Global Warming - climate change and all that bullop.

Is it just me or does anyone think this whole climate change is just a load of garbage, the past 2 -3 years britain has been trying to cut back on red energy and pollution has anyone noticed any real changes?
the ice caps are not melting any faster than they were 20 years ago, and polar bears arent dying out..
i dont understand the big fascination about trying to cut back,
the past year my family have cut back on electricity,gas and water etc, even stopped using the car as much in a effort to help the environment and this year the bills have been teh highest when weve used less.. the whole systems screwed up and its about time britain got its ideas up.

i agree!!!

It's to prevent it happening.

haah yeah "save money and energy by turning your washing machine to 30" - bullcrap, the bills will be higher anyway

Global warming is real and it is happening.

And so is global cooling.

ignorance is funny sometimes

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Originally Posted by Biohazard

Global warming is real and it is happening.

And so is global cooling.

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they'll cancel eachother out then wont they.

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Originally Posted by hoosiers

they'll cancel eachother out then wont they.

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No, the world isn't one country.

I bet it's lovely living in your own world.
Abliss from all the problems that, we will face.

Thank goodness not everyone is like you, as people would let it continue happening and wouldn't care.

It's just the earth continuing to come out of it's ice age period.

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Originally Posted by Biohazard

Global warming is real and it is happening.

And so is global cooling.

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quote from another website which saves me time typing it out.

"People only believe in global warming because the news and big, fat Al Gore say it's real! They haven't seen the other TRUE side of the story! The media doesn't show you the facts AGAINST global warming.

I know it's only a way for the media to make money. Temperatures have only been increasing by a TINY fracture each year! I mean one millionth of a degree! You don't see the temperatures globally! They show you the temperatures of the US. The US is not the only country in the world!

Also, the air is cleaner then it was in the 1980's! So why are we complaining about bad air? In the 1970's, everyone thought there was going to be in ice age. Is there one? NO!

People are always trying to come up with ways to scare us. Ozone is a greenhouse gas, it traps heat that would otherwise radiate into space. If the ozone layer is DECREASING, then why do people say the temperature is rising? Ozone traps heat! If there's less of it, there's less heat being trapped!

Al Gore is only a big, fat hypocrite who found an unique way to gain popualrity! In 20 years you'll all see, global warming is a huge lie!"



"Carbon dioxide is a weak IR absorber, 380 ppm in air. Water is a powerful IR absorber, 30,000 ppm in air. Where are the hysterics about humidity?

We have just come through some of the most active sunspot years on record. (Tough on ***-tronaughts' eyeballs - causes radiation cataracts) The solar constant is larger given lots of sunspots (surrounding areas called faculae glow brighter). Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn are showing minor temp rises. It looks like years of peak sunspot activity may be followed by years of attenuated activity, like in the 1950s and 60s. Go back and look - an impending ice age was Officially upon us."

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Originally Posted by Mr.Sam

It's just the earth continuing to come out of it's ice age period.



quote from another website which saves me time typing it out.

"People only believe in global warming because the news and big, fat Al Gore say it's real! They haven't seen the other TRUE side of the story! The media doesn't show you the facts AGAINST global warming.

I know it's only a way for the media to make money. Temperatures have only been increasing by a TINY fracture each year! I mean one millionth of a degree! You don't see the temperatures globally! They show you the temperatures of the US. The US is not the only country in the world!

Also, the air is cleaner then it was in the 1980's! So why are we complaining about bad air? In the 1970's, everyone thought there was going to be in ice age. Is there one? NO!

People are always trying to come up with ways to scare us. Ozone is a greenhouse gas, it traps heat that would otherwise radiate into space. If the ozone layer is DECREASING, then why do people say the temperature is rising? Ozone traps heat! If there's less of it, there's less heat being trapped!

Al Gore is only a big, fat hypocrite who found an unique way to gain popualrity! In 20 years you'll all see, global warming is a huge lie!"



"Carbon dioxide is a weak IR absorber, 380 ppm in air. Water is a powerful IR absorber, 30,000 ppm in air. Where are the hysterics about humidity?

We have just come through some of the most active sunspot years on record. (Tough on ***-tronaughts' eyeballs - causes radiation cataracts) The solar constant is larger given lots of sunspots (surrounding areas called faculae glow brighter). Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn are showing minor temp rises. It looks like years of peak sunspot activity may be followed by years of attenuated activity, like in the 1950s and 60s. Go back and look - an impending ice age was Officially upon us."

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Wouldn't we all love it if this was true.
I'd say scientists have a better knowledge about this than people who own websites.
I can tell you, what you read on websites is not true.
Alot less than believing everything you see on TV.

The amount of Carbon Dioxide let into the atmosphere is 10s of times more than it used to be, and we can correlate the amount of Carbon dioxide into the atmosphere with the temperature of the earth.

What comes out of your car? 800 million people own cars and drive them.
The fumes which are released are harmfull to the planet.
Weere there 800 million cars 100 years ago?
No. Were there 800 million cars 20 years ago? Probably not.

We can actually see direct evidence that the ice caps have melted far more than they have during recorded history.

I'm actually worried that there are so many people like you out there.

There are so many things wrong scientifically with that quote Sam....

Ozone depletion is completely different to global warming.

Ozone traps radiation not heat. It prevents harmful UV radiation from reaching the earth.

Air is not better than it was in the 1980's


Biohazard is right... global warming is real and so is ozone depletion.

Edit: I agree completely with Scarcely aswell.

Yeah, the quote was from a scientist forum.. :)

I'm worried about people like you who take influence and follow everything the media says.

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Originally Posted by Scarcely

Wouldn't we all love it if this was true.
I'd say scientists have a better knowledge about this than people who own websites.
I can tell you, what you read on websites is not true.
Alot less than believing everything you see on TV.

The amount of Carbon Dioxide let into the atmosphere is 10s of times more than it used to be, and we can correlate the amount of Carbon dioxide into the atmosphere with the temperature of the earth.

What comes out of your car? 800 million people own cars and drive them.
The fumes which are released are harmfull to the planet.
Weere there 800 million cars 100 years ago?
No. Were there 800 million cars 20 years ago? Probably not.

We can actually see direct evidence that the ice caps have melted far more than they have during recorded history.

I'm actually worried that there are so many people like you out there.

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Originally Posted by Mr.Sam

Yeah, the quote was from a scientist forum.. :)

I'm worried about people like you who take influence and follow everything the media says.

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A scientist forum to which anyone can post on? Not very accurate source there.

Global warming is a scientific fact. Unless you can find me evidence that disproves it that does not come from some random forum on the internet then I will look at that point of view.

PM me a link?

I'm doubting this is a reputable scientists website?
Because they're wrong. They're trying to cover it up.

Why would scientists lie?
And if this was all a lie, and an over-hyped story to make money for "the Sun" then why drag it out so long, and manage to influence teachers, governments, school lessons...

I don't understand, but you obviously do.
Explain?

Edit: This forum could be just like this one. Someone who is not a real scientist talking rubbish.

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Originally Posted by Scarcely

PM me a link?

I'm doubting this is a reputable scientists website?
Because they're wrong. They're trying to cover it up.

Why would scientists lie?
And if this was all a lie, and an over-hyped story to make money for "the Sun" then why drag it out so long, and manage to influence teachers, governments, school lessons...

I don't understand, but you obviously do.
Explain?

Edit: This forum could be just like this one. Someone who is not a real scientist talking rubbish.

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Global Warming is real, however it's part of the earth's natural process. Carbon dioxide levels maybe contributing a small amount to it but it's not making a huge amount of difference. What you are forgetting is that global warming is a theory and is not a proven fact, just because something is plastered all over the media and is written in books does not nessesarely make it true. Global warming hasn't yet been proven and therefore is still a long drawn out scientific theory, like many other things.

It may happen. But yet again it maybe not!

Nah, i dont know.

i agree with elw00d even if we do stop using as much so far what has it done to help us its rubbish

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Originally Posted by mat64

What you are forgetting is that global warming is a theory and is not a proven fact, just because something is plastered all over the media and is written in books does not nessesarely make it true.

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I assume you mean "global warming caused by man" is theory? The only reason it's theory is because people have contradicted it.

Does anyone here not think that the globe is warming?

Global warming is NOT a theory. It is a proven fact that this is what happens when greenhouse gasses pollute the stratosphere.

The string theory is a theory. The big bang theory is a great TV show, and also a theory.

Global warming is not a global warming theory. It is proven. The end.

http://hypography.com/forums/environ...ming-fake.html

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Originally Posted by Mr.Sam

http://hypography.com/forums/environ...ming-fake.html

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Anyone can sign up to that and post. It is not a scientist-only forum, merely a place for people to discuss science.

People should learn not to beleive every conspiracy theory they hear because they understand little about the subject.

Sam, you can't support something that says not to believe things in the media, when it's coming from a forum that anyone can sign up to. It's a hypocritical contradiction of sources.

You could say that for 95% of the internet.

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Originally Posted by Roboevil

Sam, you can't support something that says not to believe things in the media, when it's coming from a forum that anyone can sign up to. It's a hypocritical contradiction of sources.

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Originally Posted by Roboevil

I assume you mean "global warming caused by man" is theory? The only reason it's theory is because people have contradicted it.

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Yes that's correct, as I said that global warming is a natural process and is not greatly influenced by man if at all.

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Originally Posted by Supersam

Global warming is NOT a theory. It is a proven fact that this is what happens when greenhouse gasses pollute the stratosphere.

The string theory is a theory. The big bang theory is a great TV show, and also a theory.

Global warming is not a global warming theory. It is proven. The end.

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I have seen no such proof. Proof does not count for "I saw it on the news" "My teacher said so" "I read it in a book".

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Originally Posted by Mr.Sam

You could say that for 95% of the internet.

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Well what the hell? That's not even in context and you're contradicting yourself.

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Originally Posted by mat64

Yes that's correct, as I said that global warming is a natural process and is not greatly influenced by man if at all.
I have seen no such proof. Proof does not count for "I saw it on the news" "My teacher said so" "I read it in a book".

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Agreed, the only "facts" you can get is from biased propaganda.

Although, I'm sure Mr Gore, a politician, master of spin and influencing people's opinions, is right and not giving a(n) one sided arguement.

A theory is based on empirical evidence. Gravity is a theory.

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Originally Posted by Scarcely

We can actually see direct evidence that the ice caps have melted far more than they have during recorded history.

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Ice has a melting curve. It starts melting slowly then speeds up, seen as we are just coming out of an ice age, we still have the poles. After the last ice age, the poles melted and things start again. It's all a big cycle. However, I do believe pumping CO2 into the atmosphere cant possibly help.

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Originally Posted by Scarcely

And if this was all a lie, and an over-hyped story to make money for "the Sun" then why drag it out so long, and manage to influence teachers, governments, school lessons...

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The media is immensely influental. 1 scientist tells a news paper a theory, other scientists agree, soon the tabloids print stories like "WORLD TO END IN 2020" and all hell breaks loose. There are protests to get the government to act on a wack-job theory and so as to not lose votes, they build a defence system for a comet that misses by many-a-mile. Point is, that just shows how the media can affect EVERYTHING in your life.

The problem is in Siberia there is a alot of methane gas trapped under the ice and in permafrost, methane is alot more reactive than CO2 and the situation is if the methane is released into the air due to current global warmth it could cause a chain reaction
evidence of methane:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Q7cu6Ip4MDs

I would say it would be a better idea if you watch the various documentaries especially an inconvienient truth just so you have a better idea of whats going on first. Some of the graphs in the documentary where astonishing. Also mabe the climate is changing, 40 years or more ago the river Thames used to freeze every single winter. I don't think it's frozen once since then. And also how would you explain the flooding and extremely heavy rain bang in the middle of last summer? It's a question which we so far can only answer with our opinions. It's pretty darn obvious what mine is though.

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Originally Posted by Stutoman

I would say it would be a better idea if you watch the various documentaries especially an inconvienient truth just so you have a better idea of whats going on first. Some of the graphs in the documentary where astonishing. Also mabe the climate is changing, 40 years or more ago the river Thames used to freeze every single winter. I don't think it's frozen once since then. And also how would you explain the flooding and extremely heavy rain bang in the middle of last summer? It's a question which we so far can only answer with our opinions. It's pretty darn obvious what mine is though.

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I have watched "an Inconvienient Truth" and it has been criticised by actual scientists, the people who know science not politicians, for being innaccurate.

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Originally Posted by Browney

I have watched "an Inconvienient Truth" and it has been criticised by actual scientists, not politicians, for being innaccurate.

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Even the scientists that are totally sure cannot be proved to be right. We all have different theorys but there is no way to tell which one is right.

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Originally Posted by Stutoman

Even the scientists that are totally sure cannot be proved to be right. We all have different theorys but there is no way to tell which one is right.

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Umm, im quite sure experiments can back up a scientists theory.

I don't believe it all anyway. Back in the 70s it got nice and hot, so what, some countries got a little hot for a year? :/

*cough*GOVERNMENT PROPAGANDA*cough*

Global warming is not the problem.
I'll tell you what we have to worry about.

The earths core. The thing that turns it is losing energy every year, and if it gets to slow or stops, the world will topple over. Britain could be the new north pole, or please god, Iraq, meaning Bushs nasty war for oil was all for nothing.

Of course, it doesn't really matter, because when this happens the oceans will wash over the land, killing every living thing that can't breath underwater.

Does anybody here even realise we're still in an ice age?

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Originally Posted by Jewish Bear

Does anybody here even realise we're still in an ice age?

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Uh... maybe if you live on Pluto.

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Sam, you can't support something that says not to believe things in the media, when it's coming from a forum that anyone can sign up to. It's a hypocritical contradiction of sources.

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I dont understand what you mean.
Im not taking any of what I said from a source taken off the interenet.

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Originally Posted by mat64

Yes that's correct, as I said that global warming is a natural process and is not greatly influenced by man if at all.
I have seen no such proof. Proof does not count for "I saw it on the news" "My teacher said so" "I read it in a book".

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No proof comes from actual scientific evidence that the greenhouse gases are effecting the climate. Which is what we have.

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Originally Posted by Roboevil

Uh... maybe if you live on Pluto.

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Nope, we're still in it. Geographers say that an ice age is a period of time where we have polar icecaps.