BNP-Military row continues

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BNP leader Nick Griffin has compared a group of former generals who attacked his party in a letter this morning to Nazi war criminals. A letter signed by General Sir Richard Dannatt and General Sir Mike Jackson had warned that the BNP is hijacking patriotic British symbols and attaching itself to the Armed Forces for its own 'dubious' ends. But in an incredible posting on the BNP website today, Mr Griffin hit out at the two respected generals for their parts in the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.

He said: 'The Nuremberg War Crimes Trials set the precedent when the leaders of Nazi Germany were charged with invading other countries which represented no military threat to Germany. 'Along with the political leadership of Nazi Germany, the chiefs of staff of the German army ... were also charged with waging aggressive war. 'Sir Richard and Sir Mike fall squarely into this bracket, and they must not think that they will escape culpability for pursuing the illegal wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.' In the generals' letter they had warned the BNP was tarnishing the forces' reputation by associating itself with soldiers' sacrifices.

It emerged amid huge anger over Mr Griffin's appearance on Question Time this Thursday, with the corporation so far refusing to pull him from the line-up. The letter highlighted fears in the top echelons of the military that the BNP is exploiting servicemen. It said: 'We call on all those who seek to hijack the good name of Britain's military for their own advantage to cease and desist.

'The values of these extremists - many of whom are essentially racist - are fundamentally at odds with the values of the modern British military, such as tolerance and fairness.' Mr Griffin hit back today, insisting the generals had no right to criticise his party's approach. In a reference to the Tories recruiting General Dannatt, he told Sky News that some of them were 'in the pockets of the Conservative Party'.

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How about the now-political military stop criticising a party which has done nothing and has every right to use world war II posters if it wishes, and perhaps spend their time criticising the in-office Labour government which has slashed military spending, and sent young men and women into an illegal war along with a un-winnable war without the right equipment, who have as a result, come back with limbs missing or often, dead.

..this is just another example of the police/military and co. becoming far too involved in politics.

Do you agree or disagree with the military becoming involved in political issues?

The BNP had nothing to do with the workings of the war and was not the party in charge at the time. Though they have the right to use them, the military should have the choice between who uses their slogans and posters and the BNP is one of the parties who is piggy-backing the military for an unnecessary campaign to try and win over votes, therefore is the party not allowed to use the posters. It's unnecessary anyway "This is a war, which plays very little relevance. The past cannot shape the future, for the present has changed it."

... and he calls them Nazi war criminals :rolleyes:

I personally think it's disgusting that a party can get away with using pictures of (now) dead people and war images in their merchandising. We are and should be proud of our military in saving us from foreign threats, but to use them in this way or making outlandish comments about certain people in the past to make some gain is disgusting. These people didn't fight for your cause, they fought another and it's completely disrespectful on those who have died. That goes for all parties. Not just the BNP.

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Originally Posted by alexxxxx

I personally think it's disgusting that a party can get away with using pictures of (now) dead people and war images in their merchandising. We are and should be proud of our military in saving us from foreign threats, but to use them in this way or making outlandish comments about certain people in the past to make some gain is disgusting. These people didn't fight for your cause, they fought another and it's completely disrespectful on those who have died. That goes for all parties. Not just the BNP.

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Totally agree.

The military shouldn't be involved in politics I agree with that, it's the BNP who dragged them into it, forcing them to resist.

I think its disgusting Labour send our boys and girls into illegal wars with no armour/inproper equipment. I have to say, while the BNP may of made the wrong choice that is questionable (although we are siupposed to live in a democracy are we not?) - if anyone is the criminal in this it is the Labour party and the ruling Lib/Lab/Con elite.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

I think its disgusting Labour send our boys and girls into illegal wars with no armour/inproper equipment. I have to say, while the BNP may of made the wrong choice that is questionable (although we are siupposed to live in a democracy are we not?) - if anyone is the criminal in this it is the Labour party and the ruling Lib/Lab/Con elite.

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yeah, you might think that's disgusting but that's not in this debate. are you sure you're not a BNP supporter? you are a bit hypocritical, you say that the military are becoming too involved in politics, yet you say that they should complain about the labour party? good one. :eusa_wall

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Originally Posted by alexxxxx

yeah, you might think that's disgusting but that's not in this debate. are you sure you're not a BNP supporter? you are a bit hypocritical, you say that the military are becoming too involved in politics, yet you say that they should complain about the labour party? good one. :eusa_wall

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Actually I do not think it is hypocritical, what is hypocritical is the fact that the BNP are being criticised for using military pictures by Generals and the establishment when the ruling Labour party itself started an illegal war which was condemmed by millions across the world, and send our boys and girls to war without the proper equipment, meaning they die.

I support some BNP policies (EU in particular) as they appear to be one of the only parties prepared to stick up for the ordinary people and the military, and its shown that the establishment will use any dirty trick in the book to stop the BNP because they now realise if the trends continue it will all be over soon.

I think perhaps people should stop linking Nick Griffin and world war II and maybe question why Labour & Liberal Democrat MPs' were involved in marxist/socialist/communist groups during the 1970s' - at a time when the Soviet Union had thousands, if not millions still in prison and being sentenced to death for 'crimes' against the state.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

Actually I do not think it is hypocritical, what is hypocritical is the fact that the BNP are being criticised for using military pictures by Generals and the establishment when the ruling Labour party itself started an illegal war which was condemmed by millions across the world, and send our boys and girls to war without the proper equipment, meaning they die.

I support some BNP policies (EU in particular) as they appear to be one of the only parties prepared to stick up for the ordinary people and the military, and its shown that the establishment will use any dirty trick in the book to stop the BNP because they now realise if the trends continue it will all be over soon.

I think perhaps people should stop linking Nick Griffin and world war II and maybe question why Labour & Liberal Democrat MPs' were involved in marxist/socialist/communist groups during the 1970s' - at a time when the Soviet Union had thousands, if not millions still in prison and being sentenced to death for 'crimes' against the state.

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what? are you ok in the head? how is that hypocritical? labour and the government aren't saying anything about it at all? and even if they did that still wouldn't be hypocritical. ex-military members are complaining about this, perhaps they are offended by their use. I'm not quite sure who you mean by the 'establishment,' perhaps everyone that you disagree with? people who are against the BNP?

I don't understand what your last statement has with this article. Have you lost it?

Surely looking into the past history of MPs undermines parliament. They've been legitimately elected into parliament by the people (It would be undemocratic to remove them because of this). Not only that but older views are irrelevant to today.

It's also not a crime to support Communism even if you strongly disagree with it.

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Originally Posted by alexxxxx

what? are you ok in the head? how is that hypocritical? labour and the government aren't saying anything about it at all? and even if they did that still wouldn't be hypocritical. ex-military members are complaining about this, perhaps they are offended by their use. I'm not quite sure who you mean by the 'establishment,' perhaps everyone that you disagree with? people who are against the BNP?

I don't understand what your last statement has with this article. Have you lost it?

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I don't think you get it.

The generals are criticising the BNP for using military images yet they say nothing on Labour sending them into an illegal war, and two wars without the correct equipment which has killed and wounded our young men and women.

The establishment, are those who label people racist/xenophobic for not supporting the European Union or politically correct ideas.

On the last issue, I think you know full well what I mean but you are trying to twist my words. I am saying, is it not strange how every dark detail about the BNP is reported widely on and criticised by both the media and the ruling Lib/Lab/Con, yet the dark histories of Labour and Liberal Democrat MPs' is not discussed at all, despite them supporting a evil state which murdered millions upon millions in the name of socialism.

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Originally Posted by Jordy

Surely looking into the past history of MPs undermines parliament. They've been legitimately elected into parliament by the people (It would be undemocratic to remove them because of this). Not only that but older views are irrelevant to today.

It's also not a crime to support Communism even if you strongly disagree with it.

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I have not said it is a crime, I am saying that it is wrong to criticise the BNP for having members who do not agree that the holocaust occured when Labour/Liberal Democrat MPs' were once all involved in marxist and communist partys who were sympathetic to the former Soviet Union - at a time when millions were still locked up for 'crimes' against the state.

I believe any party should be allowed to campaign for any policy, I believe any party should be able to use world war II images or the Union Flag - however I do not believe that individual parties and their leaders should have witchhunts conducted against them by the media and the ruling elite.

There should be free speech but with free speech comes a responsibility to treat it with respect and if the BNP fail to do this by using military images in an inappropriate manner (if that's what they are doing, I'm not completely up-to-date atm), they should be stopped.

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Originally Posted by Inseriousity.

There should be free speech but with free speech comes a responsibility to treat it with respect and if the BNP fail to do this by using military images in an inappropriate manner (if that's what they are doing, I'm not completely up-to-date atm), they should be stopped.

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Who said they are using military images in an inappropiate manner? - the issue is why have the military found it so compelling to criticise the BNP over the usage of world war II pictures (which the BNP are entitled to use anyway) when the ruling Labour party has sent our troops into two wars without the correct equipment along with withholding the military budget consistantly over the past decade?

Do we now live in a 'democracy' where the Lib/Lab/Con group are immune from criticism yet any parties which are a threat to them can be labelled anything by both the Lib/Lab/Con group and the military and the services in general?

It really does make me laugh why people are so confused as to why the BNP are gathering so much support.

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Originally Posted by Jordy

Totally agree.

The military shouldn't be involved in politics I agree with that, it's the BNP who dragged them into it, forcing them to resist.

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The military did not chose to be dragged into this, hence the letter, also the BNP should open their eyes and realize that just because they have 2 European Seats, they will not hold of this patriotic and civilized country of ours, yes we get racists, but how do we define being fully British, being an island inherits the things that go with it, such as being invaded and certain times in our history and thus having a diverse multi-cultural society.

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Originally Posted by dr.bob

The military did not chose to be dragged into this, hence the letter, also the BNP should open their eyes and realize that just because they have 2 European Seats, they will not hold of this patriotic and civilized country of ours, yes we get racists, but how do we define being fully British, being an island inherits the things that go with it, such as being invaded and certain times in our history and thus having a diverse multi-cultural society.

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The BNP raise important issues about immigration and multi-culturalism that the main parties ignore, despite the European Union and immigration being key concerns in peoples' minds. The BNP also seem to be one of the only parties which tell the truth, it tells people what its views are and it is that simple. That is why they are gathering support, people are sick of the liars in the Lib/Lab/Con pact hence why people do not bother voting anymore.

The military did choose to get dragged into this, they did not have to comment and have no right to comment in the BNP using military pictures, because all images of world war II are not owned by the government or the military therefore the BNP has the democratic and legal right to use them pictures.

The more the British people hear the elite telling them not to vote BNP (while the elite squander taxpayer money in expense claims, are involved in fraud and the rest..) the more people will turn to the BNP and it is that simple but when will our politicians learn?

Who do I trust more out of Labour and the BNP? - the BNP, I may not like or agree with every single thing they say, but I know they have the interests of this country in their hands as they see it - the same cannot sadly be said for Labour who have signed away over 75% of this country to the European Union over the past decade, with help from the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats and who have never once stuck up for the ordinary people in this country.

"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." - Mahatma Ghandi

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

I don't think you get it.

The generals are criticising the BNP for using military images yet they say nothing on Labour sending them into an illegal war, and two wars without the correct equipment which has killed and wounded our young men and women.

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I don't think you understand what civil servants have to abide by. My father is a civil servant and he has to make sure that his political beliefs cannot get in his way, he cannot express his distaste for the political parties that he serves because that is his job. It is the same for the military. It is well noted that the armed forces asked for more equipment, they did ask for it. But it isn't really their job to come out and critisise Labour or the Conservatives (or anyone else) nor endorse anyone. Now they are no longer in the army they are well within their rights to do so. If they want to express their disgust they can. The BNP are well within their rights to use those images, but it is revolting that they do so and very disrespectful. It is not hypocritical of these officers at all. You mustn't understand what hypocritical means.

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The establishment, are those who label people racist/xenophobic for not supporting the European Union or politically correct ideas.

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That's because they are. Calling someone a bum boy isn't just non politically correct, it's offensive and homophobic. The BNP are racist and definatly xenophobic.

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On the last issue, I think you know full well what I mean but you are trying to twist my words. I am saying, is it not strange how every dark detail about the BNP is reported widely on and criticised by both the media and the ruling Lib/Lab/Con, yet the dark histories of Labour and Liberal Democrat MPs' is not discussed at all, despite them supporting a evil state which murdered millions upon millions in the name of socialism.

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When a relatively up-and-coming party comes into the frame, is it not appropriate to go through their history? Labour's old socialist ideas are well known. That's where their party came from. That's why they got votes.

Every time you say Lib/Lab/Con i get more convinced that you are a bnp supporter. UKIP not pledging to get rid of the black people irritating you or something?

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I don't think you understand what civil servants have to abide by. My father is a civil servant and he has to make sure that his political beliefs cannot get in his way, he cannot express his distaste for the political parties that he serves because that is his job. It is the same for the military. It is well noted that the armed forces asked for more equipment, they did ask for it. But it isn't really their job to come out and critisise Labour or the Conservatives (or anyone else) nor endorse anyone. Now they are no longer in the army they are well within their rights to do so. If they want to express their disgust they can. The BNP are well within their rights to use those images, but it is revolting that they do so and very disrespectful. It is not hypocritical of these officers at all. You mustn't understand what hypocritical means.

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I am asking then, why have the military criticised the BNP and why have they not criticised the Labour government for failing to provide troops with armour. I think you have it the wrong way around, is it revolting to send young men and women into a war without armour - that is revolting.

On the point of beliefs, if beliefs are not allowed to intervene with work then why are police not allowed to support the BNP yet are allowed to support any other political party? - yet again its one sided, this isn't democracy!.

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When a relatively up-and-coming party comes into the frame, is it not appropriate to go through their history? Labour's old socialist ideas are well known. That's where their party came from. That's why they got votes.

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Hang on, so you are telling me it is perfectly fine to bully and give a new party bad press, yet parties such as Labour who supported marxist/communist groups sympathetic to the USSR at a time when the USSR still had millions being locked up and executed for political crimes are ok to be ignored? - what an interesting viewpoint you have on democracy.

It seems to be that is was fine for the Labour party members to openly support the USSR which had murdered millions of its own people, yet for the odd BNP member to question the holocaust it must mean that the whole of the BNP supports the Nazi Party, not to mention the fact socialism murdered more people than Hitler ever came near to doing.

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Every time you say Lib/Lab/Con i get more convinced that you are a bnp supporter. UKIP not pledging to get rid of the black people irritating you or something?

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Here we go again, I think you once called me xenophobic for wanting EU withdrawal (although not one hundred percent sure) and the party which I support (UKIP) was labelled racist a few weeks ago in another thread by another forum member. It does seem that because I do not agree with mass immigration, the European Union and political correctness that I must somehow be a BNP supporter - if you have such a black and white view of the world you won't go far.

I never said get rid of black people, and I do not support that at all as that is racist indeed. I support controlled immigration, multi-culturalism that works, a country which governs itself rather than foreign eurocrats in Brussels; aka a country that works. Do not attempt to twist my views/words to make it appear as if I support throwing out all black people, because that is totally wrong.

The one thing I support above all is fairness and democracy; I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend your right to say it.

"I think perhaps people should stop linking Nick Griffin and world war II and maybe question why Labour & Liberal Democrat MPs' were involved in marxist/socialist/communist groups during the 1970s".

I also think he is the one linking others to dead WW2 leaders/Nazi members.
Maybe they were in the 1970s, but things have changed.

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Originally Posted by Ardemax

"I think perhaps people should stop linking Nick Griffin and world war II and maybe question why Labour & Liberal Democrat MPs' were involved in marxist/socialist/communist groups during the 1970s".

I also think he is the one linking others to dead WW2 leaders/Nazi members.
Maybe they were in the 1970s, but things have changed.

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Nick Griffin does not support Nazi leaders, whereas numerous Labour MPs' were sympathetic to the Soviet Union as recently as the 1980s'. I agree things do change, however things must also remain fair & just.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

I am asking then, why have the military criticised the BNP and why have they not criticised the Labour government for failing to provide troops with armour. I think you have it the wrong way around, is it revolting to send young men and women into a war without armour - that is revolting.
On the point of beliefs, if beliefs are not allowed to intervene with work then why are police not allowed to support the BNP yet are allowed to support any other political party? - yet again its one sided, this isn't democracy!.

Hang on, so you are telling me it is perfectly fine to bully and give a new party bad press, yet parties such as Labour who supported marxist/communist groups sympathetic to the USSR at a time when the USSR still had millions being locked up and executed for political crimes are ok to be ignored? - what an interesting viewpoint you have on democracy.



Here we go again, I think you once called me xenophobic for wanting EU withdrawal (although not one hundred percent sure) and the party which I support (UKIP) was labelled racist a few weeks ago in another thread by another forum member. It does seem that because I do not agree with mass immigration, the European Union and political correctness that I must somehow be a BNP supporter - if you have such a black and white view of the world you won't go far.

I never said get rid of black people, and I do not support that at all as that is racist indeed. I support controlled immigration, multi-culturalism that works, a country which governs itself rather than foreign eurocrats in Brussels; aka a country that works. Do not attempt to twist my views/words to make it appear as if I support throwing out all black people, because that is totally wrong.

The one thing I support above all is fairness and democracy; I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend your right to say it.

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Right. The Military have complained to the government in an official manner about the state of what they have been given. That happened. It isn't relevant. Some ex-officers have expressed their displeasure of war images being used by the BNP. The police have a duty to make sure that each member of the community is dealt with equally. If the police decide independently that they think that the BNP goes further than being a political party in the traditional sense and more into a racist movement or if they think that their beliefs will hinder their job, then it is for them to decide. Not you, not me.

It isn't bullying the BNP. The BNP get chances in the media to express their true colours via the BBC, where they have been guests on many programmes in the past, newspapers and the like. I thought that the media most consumed by the people is what they like and expresses their thoughts like how alot of media is anti-eu. Or is your complaining about how they don't get fair treatment valid as it is something you support (ie the BNP). I don't know the specifics, but labour were very socialist at points in their history. It happened. The BNP are alot newer than the labour party and their background is quite rightly being exposed.

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Originally Posted by alexxxxx

Right. The Military have complained to the government in an official manner about the state of what they have been given. That happened. It isn't relevant. Some ex-officers have expressed their displeasure of war images being used by the BNP. The police have a duty to make sure that each member of the community is dealt with equally. If the police decide independently that they think that the BNP goes further than being a political party in the traditional sense and more into a racist movement or if they think that their beliefs will hinder their job, then it is for them to decide. Not you, not me.

It isn't bullying the BNP. The BNP get chances in the media to express their true colours via the BBC, where they have been guests on many programmes in the past, newspapers and the like. I thought that the media most consumed by the people is what they like and expresses their thoughts like how alot of media is anti-eu. Or is your complaining about how they don't get fair treatment valid as it is something you support (ie the BNP). I don't know the specifics, but labour were very socialist at points in their history. It happened. The BNP are alot newer than the labour party and their background is quite rightly being exposed.

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They may be ex-officers, however they should keep their political neutrality as equal as possible, Labour is not being slammed for sending young men and women into war without, the correct equipment, why have these generals not got all that much to say on that issue?

On the police issue which was totally ignored, that just shows that people who support other parties such as the BNP are persecuted and can lose their job because of their beliefs which do not hinder with their job practice. If a BNP supporter/UKIP supporter/Labour supporter/Conservative supporter/Communist Party supporter allows their political party to intefere with their work, then yes they should be disiplined - but for simply appearing on the BNP membership list should never be a sackable offence, that is not democracy.

I do not support the BNP, I find it quite strange how you ignored totally what I said before and continue to imply that I support the BNP. I am not complaining about the newspapers, more so the way that the BNP were excluded from Question Time programmes before they won seats and the way that any BNP issue is reported fully blown on the news without the BNP being allowed to protest properly, I admit though that it does seem to be changing as it is only for so long that the media will be able to hold off in this way as the BNP base continues to grow.

On the background issue, why is it that the holocaust issue is always brought up and Nick Griffin is described a Nazi-supporter (despite him being against the Nazis) yet Labour MPs' who supported one of the most evil states the world has ever seen as recently as the 1980s' are allowed to go untouched by their pasts, most of which still claim to be socialists despite owning massive housing empires, meeting with billionares, being involved in fraud and happily signing up to the EU gravy train for pay well into a six-figure pay sum of which they all opposed many years ago.

..just look at dear old Tony, already made millions and is going on to become European President (oh and he also had his expenses 'accidently' shreaded) yet all those years ago claimed to be a socialist and that he was for the people - why is this never mentioned by mainstream news?

That is why I eagerly am waiting for Nick Griffin on Question Time, it will certainly be funny watching Jack Straw (who fiddled his expenses) lecturing Nick Griffin on morals and on what the British people want.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

They may be ex-officers, however they should keep their political neutrality as equal as possible, Labour is not being slammed for sending young men and women into war without, the correct equipment, why have these generals not got all that much to say on that issue?

On the police issue which was totally ignored, that just shows that people who support other parties such as the BNP are persecuted and can lose their job because of their beliefs which do not hinder with their job practice. If a BNP supporter/UKIP supporter/Labour supporter/Conservative supporter/Communist Party supporter allows their political party to intefere with their work, then yes they should be disiplined - but for simply appearing on the BNP membership list should never be a sackable offence, that is not democracy.

I do not support the BNP, I find it quite strange how you ignored totally what I said before and continue to imply that I support the BNP. I am not complaining about the newspapers, more so the way that the BNP were excluded from Question Time programmes before they won seats and the way that any BNP issue is reported fully blown on the news without the BNP being allowed to protest properly, I admit though that it does seem to be changing as it is only for so long that the media will be able to hold off in this way as the BNP base continues to grow.

On the background issue, why is it that the holocaust issue is always brought up and Nick Griffin is described a Nazi-supporter (despite him being against the Nazis) yet Labour MPs' who supported one of the most evil states the world has ever seen as recently as the 1980s' are allowed to go untouched by their pasts, most of which still claim to be socialists despite owning massive housing empires, meeting with billionares, being involved in fraud and happily signing up to the EU gravy train for pay well into a six-figure pay sum of which they all opposed many years ago.

..just look at dear old Tony, already made millions and is going on to become European President (oh and he also had his expenses 'accidently' shreaded) yet all those years ago claimed to be a socialist and that he was for the people - why is this never mentioned by mainstream news?

That is why I eagerly am waiting for Nick Griffin on Question Time, it will certainly be funny watching Jack Straw (who fiddled his expenses) lecturing Nick Griffin on morals and on what the British people want.

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I recon you've got one of these:
http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/news/images/1369_387.jpg

who would actually want to be seen with one of those?

not only will you have eggs chucked at your house on halloween, you will have eggs chucked at your house everyday of the year!

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Originally Posted by alexxxxx

I recon you've got one of these:
http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/news/images/1369_387.jpg

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That all you have to say?

..so because i'm defending free speech and pointing out the hypocrisy of Labour and co. i'm a member and supporter of the BNP am I? - what a view you take. I gave the example of the police officer being punished for being a member of a democratically elected and legal party yet you totally ignored it.

I could reply with some pictures taken from the socialist dictatorships of the USSR, North Korea, Cuba and so on, but they'd probably be too gory and disgusting for the forum.

I have absolutely no time for the BNP or their policies.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

That all you have to say?

..so because i'm defending free speech and pointing out the hypocrisy of Labour and co. i'm a member and supporter of the BNP am I? - what a view you take. I gave the example of the police officer being punished for being a member of a democratically elected and legal party yet you totally ignored it.

I could reply with some pictures taken from the socialist dictatorships of the USSR, North Korea, Cuba and so on, but they'd probably be too gory and disgusting for the forum.

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you haven't pointed out any hypocrisy at all. and tbh, you've steered this whole ridiculous debate off the main point of your article about how unfairly the BNP are portrayed in the media.

come out of the bnp closet: you are a bnp supporter

i couldn't care less about the USSR, i don't support communism nor do i support the labour party.

you're very boring.

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Originally Posted by alexxxxx

you haven't pointed out any hypocrisy at all. and tbh, you've steered this whole ridiculous debate off the main point of your article about how unfairly the BNP are portrayed in the media.

come out of the bnp closet: you are a bnp supporter

i couldn't care less about the USSR, i don't support communism nor do i support the labour party.

you're very boring.

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1) I do not agree with the extent of the BNPs' immigration policy;

• I do not agree that immigration policy should be made on colour.
• I do not think everybody who is coloured/is of a different race should be thrown out of this country.
• I do not believe all immigration should be stopped.
• I do not believe that multi-culturalism cannot work, although I think it is not working at its present point.

2) I think the party has a lot of thugs in it.

3) I do not agree with the BNP wanting to withdraw from NATO.

4) I do not agree with the BNP wanting to close down trade links

5) I do not agree with the BNP that industry should be nationalised.

6) I do not agree with the BNP on the language some of them have used.

7) I do not agree with the BNP and its socialist outlook.

The point of the debate was that I was pointing out that the military seem to care far more about keeping pressure on the BNP by criticising the BNP for using military images (which they are entitled to use) yet will not criticise Labour so strongly like they have with the BNP when Labour were the party who sent our young men and women into war without the correct equipment or armour, and are still not sending our troops there with correct armour.

I support fairness, democracy and as you know very well I support UKIP fully and the Conservatives partially aswell, so me supporting the BNP would mean I am supporting both right-wing and left-wing policies at the same time, making me a hypocrite.

In future don't go making false claims by trying to link me to the BNP just because I may partially agree with them that we need action on immigration (although not in the way they say it) - if i'm racist for that, the whole world is racist as the whole world has common sense immigration/illegal immigration policies in place.