Who was a better hacker/scripter?
i think sonicmouse
oops, forget to add poll, it's too late now init
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Who was a better hacker/scripter?
i think sonicmouse
oops, forget to add poll, it's too late now init
What did Sonicmouse do?
Sonicmouse was the FIRST scipter in the hotel
No I'm pretty sure he wasn't, I think he just made most of the classic scripting stuff I though. I know he did roomkicks and furni in walls, and I think he did mutants as well, which means he probably did multi-coloured stickies too.Quote:
Originally Posted by LouisCollins
SM gained infamy from creating mutants, that's all.
As for this Finch guy, he hardly did anything... He fooled an incompetent staff member and then exploited the account doing various things.
In terms of Habbo scripters of whatever, it was probably 13/Jephyrr who started all the cool stuff.
They both did different things, so there's no competition.
Scripting and hacking are two completely different things and as for who's caused the most havoc I would have to say Finch-HIMself, I don't think SonicMouse ever went to the extent where Habbo had to actually close down for maintenance and gave out over 80 million Habbo coins, etc
Finch hasn't only hacked one staff member and he uses various methods to get them..... and just think if Finch-HIMself was hacking when SonicMouse was about when they were a lot less secure.
Sonicmouse is one of the most famous scripters of all time due to being one of the first scripters on the hotel who learnt to exploit the hotel in many different ways.
As for finch, he uses fake login/phisers to trick Habbo staff and is an expert in VB exploits but there is no proof he knows anything about programming which what scripting basically is.
even before hacking staff members Finch had hacked several other "famous" habbo's until he was banned and then he began hacking the staff members lmao
I wasnt around when Sonicmouse done scripting and rubbish.
So i'll go with Finch
Yes and he used fake logins to do that....Quote:
Originally Posted by Sorosy
There's only an hype about finch as he's being doing it recently and well he has some talents but there have been several other hackers who have gotten into Housekeeping and other tools such as voirnt who got acess to it in 05 , or James who got into in 05 and 06 aswell.
There were two habbos who went by name off 'Pure & Milan' who got onto the Habbo SG homepage and edited it below:
back in 04 and 05 Sulake was a lot less secure and didn't require SSL certs to access the login page for the housekeeping tooQuote:
Originally Posted by --ss--
Never heard of Sonicmouse.
It also ain't a competition...
Finch wins hands down :)
Sonicmouse wins hands down...
What did Finch do? Hack into a staff's account? Well, it's happened before and he hasn't found anything new/discovered anything.
Meh.
What exactly did SonicMouse discover and who do you know that's hacked a staff account on Habbo since they've upgraded and added extra security to their systems? Finch-HIMself has hacked eight or more moderators and two administrators along with several famous Habbo's and had caused Habbo to even CLOSE THEIR HOTEL DOWN for maintenance...Quote:
Originally Posted by Kardan
I don't know what this debate is about but if it's about who's caused more havoc, Finch wins.
Finch as e has hacked mre den 5+ mods and some "famous" rofl habbos
Umm, Finch couldn't have done half the things he did if it wasn't for Sonicmouse?
SonicMouse wins easily. He showed off so many possible scripts at the time that people had no idea about. Also think of the fear factor he created, in his time people locked their rooms
(literally almost every habbo) so as not to have him "steal their furni" which he couldn't actaully do, but then again, why would people think that...
;)
both are over rated
sonicmouse used art money
finch used fake login
both easy to get / use
Didn't Finch just basically log some idiot staff member with low security? Sonic created programs like Habbit (first "unbanning" program) and was a decent guy who did stuff for fun rather than to gain a name. I might have a bias on my opinion due to being an oldie and not going on much these days, but I don't see Finch as an innovator at all.
SonicMouse did alot more than Finch. Finch only tricked someone, SonicMouse actually created stuff and found exploits.,
Lol, take it your somewhat of a noob then. Back then we didnt have any knowledge of the encryption algorithm so you NEEDED the program you named to edit headers to send packets. So clearly you overate yourself and your "knowledge" of the subject.Quote:
Originally Posted by United.Road
He's tricked many people.Quote:
Originally Posted by GommeInc
Also; Finch doesn't just use a fake login. He uses email spoofing, etc. and then finally gets the passwords
Yeah so he basically just tricks idiots
yeh i created all the packets and sonicmouse went around saying that he made themQuote:
Originally Posted by LoveToStack
SonicMouse. Enough said.
He owns Finch hands down, it takes alot more knowledge to create new scripting programs and expliot Habbo to its limit than it does to use a few fake logins and send a few fake emails to hack someone.
Ty for confirming my thoughts that you're an idiot. I'd love to see how you "create" your very own packets and inject them without artmoney and without encryption.Quote:
Originally Posted by United.Road
Idiot.
Packets are things HABBO provide, not for you to make for yourself. Scripting is about injecting and manipulating packets that already exist. :rolleyes:
Sonic had a much easier job back then as the packets were a lot more simpler back then, which means they were easier to understand. Habbo also had less security measures, which means it was easier to get into panels and manipulate packets as back then the server didn't always check if a packet was allowed if you get me.
So overall, Sonic IS better than Finch; but in today's world, they both are very over-rated.
Yeah, he made that flooding programme aswell.Quote:
Originally Posted by FlyingJesus
I remember when SonicMouse put a hole in someone's floor :o. And im sure when SonicMouse hacked habbo on halloween he came on Bec's account. That's what i was told. And also someone told me that habbo called the police on SonicMouse.
no he didnt make a flooding program loolQuote:
Originally Posted by Gangster
u could flood in those days with control c & v:$
Yes he did, can't remember the name, the icon though was a duckQuote:
Originally Posted by United.Road
no u could flood with ctrl c & v so it would be pointless at that timeQuote:
Originally Posted by Gangster
It may have been pointless but he still made it, and i found a screenieQuote:
Originally Posted by United.Road
http://shukmtek2.webcindario.com/macrotool.png
Ummm, for those of you saying that Finch got lucky, you're an idiot. You don't get "lucky" when you've hacked eight or more staff members. He's good at what he does and regardless of the method he used, it's still hacking. Finch has also released a lot of vBulletin exploits and created programs, scripts, etc for a lot of other things not just Habbo and he releases them on his forum to the VIP section.
SonicMouse is good at scripting but at the end of the day, they are both really over rated and you've got nobody to blame but Habbo. They're making people talk about Finch more when they add him to the bobba filter etc, but I guess they don't see that - lol.
They're both good at what they do nonetheless.
He didn't make the Hobba Tool.Quote:
Yes he did, can't remember the name, the icon though was a duck
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Jephyrr is better than either of them. MOD-s these days are stupid.
@United.Roads' comments.
I highly doubt you know anything about scripting/hacking.
And SonicMouse exploited stuff so that other users could advance on to them. Enough said.
Yeah.. Hobba tool was, as the name says, a tool that was used by Hobbas years ago. It was leaked somehow, and that's how everyone managed to get ahold of it. It still works on all the hotels, but now that they have the flood control, it's somewhat pointless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Invent
.. As for the sonicmouse vs finch debate, I'd have to agree with whoever said that we can't compare them as they did different things. Sonicmouse was a scripter, and Finch was a hacker. I personally have more respect for Sonicmouse because he went after how it worked, as opposed to Finch, who just went after the accounts. Although I'll respect finch for the time and patience he probably put into getting ahold of the accounts, I think sonicmouse accords more respect because he actually had to be skillful with the packets, etc. And we can't judge him by the standards of today - even though some of the things he did then could now be considered "easy", it's only easy now because what he figured out became common knowledge - and you still had to hand it to him for being creative enough/intelligent enough to figure it out then. Even if it was less secure then, it's still no easy feat to find ways to script, especially as they went patching up anything that got leaked. So in my mind, sonicmouse is the better of the two. Especially considering the fact that when it really comes down to it, finch is just a hacker, and I dislike hackers. (Although I did find what Finch did to the staff accounts amusing!)