I think its a bad idea because well if you wanted to see it then you would just logout wouldn't you. The site is open to everybody and what is there to stop somebody making a new account?
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I think its a bad idea because well if you wanted to see it then you would just logout wouldn't you. The site is open to everybody and what is there to stop somebody making a new account?
One simple way to combat this, is to make new accounts under 15 posts not see the spam forum, and remove the spam forum for non-members.
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Originally Posted by Stutoman
You certainly have the right to say it and I am confused why it is in a spoiler.
I am little confused also as to what point you are trying to make here.
If you get banned from the spam forum, you can log out and you'll still be able to see all the posts within the spam forum, and if you want to reply you can easily create another account.Quote:
Originally Posted by Catzsy
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Originally Posted by Catzsy
Banning, infractions, warnings for things like posting words such as s.h.l.t (yes who hasn't heard that word who isn't under 7 years old and who isn't on this forum who isn't over 11?) Even the word f.a.g is filtered and its only slang for a cigarette!
I got an infraction once for posting the word A..ss in a picture which was intented for light humour, and I don't think people notice but kids probably use the word a..ss more than adults do.
This is what I mean by over discipline and it is showing relation to the forms of communism which china uses to limit the use of internet access and what people can and cannot do.
Well we have always checked for people making new accounts to avoid temp bans/cautions so that is nothing new and not specific to a forum ban but I wouldnt know about being able to see the spam forum but the idea is that the person concerned wouldn't be able to post so I am not sure if that is a problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kardan
Well I don't think I have ever known anybody banned for saying the poo word or the other word but on a personal basis yes I do think they are quite mild for the filter if used not to abuse/be rude to anybody. My view on that has been the same for years. As far as an infraction for ass is concerned it must have been a long time ago as it has been removed from the filter for ages unless you called somebody it. I think your comparison of Habbox to china is unbelievably OTT.Quote:
Banning, infractions, warnings for things like posting words such as s.h.l.t (yes who hasn't heard that word who isn't under 7 years old and who isn't on this forum who isn't over 11?) Even the word f.a.g is filtered and its only slang for a cigarette!
I got an infraction once for posting the word A..ss in a picture which was intented for light humour, and I don't think people notice but kids probably use the word a..ss more than adults do.
This is what I mean by over discipline and it is showing relation to the forms of communism which china uses to limit the use of internet access and what people can and cannot do
How would you know who made a new account? I can change my ip in less than a minute simply by rebooting my router.Quote:
Originally Posted by Catzsy
Because sometimes the way people "post" can give the Mod/admin team hints of who they are. ;). The idea isn't going to be stopped for now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stutoman
why dont this forum just let kids be kids within reason
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Originally Posted by Stutoman
Banning from certain forums and your spoiler rants on about something different :S. Being banned from a certain forum for say two days, is to let them cool off from an argument they may of had and they don't listen to previous advice from the moderators. Yes, we could just caution them but that will then give them less features such as the private messaging system. This gives the user a break from that section. The bans are only offered out if they like breaking a typical rule in that area. For example: Posting to cause an argument. Plus, any person who is cautioned/banned can also just log out of the forum and see the forums again :S.
We have never said you didn't have the right to express your feelings on a change.Quote:
I have the right to post this btw moderators. Its called the right to free speech which is a right in the country this site is run from.
In all fairness, I don't think you shouldn't look at it that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by MattGarner
What IF you was to ban an innocent user?
We don't ban users like that. We watch them for a little while until evidence has been proven that it is actually that user who was recently banned. The Department don't just go "Oh let's ban him cos he looks like whoever who was banned before" because that is no evidence at all. Although that post of mine could be very misleading and I apologize.Quote:
Originally Posted by syko2006
Well we do 'within reason' but we have to constantly judge what is in the bests interests of the majority who just want to enjoy themselves and are quite happy to abide by the rules as against a small minority who constantly spoil it for others.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kieeran
Then the person could use the contact form and have the ban reviewed but it is unlkely to happen because there are such strigent guidelines to follow. If somebody was suspected of abuse though they would have their logs checked to see and if they were abusing they would be sacked. That would be a very rare occurence though I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by syko2006
Oh lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by MattGarner
Thanks. :)
When was this infraction and was it on the account your now using?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stutoman
Okay so there are a few threads I will reply to and this is one of them.
The idea behind the forum ban is to prevent a person from posting in the forum. The fact that they can not see the forum is based around the cheeky way that I have implemented this system in order to achieve this goal.
Whether they can see it or not is another matter the goal is to prevent them from interacting.
The other issue is, we are strict upon our moderation because it makes the community a lot more pleasant. The problem we face at HxF is the handful of users who act in a mob/group mentality, think they are E-better than everyone else and suffer from god-complex.
Users get sick and tired of being ripped and flamed for every post they make so by making our rules strict so that we can punish those who act like complete jerks it makes the forums pleasant for new and old users.
If you want to be a jerk and flame people every left right and center then I suggest another forum for your needs. Maybe 4chan as that is truly where those sort of people belong.
The forum banning idea is a great idea as we have users that act like complete jerks in one forum but seem perfectly respectable in other areas. We are simply removing their ability to post in that forum whilst allowing them to post on the rest of the board. Spam forum is the one that is going to get the most scrutiny as it is the most problematic forum.
You ban someone froma specific forum that will just lead to them raging in another forum
And if they do so, we will deal with them there. If they become a nuisance then we will issue a full ban on the account.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kieeran
What? Many people speak alike on this forum, how can you decide if that member is really the banned member?Quote:
Originally Posted by MattGarner
Most of the time they aren't scared letting us know who they are to be honest. But small bits that may link to them. It's not always the case but is for some. :]Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall!
*sigh* obviously we dont go by just that. Sometimes the members seem to think a bunch of apes are in charge of the banning on this forum I honestly wish they would back off just once in a while and think things through.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall!
We become accustomed towards how a problematic member structures their posts and the way they "speak". This usually indicates to us that a particular new user should be investigated further to see if it is a problematic user. More often than not it usually is someone that we will want to ban, if we dont find any evidence to support this we wont ban the account until an offence is made.
I think the "Posting to Cause Arguments" rules is the most stupid thing ever. It should be removed and you should just get infractioned / warned if you are rude / breaking other forum rules... seems to work on other sites
ugh this is why i quit HxF a few months ago, and why other people diss this forum. it's too strict, and it's making it annoying and unattractive. The mods take their job too seriously, and I think the filter crap is just rediculous. Not to mention this stupid "causing arguments" post crap. I think people are allowed to argue, it's basically expressing your opinion, i don't see why people see arguments as really threatning and aggressive, because they're not. I have arguments with friends all the time, a lot of people do, but the fact we're not even allowed to do that is just unbelieveable. HxF sometimes reminds me of Egypt and the slaves, like the people who whipped the slaves are the Mods, and the people who get whipped (the slaves) are just the regular HxF members, cus that is actually what it's like sometimes.
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Originally Posted by Lost
Could you care to then explain why in the past I have seen people who were previously banned come back with the same username but with a slight alteration, most commonly username1 but then they are not banned again and can post for months on end. Basically it just sends out the message that the real meaning of the word "Ban" is just to simply rip you of your stats.Quote:
Originally Posted by MattGarner
You're forgetting that HabboxForum is an independently owned site and the site admins have the right to do whatever they want. They can ban whoever they want for whatever reason - which I'm sure was in the rules and disclaimers you read when you joined.. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Stutoman
You also have the right not to be a sarcastic **** and use a ":rolleyes:" in every post.. but you still do itQuote:
Originally Posted by omgMatt
Oh come on.. freedom of speech in the country I'm posting this from? :rolleyes::rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by mwah
Yes but as an admin of a huge Fansite, you should take into consideration what people want to change, because if you're just going to act like a total idiot and ban anyone because they feel like it and just do what they want, then the fansite will begin to lose it's reputation, as what it's doing now, which brings me back to my point on how the mods take their job too seriously and how people on this forum like you think they're the best thing since slice bread, using these sarcastic emoticons, obviously thinking that they're 100% right.Quote:
Originally Posted by omgMatt
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Originally Posted by Stutoman
And what type of ban that would be then eh? Because anyone who gets a perm ban on HabboxForum is free to make a new account. The only one whos can't is the people who are on a temp/caution and on the autoban list.
That changes the whole meaning of the term "Ban". To ban someone means that they are no longer allowed to access what they are banned from. If you are permenantly banned from a country then they won't let you in at border control.Quote:
Originally Posted by MattGarner
So basically its A) Telling people to piss off because they aren't wanted and at the same time saying "You are free to come back though under another name"
You may aswell just reset their statistics if you do that, otherwise there is no point to it.
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Originally Posted by Stutoman
HabboxForum isn't a country though. Most of the time when users get permed banned, they will come back and start behaving. If they don't, then they getting added to the "Autoban" list where they are not allowed to come back. It's like given them a second chance.
Exactly. That means if I got banned right now I could just hop on a spare account and start doing whatever I did that got me banned in the first place. :SQuote:
Originally Posted by Stutoman
But isn't that exactly what temporary banning, warnings and infractions are for?Quote:
Originally Posted by MattGarner
Like you said when someone said freedom of speech "Habbox has the right to do anything"Quote:
Originally Posted by omgMatt
:eusa_danc:eusa_danc
If there was such thing as freedom of speech on this forum, then the whole idea of banning people because of arguments would of been unthinkable.Quote:
Originally Posted by omgMatt
I only added that last bit because many times before my threads have quite simply been closed, deleted and often flared. The reminder does help to stop that.Quote:
Originally Posted by omgMatt
Yeah, it's so easy to get someone/yourself infracted for this rule. Anything that's slightly rude can be seen as posting to cause arguments and you get infracted for it, I could easily just report something saying "they clearly want me to retaliate!!11 so they're causing arguments" and they could get infracted for it. That infraction is used a lot from what I've seen edited and don't think it really needs to be, probably only when a thread is made purely to cause an argument. I got infracted for it in a thread that was made against me in the first place so surely that person was the one causing the arguments in the first place but ye back on topic :8Quote:
Originally Posted by mwah
You can have a new account when you're banned?? Why complain anyway, would you rather they kept banning you until you couldn't make any more accounts..Quote:
Originally Posted by Stutoman
It's not all about "people-pleasing" (although i've seen some managers like that :eusa_whis) and doing what we want, it's what will attract new guests and keep the others from not being turned away.. I'd much rather post on a forum where there are some mature people who don't feel the need to swear and insult each other all the time. Although I do agree mods are way more serious now, was looking at threads from November and in one thread I said for a joke "now **** off" twice. + me and geraint also avoided the filter for the female dog word and yeah mods posted in that thread and did nothing because there was no need to. Little things are getting picked at now for no reason at all..Quote:
Originally Posted by Lost
Oh pleeeeeeeease you're making no sense at all and it's annoying, you're arguing for the sake of arguing, at least try to make sure your points are actually correct. You have totally contradicted yourself in that one paragraph, you're saying that to ban someone you have to make sure they're no longer allowed to access it at all EVER again. A ban doesn't have to mean permenantly and stop taking real life extreme cases into this because it won't work as this is a ******* forum. First you say not to ban anyone for no reason then you're saying if they're banned they shouldn't be allowed back. That IS the case with a perm ban but if you're thinking all bans should be perm then that wouldn't be fair at all and you'd get permed pretty darn easily :SQuote:
Originally Posted by Stutoman
If it was really extreme (posting/spreading child porn - not that i'd do that 4god!!!) then you'd be autobanned meaning never allowed on any account. With perm banning you're allowed back because it's only been continuous rule breaking that has been a pain in the arse but does not necessarily mean you have to be restricted from posting at all, if you were to make an account to "start doing whatever i did that got me banned in the first place" you'd just get banned more and more until eventually you get autobanned. sigh. i don't know why half of you even moan, it's just to be cool and rebel i guess. wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lost
As for banning from a seperate forum, I think it's a great idea. If you're banned from a forum you're causing trouble in then it's actually STOPPING you from being punished more. Look at the benefits, you'll stop getting infracted/warned and eventually banned as you'll be stopped from doing so. Oh but if you want to carry on being infracted + warned instead of giving you a cooling period then continue arguing over this :) Not many people get banned often and when they do come back on a new account it's pretty easy to guess who they are and I'm sure the mods would know who it is, the first 15 posts need to be approved first so if a new account suddenly just starts posting in one forum after someones banned from it, it won't be hard to make out who it is.
No, he was talking about perm banning. if it isn't permanent then the account would get unbanned anyways and I wasn't talking about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by buttons
And I think you are starting to rant and rave more than any of us here ;)
So you’re saying If I got perm banned on habbo, I shouldn't be allowed to sign up again on a new account and start behaving? Because last time I checked Habbo didn't really stop you. Yes they give you like 2 hour bans these days or even more. But we aren't going to stop everyone who’s had their account perm banned from coming back on. Only the ones on the autoban list for much worst reasons then "normal perm". Think it like this way, If you get a perm ban on your forum account, it just means that account won't be lifted unless the ban was unfair. Meaning you would have to use another account to use the forum, but if they shall carrying on breaking the same rules. That's when further action comes into place and they may be added onto the autoban list.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stutoman
We were originally talking about the individual forum banning and the general stupidity of how intense the forum is moderated.Quote:
Originally Posted by MattGarner
Habbox forum is an indipendant fansite to habbo, so there aren't any relations in banning rules. Also habbo don't ban you very quickly. You need to offend and re-offend seriously up to 5 times for a permanent ban. And banning on habbo you lose your ingame assets (furni) which is paid for.
I think even this now is over the top. As a moderator why not accept the constructive critisism and get the admins to consider it and maybe even apply it to the other mods.