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The salloon house
The habbo background:
http://img1.cdn1.habbo.com/c_images/...l_far_west.gif
A alternation made by reinout--d a long time ago
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/1...zettingwj5.png
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Who ripped it?
You call that a rip? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by .red-bleu.
eeeeh??? The alt was made before the background was madeQuote:
Originally Posted by Rapidshare
They look nothing nothing a like?
We're looking at the identical saloon buildings.Quote:
Originally Posted by DJ-Dominator
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Originally Posted by PriceTags
ahhhh.
Still to be fair, habbo have copyright over the image sooo :D
He designed it way before habbo made background so they have no copyright since he designed from scratch.Quote:
Originally Posted by DJ-Dominator
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Originally Posted by Stalkk
Sorry.
I seem to be able to see habbo's on the picture.
If HABBO's are on the picture, HABBO have copyright over it.
only over the habbos.... he could have a seperate picture of the saloon on its own meaning they have no copywrite over itQuote:
Originally Posted by DJ-Dominator
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Originally Posted by Habtopia
Yes but if habbo took it from the alt, then they have copyright over the image.
Anyway if people are that bothered about it being 'ripped' then habbo could say the same arguement, and claim you 'ripped' the habbos.
Habbo are using it for profit though, unlike alt artists.Quote:
Originally Posted by DJ-Dominator
The background was not on sale ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by jackASS
Even though, if you make anything that looks like Habbo or you use stuff from Habbo on it, they own it...
there are similarities... but dont habbo have the rite to do this?
It isn't EXACTLY the same is it? There are quite a few differences and I like the official Habbo one better anyway. Even if they did 'rip' it, what's the alt artist going to do? Take them to court? :rolleyes:
well habbo definately ripped that saloon building!
the building is smaller
Yeah, are those donkey's from scratch or are they stickers/used before on habbo? Because those are also the same.
Is the guy/girl who made it still around? They could have at least asked to use their work, the saloon has no Habbo logo or anything Habbo related on it so unless the guy/girl submitted it to them or gave them permission to use it then they shouldn't be using it.
The Background might not be on sale but it is promoting/advertising something that will profit them (an event it might advertise which will end in people buying furni for the event or a product it might be selling), they don't own all of the images used and didn't create it all, it's as justified as the guy/girl who made the alt to go copyright the saloon and then using the whole alteration (with habbo's pics) to advertise w/e products he wishes to sell, because he owns copyright to the saloon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Laurensh1
About the "if you make anything that looks like Habbo or you use stuff from habbo on it, they own it" comment;
If a guy had a McDonald's "Ronald Mcdonald" character on his burger stand, that doesn't mean McDonald's then own the burger stand. The only right they have is to make him take the logo/character down from his stand and sue his ass for any profit he's made since using it.
How do you know habbo haven't contacted the person who made it and asked could they use it?
Really, habbo have ownership over it coz its habbo
What so if i wrote habbo on someone sulake would own them? :rolleyes:
Simply, that's something else... If you post it, add Habbo stuff in it, they own it.Quote:
Originally Posted by toxic
why bother?Quote:
Originally Posted by toxic
The alt has habbos on therefore the image is copyright to habbo.
END OF.
Just because you put 'END OF' in capitals doesn't mean it's the end of something or that your point is valid.Quote:
Originally Posted by DJ-Dominator
Something can not be copyrighted on the basis that it has something copyrighted on or with-in it.
On your basis; If i was to go take a picture of myself wearing an 'aero bar' costume.. (not that i have done.. :eusa_whis..) the picture of myself would then be copyright of nestle and they would then have complete permission to go use the picture of me in anyway they wish?.. No, of course they wouldn't.
They didn't own the picture of the saloon just because it had habbos around it, if that was the case then tons of companies would be chucking their logo on anything they wish.
I Think the only other person who realises the same point as me is Beamer185.
Anyway, it's not like the guy/girl will sue but if they didn't ask for permission i think it's a bit low of them (not that we have any evidence they didn't ask).
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Originally Posted by toxic
The picture has habbos on it, it makes no difference if habbo stole it.
If habbo want, they can demand that the creator removed the pictures of habbos.
Of course it makes a difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by DJ-Dominator
Yeah, i did previously state that habbo would be able to make the creator remove pictures of habbos, but that's about as much legal rights that they do have, they would only have further rights if the creator used the alteration for advertisement or profit, which would be in the rights of sue'ing the creator.
As long as there are habbos in it sulake own it.
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Originally Posted by Ajthedragon
Exactly.
Well can you show me where the creator put copyright on the image please?Quote:
Originally Posted by toxic
Oh wait they didnt.
Therefore sulake have the most copyright voer it.
I'm sure i've seen some other parts of that background before??
Either way Reinout's is better.
May i point out that they are not identical, as the building on the background is diffrent in size?
The designer made smaller version.
Just shows how much knowledge you have on the point you are trying to argue against.Quote:
Originally Posted by DJ-Dominator
Under Copyright prevention laws nothing needs to have "Copyrighted by blah blah [date] - [date]" on it to be Copyrighted or have to go through any legal procedure to be Copyrighted, the right to copy is to the person(s) who originally created it. People usually put "Copyrighted" to strengthen it but it is not legally needed.
That is different from a patent or a trademark btw, which i'm sure would need it.
They've changed the image, made it smaller, made different windows, therefore its not as rip.
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Originally Posted by Beamer185
no seen as a person isn't an alt....
No being funny but who cares? if anything be pleased that Habbo think your work is good enough to use.
You never know they might try to employ the origanaly.
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Originally Posted by Typoh
Exactly.
Look entirely different to me.
Since they have changed it alot, it is technically theirs. So you're saying if you made a habbo alt of a house, then habbo released a background with a house in, they have stolen your work?
REINOUT--D could have given them permissions to "use" his alt for all you know, and even if he didn't... They didn't give him permission to put habbos in his alt. They haven't told him to remove the habbos, and reinout hasnt asked them to remove their slightly similar building, therefore it does not matter.
Are similar..
but nothing...
I remember a while back, there was something like this about a horse or donkey or something that Roboevil made. (Lol at him being held at gun point in the image :P).
I've often wondered about that. What if you open up MS Paint, and start creating an image completely 100% from sctatch (i.e.: nothing is copied & pasted, you just draw), then you end up with what looks like a "Habbo Alteration".Quote:
Originally Posted by DJ-Dominator
Firstly, it wouldn't be an "alteration" as nothing's been alterted if you've just created something, but my main point is, who says what a "Habbo" is? I know I may sound stupid here, but techinically, there's the possibility that an image could be randomly drawn in MS Paint that resembles the image of a Habbo, but what's the techinical definition of a "Habbo"?
And also, if you made an "alteration" like the image in question but with no actual Habbo characters, (so just buildings etc), would Sulake still have the right to claim copyright over that?
I just think it would make an interesting debate :).
Nicely explained, +rep :).Quote:
Originally Posted by toxic
Well it wouldn't really be a debate, it would be a simple answer, no.Quote:
Originally Posted by Robald
If the created image has absolutely no reference to habbo, then Sulake have no rights over it at all, they don't own all pixel art.