you'll find that there's only a small percentage of people on benefits who "spend all their money on drugs and refuse to work". You can jump right to that stereotype, but you'll find that the majority of people receive benefits due to varying unavoidable circumstances.

By mentioning people who accuse the working class of being benefit scammers, I was more referring to those who seem to think that exposing a few "sponges" is just cause for cutting benefits. There will always be people who cheat the system, but you can't deny others necessary resources simply because of it.

Maybe I was a little harsh with my summary of tories' views, but I was trying to show how they often abuse stereotypes to encourage an increase in wealth for the rich.

ill go with the people who want to cut down on imergrants and close the borders.

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Channel 4 - There is at least one immigrant per class in the UK.

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I don't mind imigrants etc. But it takes the fun out of going on holiday etc when you see all the people coming to britain. And in AU its alot harder to get in, you have to have a specific thing. Unlike britain.

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Originally Posted by Spectate

I was more referring to people who inherit businesses and sell them off without contributing, or those who inherit huge amounts of money. I just considered it ironic that these people wouldn't be considered sponges.

I think you'll find that there's only a small percentage of people on benefits who "spend all their money on drugs and refuse to work". You can jump right to that stereotype, but you'll find that the majority of people receive benefits due to varying unavoidable circumstances.

By mentioning people who accuse the working class of being benefit scammers, I was more referring to those who seem to think that exposing a few "sponges" is just cause for cutting benefits. There will always be people who cheat the system, but you can't deny others necessary resources simply because of it.

Maybe I was a little harsh with my summary of tories' views, but I was trying to show how they often abuse stereotypes to encourage an increase in wealth for the rich.

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They are not sponges as they are not sponging from the state (taxpayer)

The reason why many politicans like Michael Howard were campaigning to tackle immigration and benefit meltdown is because the public want to sort it out. Do you not wonder why Immigration is one of the most important issues to the voter? You think everyone is fine and happy with Labours stupidly uncontrolled immigration policy?

I have no problem with the benefit system, what I do have a problem with is that we let people in the country who come here not to work, but to live off us like leeches.

I would introduce this.

• If you are able bodied/minded and do not get work after 6 months, your benefits will be terminated and you will be deported.
• You must be over the age of 45 and have a job which we need.
• You must speak very good english.
• You must take a test before coming in the country.
• If you commit a crime at all, you will be deported and banned from Britain.

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Originally Posted by Zuar

ill go with the people who want to cut down on imergrants and close the borders.



I don't mind imigrants etc. But it takes the fun out of going on holiday etc when you see all the people coming to britain. And in AU its alot harder to get in, you have to have a specific thing. Unlike britain.

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We just let everyone in, no matter who they are even if they are criminals.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

They are not sponges as they are not sponging from the state (taxpayer)

The reason why many politicans like Michael Howard were campaigning to tackle immigration and benefit meltdown is because the public want to sort it out. Do you not wonder why Immigration is one of the most important issues to the voter? You think everyone is fine and happy with Labours stupidly uncontrolled immigration policy?

I have no problem with the benefit system, what I do have a problem with is that we let people in the country who come here not to work, but to live off us like leeches.

I would introduce this.

• If you are able bodied/minded and do not get work after 6 months, your benefits will be terminated and you will be deported.
• You must be over the age of 45 and have a job which we need.
• You must speak very good english.
• You must take a test before coming in the country.
• If you commit a crime at all, you will be deported and banned from Britain.

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We just let everyone in, no matter who they are even if they are criminals.

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"The reason why many politicans like Michael Howard were campaigning to tackle immigration and benefit meltdown is because the public want to sort it out."
Well then why didn't he win the 2005 general election?

If you set the age bar at 45 then a great deal of foreign manual labourers (a large percentage of immigrants) will be unable to work here. Who will then do all the jobs that the British don't want (cleaning, for example)?

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Originally Posted by Spectate

"The reason why many politicans like Michael Howard were campaigning to tackle immigration and benefit meltdown is because the public want to sort it out."
Well then why didn't he win the 2005 general election?

If you set the age bar at 45 then a great deal of foreign manual labourers (a large percentage of immigrants) will be unable to work here. Who will then do all the jobs that the British don't want (cleaning, for example)?

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He didn't win the 2005 General Election because of the voting system, he actually got more votes than Blair but the way it works here made it so Labour continued to stay in power. It's also a shame people vote on looks rather than policy sometimes.

When I say 45, I mean if your over 45 you can't come in just incase you think it's other way around.

Most of the poles are young people so we'd still have them all coming in.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

He didn't win the 2005 General Election because of the voting system, he actually got more votes than Blair but the way it works here made it so Labour continued to stay in power. It's also a shame people vote on looks rather than policy sometimes.

When I say 45, I mean if your over 45 you can't come in just incase you think it's other way around.

Most of the poles are young people so we'd still have them all coming in.

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Ahh right. Yeah you said over earlier. I take back that comment then. :P However, there are a fair few foreign doctors who are over the age of 45. They do a lot of good.

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Originally Posted by Spectate

Ahh right. Yeah you said over earlier. I take back that comment then. :P However, there are a fair few foreign doctors who are over the age of 45. They do a lot of good.

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Fair point, I think i'd allow higher jobs to have a higher age limit.

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Originally Posted by Spectate

Would be interesting to hear your definition of sponges. Would toffs born with silver spoons in their mouths, inheriting family businesses without having to do a single day's work be considered sponges?

Tories = You're rich? Have some more money! **** anyone who actually has to pull their finger out for a wage. Oh, and while we're at it, pretend that the working class is full of benefit scammers, when in fact there's only a small percentage that abuses the system.

Labour = Higher taxes to ultimately improve the conditions of public services for the WHOLE of society. Help out those who have disabilities and as a result are unable to work, as well as those who face financial difficulties due to varying circumstances.

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I agree ^^

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Yeah great of conservative to get rid of inheritance tax! Even though it won't affect the majority of us, only the rich people inheriting there 1 million pound houses.

You wont get me voting for conservative, labour are doing fine.

I think labour are doing a good job all things considering, and i think brown is doing a pretty nice job.. sure labour has it's flaws and i don't really agree with the iraq war, especially since news has been leaked saddam said he'd leave the country for a fee.. but alas.

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Originally Posted by JackHb

I agree ^^

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Yeah great of conservative to get rid of inheritance tax! Even though it won't affect the majority of us, only the rich people inheriting there 1 million pound houses.

You wont get me voting for conservative, labour are doing fine.

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At the moment under Labour, Inheritance Tax only hits those who possess £300,000 or more, 40% is taken away.

I think what the Tories are proposing isn't good enough, there should be NO inheritance tax what so ever.

It's your money not the state's.

Inheritance tax is absolutely disgusting in my opinion.

You work all your life, you save money up for your kids, then you eventually die, you hope your kids will enjoy the money but wait? You have to pay a tax.. for ..

erm..

one minute.. just thinking

erm..

i've got nothing.

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Originally Posted by Ezzie.

Inheritance tax is absolutely disgusting in my opinion.

You work all your life, you save money up for your kids, then you eventually die, you hope your kids will enjoy the money but wait? You have to pay a tax.. for ..

erm..

one minute.. just thinking

erm..

i've got nothing.

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Yup, I agree. I think it should be scrapped whichever party is in Government personally.