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Hey,
Sorry this should be my final question.
I now have Around £125 to get a decent graphics card for my pc. It would preferabl be £100 - £150 - no more.
Any links from eBuyer or dabs as a reccomendation? :)
Cheers!
Closed by Catzsy [Forum Super Moderator]: Thread closed as it wenr way off-topic from orginal question and to prevent further heated debate.
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/160748
This. It's massive mind you so check the dimensions of your case before you try to buy it, but its a bloody good card.
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Originally Posted by Pyroka
Funnily enough thats the one I saw!
(I didn't wan tto purchase as I like to check :P)
And thanks :)
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I would go with the one Ryan suggested I have the one down from that, the GTS 250 and it fits in my regular mid-tower case perfectly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dom C
Try and get the 216 core version instead of the 192.
Has the 216 core and is cheaper.
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...=56&subcat=927
EDIT: Infact look at the first few http://www.overclockers.co.uk/produc...ortby=priceAsc
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Originally Posted by Mr.Android
Its not cheaper by the way - £2 more expensive!1111 :P
Would 216 core be a better buy then?
Cheers guys.
Oh my god wow, I'd get that Asus one instead of the one I suggested, the cores are worth it for the extra 2 quid, you'll probably notice it. Deffo that one.
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Originally Posted by Pyroka
Also just noticed you get Terminator Salvation with it :o :o :o :o :o :o
:)
Probs gonna start ordering on Saturday!
EDIT: Because of going over my £900 I think I am going to downsize in PC screen :P
£937 is a lot afterall :)
I would highly recommend this graphics card
I can play crysis warhead on gamer settings and x4 AA on with a perfectly smooth fps
http://www.play.com/PC/PCs/4-/105003...d/Product.html
Its close to the price of the others but its a highly rated card with great performance!
Btw im running a 1650 x 1050 screen which would be just under or just over the resolution of a screen you would be getting.
Its a large card aswel so make sure your case can fit it in, also think about the psu cable lengths and where the psu houses in your case because it can give you alot of troubles if you get it wrong, I learnt the hard way lol.
edit: It also comes with brilliant software which can let you overclock it straight out the box without worrying about overheating as it shows you everything and will stop you before you begin to blow anything up :) Also I think you were looking at asus mb's which I really like aswel, the software you get with asus mb's really compliment this gfx card.
You can get a computer with a terabyte of memory and a decent graphics card for sixty three pounds more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dom C
do you mean a manufactured pc, because that would become redundant in a few years and there would be nothing he can do about itQuote:
Originally Posted by Psych.
Same with a custom built one :S Both pre-made and custom built PCs use similar sort of components, and the components go out of date quickly... And of course it would become redundant in a few years, why regret buying something in the present when it will be outdated "in a few years". May as well not buy anything for the fear of it becoming redundent!Quote:
Originally Posted by ElliottThompson
It's easier to upgrade custom built PCs IMO.
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Originally Posted by Psych.
Yeh but making your own does a number of things:
Just my opinion :)
- Makes you feel like it 'yours' a little bit more.
- Fun
- You still save £63 :P
- I don't want to hit the £1000 mark if possible.
- Quality of components is likely not to be so good with a already made one, as you are mainly paying for the brand (dell/sony/hp etc)
Can you repost your whole (dream) systems' specs and also the graphics card so I can see how it should run. Thanks.
Here we go :DQuote:
Originally Posted by TomSpit
1tb HardDrive - http://www.ebuyer.com/product/143288
8gb RAm - http://www.ebuyer.com/product/149202 x2
Quad Core Processor - http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...odid=GX-167-AS
LG Bluray Drive - http://www.ebuyer.com/product/139985
LG Normal Drive - http://www.ebuyer.com/product/149313
Asus Motherboard - http://www.ebuyer.com/product/167046
896mb Graphics Card - http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...odid=GX-167-AS
TV Card - http://www.ebuyer.com/product/100017
Keyboard + Mouse - http://www.ebuyer.com/product/128028
Case - Now out of stock :rolleyes:
PSU - http://www.ebuyer.com/product/135514
:)
The Intel "I" series is the way forward :P
The only one they have is i7 isn't it? (And thats around £200 alone) :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Mr.Android
i7, i5, i3 (well, soon anyway).
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Originally Posted by Mr.Android
I'll look into it in a month or so - atm there is only i7!
Your list is wrong, what CPU are you getting as it shows a graphics card?
the whole point of getting a custom pc is that it can be modified! When a component you have becomes outdated you can simply add to it or replace it with a newer one without the need of purchasing a whole new PC.Quote:
Originally Posted by GommeInc
Manufactured pc's from dell and the likes leave literally no space for upgrading, usually use a completely unknown form factor for the components and besides, in manufactured pc's you will be getting 8 gigs of ram when they say you are but the quality of the product you are getting you have no choice over, when picking 8 gigs of ram for a custom pc you can check the overclockability, if it has a heatsink and the quality and durability of a product instead of just seeing that it has 8 gigs of ram and being content.
Mobo and processor come together - http://www.ebuyer.com/product/167046Quote:
Originally Posted by TomSpit
Looks good but I would go for a better processor if i'm honest.
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Originally Posted by TomSpit
Reccomendations?
Only downside is I will have to buy motherboard seperate :D
...You can do this with one in the shop? My Advent PC from PC World has a Graphics Card I added myself, and there was plenty of room... You make it look as though NO pre-made computers can be upgraded, when infact most are/all can be :/Quote:
Originally Posted by ElliottThompson
I think you're going off the point, you said that a pre-made PC would become redundant, so would a custom built PC. Both can be upgraded, you're generalising that all pre-made PCs can't be upgraded because the manfacteurers leave no room for upgrades, even though all my PCs have been upgraded. In fact, RAM can be upgraded on most, if not, ALL pre-made PCs - it's very unlikely a computer company would cover up RAM slots considering they usually stick upwards (when placed on the side). Graphics cards are the only thing that maybe of some concern, because some can be incredibly long, though it's very unlikely that the case of a pre-made PC would be too small to fit it and most of the time the solution is moving some wires around...Quote:
Originally Posted by ElliottThompson
Anyway, I feel this conversation is getting in the way of Dom's thread. Sorry about that Dom :P
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Originally Posted by GommeInc
No worries :D
I probably need top make another thread anyway (annoying me too) as I have numerous questions to ask! (That having nothing to do with a graphics card (A bit like this thread haha :D))
You must have got lucky then because most manufacturers get cases that are large enough for the parts they have put in instead of what people could put in in the future and I wouldn't like to update a motherboard plus cpu in a manufactured pc, that would be hell.Quote:
Originally Posted by GommeInc
Oh an besides just opening up the case of a manufactured pc voids the warranty lol
I know it doesn't on Dell, HP, RM and Apple computers for a fact actually....Quote:
Originally Posted by ElliottThompson
I've only ever seen warranty stickers and the like on Acers :S Dell computers used to solder things down (or glue, both possibly) - they don't now though. Besides, why would you need warranty? Computers are horrifically easy to fix :P All the computers in this house have been easy to play around in :D Not directed at you Mr. Android ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.Android
You dont get a warranty at all on a custom build so whats your point? Go for the cheapest way to get the parts you need, be it putting em together yourself or buying em pre assembled o.0Quote:
Originally Posted by ElliottThompson
Cases are cheap anyway, if you gonna change a mobo, you may as well just buy a whole new pc and leave the old one, in its case as it is. Other than usb 3.0 etc cant think of much thats likely to change on mobos in the near future anyway o.0
sigh- every single piece of hardware you buy for your custom pc comes with its own warranty, which you can claim for without affecting the rest of your pc. Your on a rampage tonight!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mentor
Yes, indeed they can have warranties. Just because the components can have a warranty, it does not mean they do. I'm not the one claiming every pre-built pc comes with a non-standard size mobo, or that opening the case of em voids any warranty (which has been pointed out to be untrue, at least with the majority of standard manufactures)Quote:
Originally Posted by ElliottThompson
I am also pretty sure Dell stopped using non-standard motherboard layouts too, not 100% on that one though.
I have a few 3 year old dell,s mobos are standard in em and tbh, i dont ever remember seeing one in a dell that wasn't? old or new.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.Android
Oh sorry for using my personal knowledge of working at a computer sales store at which I spent time sticking those stickers on such PC's. Just looking at two dell pc's and an advent pc in my house they all have holographic stickers on them stating that if this seal is broken the warranty will be void.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mentor
And it's a legal requirement to offer a warranty with a product, whether it be an express warranty or an implied warranty companies cant just sell products "as is" unless were talking about market stalls lol.
Last point: Why do you constantly feel the need to shove words into my mouth, Manufactured pc's are more likely to use non standardised mobo sizes in pc's as they are looking to sell a pc as it is, not one that can be customised afterwards. Manufactured pc's are sold to a mainstream audience, my grandma recently bought a manufactured pc from dell, she will not even be thinking about upgrading her pc afterwards. Manufacturers know that they will also be dealing with these people and build accordingly, manufacturers who build parts know they won't have this problem.
http://www1.euro.dell.com/uk/en/home...=ukdhs1&~ck=mn
http://www1.euro.dell.com/uk/en/home...=ukdhs1&~ck=mn
http://www1.euro.dell.com/uk/en/home...=ukdhs1&~ck=mn
http://www1.euro.dell.com/uk/en/home...=ukdhs1&~ck=mn
I think its clear to see that companies like dell arn't always thinking on the lines of upgradable pc's.
In no way shape or form are those examples as best adapted to upgrading as a custom built pc that I have thought about and considered how future proof it is. Oh and besides, dell isnt even as kind as to show the mobo's form factor, great so I won't even know the mobo form factor untill I've bought it :L
And btw a big reason to want to upgrade your mobo is the cpu socket, as If i want an i7 chip that wont be possible without a new mobo :L
Actually they are a case standard, ever heard of "Low profile" for links 1 and 3? :|
And for 2 and 4 you picked the products targetted at people who aren't so computer savvy, in actual fact I should think number 4 is upgradable, possibly even number 2 to an extent.
I have NEVER Seen these holographic warranty stickers on, please do post pictures? "Your personal knowledge" is like me saying I know about air traffic control because I did two weeks work experiance in a control tower, just no.
Flisker upgraded his Dell from changing the case, to the RAM, to the PSU and GPU, just as an example.
I have just found Dell do indeed use ATX, mATX and BTX motherboards, all of which are standards.
Wow, thats odd, none of the dells or advents i own have these stickers. Maybe since my prebuilt computers came in the box's you did have a chance to stick your stickers on them...Quote:
Originally Posted by ElliottThompson
Generally the manufacture does the warrenty, not the seller, so why you in a sales job are attaching these stickers i dont know.
Actually, no. just no. Your talking out your ass here. A warranty is not required and is often sold as an extra. It is in addition to your normal statutory rights.Quote:
And it's a legal requirement to offer a warranty with a product, whether it be an express warranty or an implied warranty companies cant just sell products "as is" unless were talking about market stalls lol.
feel free to take a read: http://www.lawguarantee.com/consumer...ty-law-uk.html
Yea... atx aint the only mobo size, they all look standard to me. Pc's use standard components as they are cheaper, easier to work with and saves dell having to create a new manufacturing plant every time they wana do a new pc range.Quote:
Last point: Why do you constantly feel the need to shove words into my mouth, Manufactured pc's are more likely to use non standardised mobo sizes in pc's as they are looking to sell a pc as it is, not one that can be customised afterwards. Manufactured pc's are sold to a mainstream audience, my grandma recently bought a manufactured pc from dell, she will not even be thinking about upgrading her pc afterwards. Manufacturers know that they will also be dealing with these people and build accordingly, manufacturers who build parts know they won't have this problem.
http://www1.euro.dell.com/uk/en/home...=ukdhs1&~ck=mn
http://www1.euro.dell.com/uk/en/home...=ukdhs1&~ck=mn
http://www1.euro.dell.com/uk/en/home...=ukdhs1&~ck=mn
http://www1.euro.dell.com/uk/en/home...=ukdhs1&~ck=mn
I think its clear to see that companies like dell arn't always thinking on the lines of upgradable pc's.
In no way shape or form are those examples as best adapted to upgrading as a custom built pc that I have thought about and considered how future proof it is. Oh and besides, dell isnt even as kind as to show the mobo's form factor, great so I won't even know the mobo form factor untill I've bought it :L
And btw a big reason to want to upgrade your mobo is the cpu socket, as If i want an i7 chip that wont be possible without a new mobo :L
Seeing as a cpu generally covers at least a 3rd of a pc's total cost, and the mobo especially in i7's not far behind, if your gonna pretty much be buying a new pc, why not just buy a new one and have two instead of scraping a perfectly good mobo and cpu? By the time u upgrade em chances are any gfx card you have would be out of date anyway. Tech moves fast after all..
If you wana pick me up on things i get wrong, try targeting the bits im wrong on.
I clearly said that these companies are obviously not as adept at making product's that have upgradability in mind compared to actually buying the parts yourself, especially a company that had this as their flagship model at one point:
http://img.alibaba.com/photo/1056856...p_Computer.jpg
I think you guys may be getting a little sidetracked, I didn't say that they arn't I said that they are a little harder to upgrade as they are not aimed specifically at pc builders who are the people most likely to upgrade.
And here are some examples of those stickers:
http://img.alibaba.com/photo/1056856...p_Computer.jpg
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/8769/dsc00083yx1.jpg
http://www.case-badges.com/images/ta...fore-after.jpg
Oh and remind me never to make a point again as I will obviously be hounded by people desperate to prove me wrong and change the debate into something its clearly wasn't.
lol at the seal btw :>
"It’s important to remember that manufacturers’ guarantees are in addition to your statutory responsibilities as a supplier under the Sale of Goods Act. A supplier cannot, for instance, refuse to deal with a customer’s complaint about a faulty product simply on the grounds that the product is outside its guarantee period."
All that means is that guarantee's don't affect your statutory rights, It gives a clear example there, that show's in no way that its not a legal requirement. Meaning that after a guarantee has expired a company still has to see to the customers statutory rights, that does not mean that the guarantee is a non necessary addition.
I'm not going to continue with this, weve moved onto an argument over warranties, I won't be visiting this thread again.