The stupid sexual nature rule

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=593061

That thread got closed for it, admittedly it should be closed anyway but not for that reason. However, this rule is in place but never applied - for instance:

• http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=592999
• http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=592705
• http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=591016
• http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=587902

All threads of a sexual nature. Open and brimming with MATURE discussions. I think the rule should be abolished completely. Obviously if someone describes second by second their sexual encounters going into graphic detail, punish them and send them to Demented Hills Hospital but this rule is pathetic.

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I agree with you Adam. The threads that have remained open which are related to sex are discussed in a mature manner because anyone who was being immature would be ripped to shreds anyway, lol.

If someone started going into such detail then (super) moderators could just infraction them with the inappropriate post option rather than having a specific rule which doesn't really have to be there and is equivocal anyway.

The rule is meant to be used responsibly and people who dont use it properly do get punished for it and things go get removed.

Them threads you highlighted are being used maturely and its not as if sexual acts are being discussed. Them threads are just to get some information about the forum, Mentor is collecting information and making graphs from his findings and they all seem mature and to be following the rules.

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Originally Posted by Alkaz

The rule is meant to be used responsibly and people who dont use it properly do get punished for it and things go get removed.

Them threads you highlighted are being used maturely and its not as if sexual acts are being discussed. Them threads are just to get some information about the forum, Mentor is collecting information and making graphs from his findings and they all seem mature and to be following the rules.

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Wrong. There's a rule saying don't discuss sexual nature which these threads do.

See my point?

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Originally Posted by Immenseman

I agree with you Adam. The threads that have remained open which are related to sex are discussed in a mature manner because anyone who was being immature would be ripped to shreds anyway, lol.

If someone started going into such detail then (super) moderators could just infraction them with the inappropriate post option rather than having a specific rule which doesn't really have to be there and is equivocal anyway.

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Agreed - places with too many rules which could mean the same thing are frustrating.

*cough*Posting in a foreign language IS pointless*cough*Pointless posting rule

The spam forum is a walking talking sex talk thriving forum anyway, and most discussions are just a tad below the belt. But that thread you pointed out IS pointless, so technically the logic behind it is, that thread should have a mention about sex AND pointless posting :/

The spirit of rule seems to be applied consistently, if not the letter of the rule. The thread you linked to that was closed was clearly asking for details and specifics about the act which are blatantly going to get graphic, whereas the other threads you linked to are talking about the act itself rather than the intricate details.

I don't know if I'm making sense to anyone but myself but hey :P

that user should just be banned imo anyway lol.

I know what they'll come back with - "if we don't have this rule, people will start going into detail etc". But that's like saying we need a seperate rule for things like:

• Do not post your plans of genecide
• Do not plan a terrorist action
• etc

Silly rule.

Don't swear, don't abuse and don't be negative.

Only rules needed :D

Makes sense to me, but the first thread was closed mainly due to it being pointless really - like asking "Has anyone eaten a sasuage, what's it like?" Besides, he/she would of gotten ripped apart anyway, immature sex conversations are gnarly :P

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Originally Posted by adammm

Wrong. There's a rule saying don't discuss sexual nature which these threads do.

See my point?

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http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=587705
Mentor's aren't graphic at all, he asked questions which would be anonymous and didn't require a reply so anyone breaking the "do not discuss in detail blahblah" it's their own fault and not the thread starter. The first thread was asking to describe in details, breaking the rules and therefore closed rightfully.

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Originally Posted by GommeInc

Makes sense to me, but the first thread was closed mainly due to it being pointless really - like asking "Has anyone eaten a sasuage, what's it like?" Besides, he/she would of gotten ripped apart anyway, immature sex conversations are gnarly :P

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copying my point, -rep :D.

it's an unnecessary rule. if anyone is going to get down and dirty, like ryan often does there are other rules which cover the rule break. it's way too specific.

The "sexual nature" rule doesn't exist on it's own anymore.
There are specific rules regarding sex and they can be found here

It is not allowed to discuss sexual acts :), the other threads could be looked upon as in an advisory capacity.

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Sexual Content which is ALLOWED:

• Sexual Health issues & advice providing descriptions are not graphic and the content is not obscene & may disturb other users.
• Contraceptive issues & advice
• Age concerns/advice regarding entering sexual relationships
• Sexuality issues/advice.

Sexual Content which is NOT ALLOWED

• Describing or discussing sexual acts
• Any images (including in situations listed in the "allowed" section.)
• Graphic descriptions of sexual organs
• Any sexual content that may offend and/or disturb other users.
• Discussing non-health issues regarding sexual organs.
• Telling of 'Sex stories'.

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Originally Posted by invincible

The "sexual nature" rule doesn't exist on it's own anymore.
There are specific rules regarding sex and they can be found here

It is not allowed to discuss sexual acts :), the other threads could be looked upon as in an advisory capacity.

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Having sex is a sexual act - Mentor's thread asks if people have had sex. That's discussing the sexual act of sex.

Confussing.

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Originally Posted by adammm

Having sex is a sexual act - Mentor's thread asks if people have had sex. That's discussing the sexual act of sex.

Confussing.

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Mentors threads have been extremely borderline, as a moderator of the section i've been in contact with Mentor and he understands these are borderline. I've discussed these polls in detail with forum management and they do all hold some kind of advisory capacity and these threads are closelymoderated to avoid people saying just a little too much.

A thread discussing how sex feels is completely over the line.

So what about the idiots in the spam forum forever pleasuring themselves over girls, in particular Jennifer, using innuendo 24/7?

ryt k I get Adam, shouldn't the rule be "do not describe sexual acts" instead of discussing? There is a difference between the two. Like it's been said Mentor's doesn't require an indepth answer which goes into detail and it's usually just a poll so yes we know he's not breaking the rules so far but if the rule says no discussing sexual acts which he is doing then it's a bit of a contradiction whereas if you changed it to "do not describe" then the rule would be valid and he wouldn't be breaking the rule:S



oi adam :@ I think the rule should be imported into spam wayyy more than it already is because it's well getting out of hand -glare at gomme & sammeth-

Stupid rule

stupid stupid

Supposed to be a teen forum, one of the main thing teens talk about is sexual intercourse

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Originally Posted by buttons

oi adam :@ I think the rule should be imported into spam wayyy more than it already is because it's well getting out of hand -glare at gomme & sammeth-

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gay stuff is allowed. due to the current forum management.

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Originally Posted by buttons

ryt k I get Adam, shouldn't the rule be "do not describe sexual acts" instead of discussing? There is a difference between the two. Like it's been said Mentor's doesn't require an indepth answer which goes into detail and it's usually just a poll so yes we know he's not breaking the rules so far but if the rule says no discussing sexual acts which he is doing then it's a bit of a contradiction whereas if you changed it to "do not describe" then the rule would be valid and he wouldn't be breaking the rule:S

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I see your point, however I don't think discussing sex in itself should be allowed, mentor is discussing sexual relationships.

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Originally Posted by Soy

Stupid rule

stupid stupid

Supposed to be a teen forum, one of the main thing teens talk about is sexual intercourse

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It's supposed to be a Habbo Related forum actually.

@ the person who said people use innuendo to perv over jen, I haven't seen any directly myself but if jen/someone else reports it it would be dealt with appropriately.

No, I was refering to those polls that were in the Teen forum

There should be some exceptions made there

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Originally Posted by invincible

It's supposed to be a Habbo Related forum actually.

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you're right! habbo's target audience isn't teens :rolleyes:

The rule:

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A8. It is not allowed to talk about adult subjects like sex – Graphically describing sexual acts or acts of violence is not allowed.

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Meaning, if you are actually describing sexual acts then that is not acceptable. But simple talk or discussion like the threads you have posted are acceptable. We do have borderlines and exceptions for these sort of situations. Unless I'm truly missing something here?

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Originally Posted by Immenseman

gay stuff is allowed. due to the current forum management.

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Funny...

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Originally Posted by Immenseman

you're right! habbo's target audience isn't teens :rolleyes:

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11-15.
& sex talk is forbidden on the hotel so...

I personally don't see a problem with the rule or how it's put into practise. Discussing sex is allowed, you can go on about how many partners you've had, when you last did it etc but you just can't go into how it felt, what exactly happened and descriptions of how it actually went (Graphic details).

I think it'd be inappropriate for people to describe in detail the events of having sex, if you want to do that then go on another forum?

You should stop catering for 11-14 year olds when in fact no one that age uses the forum.

The age range is 15-18 and im sure they dont have problems reading / talking about that stuff

Ha, 3 of the threads are mine :P can see nvr/invincible's point.

Duno the way i've taken the rule is that you can speak about sex so long as you dont go in to detail about the act itself, so while mine were more based around asking whether people have sex, how often things like that, the thread that was closed was asking more about the act itselfs, asking people to describe it (or at least how it feels)

The rule's boundrys are a little bit odd in this sense, so i can see why this threads made, The fact the forums main age group has got signicantly older speaks to this (or at least the age group likely to view the non-habbo forums.) 16 is the legal age for sex, so after that point talking about sexual issues cant really be made out to be a big deal.

http://chart.apis.google.com/chart?c...6%20or%20above
(source: http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=591834 )
As the poll shows, the over 16's are in a big majorty now outside habbo based forums. So my suggestion would be to maybe take relationships or one of its subforums, make it so posts/last post etc cannot be seen from outside the forum (doesnt show last post details, just private) Add a big warning about the content then maybe in this forum relax the boundrys a bit. This all depends on whether or not there are any mods around old and mature enough to look after such a forum and with enough sense to make good judgement calls on whether things are appropite or not.

This is just one idea, maybe theirs a better one :)

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Originally Posted by buttons

oi adam :@ I think the rule should be imported into spam wayyy more than it already is because it's well getting out of hand -glare at gomme & sammeth-

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omg the context is a bit different though!!! dont be jealous :S

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Originally Posted by Mentor

Ha, 3 of the threads are mine :P can see nvr/invincible's point.

Duno the way i've taken the rule is that you can speak about sex so long as you dont go in to detail about the act itself, so while mine were more based around asking whether people have sex, how often things like that, the thread that was closed was asking more about the act itselfs, asking people to describe it (or at least how it feels)

The rule's boundrys are a little bit odd in this sense, so i can see why this threads made, The fact the forums main age group has got signicantly older speaks to this (or at least the age group likely to view the non-habbo forums.) 16 is the legal age for sex, so after that point talking about sexual issues cant really be made out to be a big deal.

http://chart.apis.google.com/chart?c...6%20or%20above
(source: http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=591834 )
As the poll shows, the over 16's are in a big majorty now outside habbo based forums. So my suggestion would be to maybe take relationships or one of its subforums, make it so posts/last post etc cannot be seen from outside the forum (doesnt show last post details, just private) Add a big warning about the content then maybe in this forum relax the boundrys a bit. This all depends on whether or not there are any mods around old and mature enough to look after such a forum and with enough sense to make good judgement calls on whether things are appropite or not.

This is just one idea, maybe theirs a better one :)

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Yeah maybe four years ago when the forum started the age was 12-15 but its four years later and they still think that when it clearly is not true.

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Originally Posted by Jordy

I personally don't see a problem with the rule or how it's put into practise. Discussing sex is allowed, you can go on about how many partners you've had, when you last did it etc but you just can't go into how it felt, what exactly happened and descriptions of how it actually went (Graphic details).

I think it'd be inappropriate for people to describe in detail the events of having sex, if you want to do that then go on another forum?

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Agreed :)

The rules are slack on it as it is tbh, just don't push it too far?

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Originally Posted by mwah

You should stop catering for 11-14 year olds when in fact no one that age uses the forum.

The age range is 15-18 and im sure they dont have problems reading / talking about that stuff

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This person talks some sense, cater for 15+ year olds and not spoilt little 11 year olds.

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Originally Posted by invincible

The rules are slack on it as it is tbh, just don't push it too far?

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Thats why she said!


... i'll show my self out :(

But fair comment, i can defiantly see where Jordy's coming from on this one, if there was an area where the censorship here is a bit ott id say thats with the word filter, some really random words are banned o.o

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Originally Posted by invincible

11-15.
& sex talk is forbidden on the hotel so...

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14-18 more like it..

anyway, it isn't like 14 year olds haven't heard about all the sex talk at school ect, so it really wouldn't make a difference.

If anything it's less graphic than what I got shown at school in year 6 however old I was then.

You'd have to go pretty far to beat that, actually, lol.

I personally would disagree to the forum trying to cater better for 16+, I think the forum should continue to cater to Habbo members. If HxF was to turn into a "Teenager" forum or "Young Adult" forum it'll just die, teen forums do not stand any chance by themselves, people try create them but they always fail because they lack any direction.

The large majority of people on this forum used Habbo and that's why they used HabboxForum in the first place, if you cut the ties with Habbo and then you get no new members signing up, you lose people out the Habbo, Trading, Graphics and Web sections and they'll be no people to 'replace' the current members once they leave, eventually resulting in the forum dying.

I have kind of jumped to conclusions however my point is the forum should not become more suited to the 16+ age group by introducing certain forums for them, although in the short term it seems a good idea, I think in the future it'd be a bad idea.

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Originally Posted by Immenseman

gay stuff is allowed. due to the current forum management.

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The whole lot of 'em, nancies :@

And there's no harm in being a wee bit dutty with other people, you're just jealous to be honest :/ (not you Jake, :love3: )

Also, Habbo is for teens, but Habbo fail at life in so many ways that they've forgotten that "teens" are between thirteen and nineteen. Between those ages is when puberty is, and the sex talk comes out. The forum is fine as it is.

The rule needs re-writing is the main point I tried to create in this thread. Mentor's threads, as the rules stand, are against them.

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Originally Posted by adammm

The rule needs re-writing is the main point I tried to create in this thread. Mentor's threads, as the rules stand, are against them.

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Ahh I see your point now (well, MattGarner gave it away when he posted the rule).

8. It is not allowed to talk about adult subjects like sex – Graphically describing sexual acts or acts of violence is not allowed.

The rule is soo badly written that it sort makes no sense and is unbelievable (literally). The bit in red, the main bit (thus coloured red, or I hope that's why they've done that) actually says talking about sexual intercourse in general is not allowed. Period, full stop yadda yadda. It literally comes across as, you can't make comments or references about sex, including what Mentor has said, sexual relationships (sex with someone else, duh, sex sex sex) - due to the vagueness of the rule.

The bit in fine writing though, completely invalidates the bold bit and confuses it, is it wrong to talk about sex especially graphic details, or only graphic details. What's going on here?

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Originally Posted by GommeInc

Ahh I see your point now (well, MattGarner gave it away when he posted the rule).

8. It is not allowed to talk about adult subjects like sex – Graphically describing sexual acts or acts of violence is not allowed.

The rule is soo badly written that it sort makes no sense and is unbelievable (literally). The bit in red, the main bit (thus coloured red, or I hope that's why they've done that) actually says talking about sexual intercourse in general is not allowed. Period, full stop yadda yadda. It literally comes across as, you can't make comments or references about sex, including what Mentor has said, sexual relationships (sex with someone else, duh, sex sex sex) - due to the vagueness of the rule.

The bit in fine writing though, completely invalidates the bold bit and confuses it, is it wrong to talk about sex especially graphic details, or only graphic details. What's going on here?

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If you read the forum specific rules it elaborates a lot...
We only tolerate it in the relationships, teen & health forums, we wouldnt allow sexual talk in spam for instance :)

There should be a part of the teen forum only viewable to users who are 13 and above, I've seen a vbulletin mod like that somewhere

And how is saying 'She smoked my pipe' graphic, It could mean an array of things

got infracted for it