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I want to hear from the people that are pro-EU, not those who want out.
I personally believe that we need the EU and immigration is a good thing, although we do need to smack down on it. We import many fruit, vegetables and food from Europe and our economy could potentially smash without the EU?
So let me hear your views on why you're pro-EU.
Wait.. You think immigration is a good thing? So you think that foreigners illegally sneaking into our country, Taking jobs, Benefits, Houses, NHS and more is a good thing?
No, I only think it's right if they come over to work and are legal.
example, French man who can speak English wants to come over and work, he can as long as he meets specifications.
Didn't countries trade with each other before the EU reared its ugly head? The UK would still trade with the likes of Holland, France etc. If it was the EU that made trading possible, explain cars from Japan, food from China/New Zealand and so on? So I think trade is out of the question.
Immagration is not a good thing.
Mate im out of work cos some polish noobs are off workin everywhere for pennys.
No wonder we have a recession.
And the local burger king near me ye, I dont understand one word of the stuff they come out with they are all foreign it takes the absolute mick.
You have a point, but without immigration, there'd be no people coming in or out of the country.
Yes they would, do you not believe in the tourist industry? Also, the idea is "No visa = no entry" and another party believes in a point system. I don't think you know what immigration is, no offence :)Quote:
Originally Posted by HabbaJabba
To be honest, I think that people with the ability to speak full english and have good qualifications should be able to pass immigration and come work in the UK. I hate all that "British for British jobs" lark.
But that's just me. I myself want to move out of the UK when I can. and yes the immigration in this country is rubbish so I can see why you don't want it.
Thats different. Yes there are some people like you mentioned, But there are far more illegal immigrants and legal. And there are around half a million poles in britain.Quote:
Originally Posted by HabbaJabba
And most of them come over here to get good qualifications, Then **** off back to thier own country! And it costs them nothing as like i said before, Nearly everything for them is free.
America is better but not ideal when it comes to immigration. Australia are the gods when it comes to immigration, they've got it spot on. I agree that people should be able to come to the UK if they have the right skills and speak English, these people are needed to fill the jobs which 'British People' can't for various reasons. British people should clearly get priority for jobs if they can do it as well. We don't need to be in the EU for all this and we can control immigration much better if we're not in the EU.Quote:
Originally Posted by HabbaJabba
What's so wrong with Europe then? I agree with your points, that British people should get priority, your right, but you shouldn't stop people from working here.
Indeed, it's not within our own interests to stop people from working here if there's job vacancies.Quote:
Originally Posted by HabbaJabba
The EU doesn't allow us to properly control our immigration, it's slowly becoming a superstate, it costs the UK £40m a day which has little returns and we're slowly signing a way our powers so the countries ran from Brussels rather than in the UK.
But in the EU we have better trade and a more stronger currency. I believe that we should switch to the Euro (and many of you Eurosceptics gasp at this)
No, the European Free trade association has better trade. The EU is just made up of a bunch of un-elected morons sat in brussels spewing ridiculous rules out of their arses
(got the name wrong, my bad)
and what's wrong with switching over to the Euro?
Less control over our own economy & nobody would want it
I found this video about why the EU is good.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFyywfHbj3M&fmt=18
Enjoy and comments :) It made me laugh.
1. Cheaper flights would've come about anyway
2. Consumer protection would've come about anyway
3. European Free trade association = single market
You're sounding very french you know... kissing the arses of the larger, more threatening power.
The only reason why we aren't switching to the Euro or want to get out of the EU is because of British pride. I'm not patriotic at all for the UK, just makes me seem like a pig. Also, it's only a matter of the general public thinking that 'we won't be british just because we use the euro'.
Oh, you sound like the labour party now
Do you have a more reasoned argument more than saying I sound like the Labour party lol.
This is shown how? - the only reason this country and the world has grown so much since the 1980's is because of Thatcherism which saw this economy go from near total collapse to being one of the most prosperous in the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by HabbaJabba
The Pound Sterling is much stronger than the Euro and a more respected currency around the world. The pound is also beyond damage from other countries as other nations do not have the pound sterling and therefore whatever economic problems occur with their currency, it won't affect us.
You seem very for the European Union, most likely because you've been brought up to believe it by a socialist family/background. If you like being governed by unelected left wing failures then you should move to North Korea instead of forcing the EU on the people of Europe.
As stated above, having the same currency means if a crash/disaster concerning that currency occurs, then we would be suffering as a result of poor economic management by the EU itself or a member state.Quote:
Originally Posted by HabbaJabba
The Dutch said NO.
The French said NO.
The Irish said NO.
How many times do the people of Europe need to say NO before the message sinks in?
Having the Euro would single handedly ruin this country. The pound is higher than the euro again :/ Plus, the pound is better looking than the euro, the euro is nasty and cheap (personal opinion ;))
why disregard the benefits which the EU have created for us. and I'm not forcing the EU onto the European people, im just having an opinion on why we should stay in the EU and switch to the Euro. Long term it's a good idea, although we can't control interest rates. Also, we would perhaps not have as many eastern european immigrants coming here to find work as the financial gains would not be so great, protecting UK jobs.
What benefits have the EU created for us? I don't like the idea of a union attempting to run x amount of countries taking on-board no individual needs for them, fishing in the UK for example was excellent, until the EU came along. I prefer individual nationalities, that use their own law and government systems. It's what makes different countries interesting. Of course it isn't that bad, but it's not good :/ Unlimited immigration is a bad idea, how has that benefited the country? How would having the Euro benefit the UK? We have no control over it, much like other countries. The cons out-weight the pros, really.
How is being governed by an unelected organisation a benefit?Quote:
Originally Posted by HabbaJabba
How is having over 75% of our laws made by the EU a benefit?
How is paying £40 million per day to the EU a benefit?
How is losing national sovereignty to the EU a benefit?
How is not having control over our borders a benefit?
How is not being able to overturn EU laws/regulations forced upon us a benefit?
How is having useless and costly regulations and laws forced onto this country from the EU a benefit?
How is having our fishing and agricultural industries decimated by the EU a benefit?
How is having to pay much higher prices than we should for food because of the EU a benefit?
How is having our farmers/producers fruit and vegtables being thrown away because the EU says they are 1mm or so out of shape a benefit?
How is having a centralised economy like state failures such as North Korea, People Republic of China under Chairman Mao and the former Soviet Union a benefit?
You are living a crazy eurocrat dream and the sooner you and our three main parties wake up from the sleepwalk into this awful, damaging, unelected and left wing organisation-soon-to-become-state, the better.
Do the EU currently control our borders?
That is all you have to say to all of that? - you don't really have a clue what your talking about do you. The EU do have control of our borders yes, with the EU free movement policy.Quote:
Originally Posted by HabbaJabba
K, I'm just wondering. I'm only expressing my opinions on what I think should happen, just like you. I'm not 100% into politics as you can tell but I'm still a human and I still have the right to say what I want.
Anyway, UKIP won't win. Most likely be Conservatives.
Meh, it's better than any of the other two major parties - Labour and Lib Dems. At least Conservatives are a happy medium between UKIP and them two :DQuote:
Originally Posted by HabbaJabba
That isn't true. there are foreigners at my college that pay THOUSANDS. It ain't free mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coheed&Cambria
i'm voting BNP
The only good thing about the EU (after doing some research :P) seems to be the single market, and that UK residents can freely move around the EU for jobs and travel. It's a shame that means unlimited immigration. Can't they remove the UK from the unlimited section, so that UK people can leave freely but others can't? It'll save so much hassle, we're clearly only in the EU to have France and Germany scoop up asylum seekers.
Unfortunately it can't just work one-way. And net immingration from the EU isn't as much as you'd think, it's the unsustainable imigration from non-EU countries that's the problem with immigration imho. The French pick up alot of immigrants and so do we, simply because there are alot of people in the world who speak French and English. The clear up the asylum seeker issue, we should agree to 'share out' the asylum seekers so that the new countries in the east can take some of the share. A common policy.Quote:
Originally Posted by GommeInc
That sounds more reasonable, rather than let them freely roam around Europe and settle where they please, which like you said, is France and Europe, they should be distributed around Europe, if not sent out of Europe. Though saying that, once they have "settled", who's to say they won't just go to wherever they desire freely anyway? :PQuote:
Originally Posted by alexxxxx
The French send them here, they all want to come here because a lot of them are criminals and can get away with whatever they wish here, and secondly they are given all they need here with our benefits system. It is a complete shambles and no one should be telling us how to run our immigration policy.
I think whoever gets elected for the General Elections should sort out the benefits system, by scrapping it and starting again, and keeping an eye on people who actually need it. Unregistered officials shouldn't be allowed it. As far as I see it, France don't stop people from coming here, UK workmen have to in Calais. I watched a program on it the other night :PQuote:
Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-
Where do they get the money from mate?Quote:
Originally Posted by alexxxxx
You are all going think I'm mad, but I'll proceed anyway. The goal of the European Union, North American Union, African Union and the Asian Union is control; to create a national super state, then move onto an international super state. Why does most of the worlds population that the unions are a good thing? Because we're told they are by our governments. People need to ******* wake up and see that the governments aren't there for our benefits, they're there to control us and our civil liberties.
I agree, that is the goal of the European Union and it isn't far-fetched, top EU officals themselves have declated that is what the ultimate aim. The moment this country becomes a mere region of a EU superstate with military and so on, I will be out of here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyle!