"Chemical Ali" executed

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25-01-2010, 07:55 PM
Pix

"Chemical Ali" executed

The creature that did the gas attack back in 1988 has been executed, views on the execution?
Do you think it was right or wrong and why?
25-01-2010, 07:57 PM
Accipiter

i thought he was still in for a few more sentences? o_o

but he committed mass murder, no point in wasting food on him.
25-01-2010, 08:05 PM
Ardemax

I'm sorry but I don't know the story

Can you explain? :)
25-01-2010, 08:15 PM
Jordy

"Majid, an enforcer in Saddam Hussein's regime and his cousin, had earlier been sentenced to death four times for genocide and crimes against humanity.

Earlier this month, he was sentenced to death for ordering the gas attack on the Kurdish town of Halabja in 1988. It is believed that about 5,000 people died (Mostly women and children) in the attack. Iraqi jets swooped over Halabja and for five hours sprayed it with a lethal cocktail of mustard gas and nerve agents".

Enough said ;)
25-01-2010, 08:16 PM
AlexOC

Where was he hung?
25-01-2010, 08:26 PM
Jordy

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Originally Posted by AlexOC

Where was he hung?

From the neck I hope :P

Iraq, it's unknown where in Iraq but the likelihood is Baghdad.
25-01-2010, 08:41 PM
AlexOC

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Originally Posted by Jordy

From the neck I hope :P

Iraq, it's unknown where in Iraq but the likelihood is Baghdad.

Ahhh very clever :P
25-01-2010, 08:43 PM
xxMATTGxx

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Originally Posted by Jordy

"Majid, an enforcer in Saddam Hussein's regime and his cousin, had earlier been sentenced to death four times for genocide and crimes against humanity.

Earlier this month, he was sentenced to death for ordering the gas attack on the Kurdish town of Halabja in 1988. It is believed that about 5,000 people died (Mostly women and children) in the attack. Iraqi jets swooped over Halabja and for five hours sprayed it with a lethal cocktail of mustard gas and nerve agents".

Enough said ;)

If that's the case then I fully agree with the death sentence. It's what they have them for!
25-01-2010, 09:00 PM
Pix

I think that executing them years and years after their crime was committed is stupid, because they've had time to change and become a whole different person. They've had time to mature and reflect on what they've done, make changes in the community, etc. It makes more sense in my opinion to execute them right away
American justice is strange to me.
25-01-2010, 09:04 PM
jackass

I think for something like this, death isn't enough. Torture, followed by death is better suited.
25-01-2010, 09:10 PM
Sly

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Originally Posted by Biohazard

I think for something like this, death isn't enough. Torture, followed by death is better suited.

i agree im a fan of the idea of torturing terrorists
25-01-2010, 09:18 PM
AlexOC

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Originally Posted by Biohazard

I think for something like this, death isn't enough. Torture, followed by death is better suited.

I'm sure theres some kind of law....

hell with it, go for it!!
25-01-2010, 10:39 PM
Wig44.

Much deserved.
25-01-2010, 10:59 PM
Jordy

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Originally Posted by Pix

I think that executing them years and years after their crime was committed is stupid, because they've had time to change and become a whole different person. They've had time to mature and reflect on what they've done, make changes in the community, etc. It makes more sense in my opinion to execute them right away
American justice is strange to me.

Yes I mean it's not like he continued to support the radical Iraqi government becoming Defence Minister in 2003 and then going into hiding once the invasion began.

However lets not forget the work he's done for the local football team, he's made some good changes in the community. A boy fell over in his village and this gentlemen phoned for an ambulance and waited with the boy. I would say he's a valued member of the community :rolleyes:

What are you on mate? Iraqi courts, Iraqi laws, Iraqi gallows, not American.

As for reflecting on the matter, this is what he had to say in court about it, "I am the one who gave orders to the army to demolish villages and relocate the villagers. The army was responsible to carry out those orders. I am not defending myself. I am not apologising. I did not make a mistake.". Doesn't exactly seem like he's "matured" into a "totally different person".
25-01-2010, 11:40 PM
Black_Apalachi

Hear, hear.
26-01-2010, 02:11 PM
[Jay]

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Originally Posted by Biohazard

I think for something like this, death isn't enough. Torture, followed by death is better suited.

Your right on that one, I saw what he did on the news and it was ..... up
26-01-2010, 03:23 PM
-:Undertaker:-

Lets hope for Mr Blair, Mr Bush and the rest of them to be next.
26-01-2010, 06:01 PM
Neil

I don't agree with this at all for a few reasons.

First, he got into this because he gassed and killed 5,000 people, why the "most were women and children" came into this I don't know but anyway, he was then allowed to live for 20 years knowing his mission was a success then the best way they could solve it was to hang him which could more than likely of killed him instantly? Why didn't they slowly gas him with something that takes time so he could suffer a bit?

Second, I disagree with capital punishment, an eye for an eye doesn't give the former his eye back.

Backing up my second reason, presidents kill millions with these pointless wars, why are only terrorists killed for it? I'm sure Bush ordering an attack on Bagdad felt a bit like terrorism to the innocent people that lived there.
26-01-2010, 07:46 PM
-:Undertaker:-

What most people dont know (or dont wish to hear) is that the Ba'ath regime had little option but to ruthlessly crush opposition from the Kurds, of course the means used were totally barbaric but theres a lot to this that does not meet the eye. The attack was not a totally random attack, it was used to put down opposition against the government which could have seen it overthrown. In Iraq the hatred between the Kurds and the Iraqis could be compared to that of what some of us might feel towards the Nazis and what they did - and we used gas against the Germans in WW1 and our allie the United States used an atomic bomb against the Japanese Empire in WW2.

It all depends on where you are from and your take on history to form an opinion on something like this.
26-01-2010, 08:28 PM
Pix

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Originally Posted by Jordy

Yes I mean it's not like he continued to support the radical Iraqi government becoming Defence Minister in 2003 and then going into hiding once the invasion began.

However lets not forget the work he's done for the local football team, he's made some good changes in the community. A boy fell over in his village and this gentlemen phoned for an ambulance and waited with the boy. I would say he's a valued member of the community :rolleyes:

What are you on mate? Iraqi courts, Iraqi laws, Iraqi gallows, not American.

As for reflecting on the matter, this is what he had to say in court about it, "I am the one who gave orders to the army to demolish villages and relocate the villagers. The army was responsible to carry out those orders. I am not defending myself. I am not apologising. I did not make a mistake.". Doesn't exactly seem like he's "matured" into a "totally different person".

I was trying to state that if they waited this long to finally execute him they could of tried changing him in person maybe, just a thought. Altough i doubt it will work... i just don't understand the whole concept of waiting this long and just hanging him.
26-01-2010, 08:42 PM
Jamesy

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Originally Posted by Biohazard

I think for something like this, death isn't enough. Torture, followed by death is better suited.

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind ;).
26-01-2010, 08:45 PM
-:Undertaker:-

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Originally Posted by Jamesy

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind ;).

Blinded but safe.
26-01-2010, 08:45 PM
jackass

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Originally Posted by Jamesy

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind ;).

Although I do agree, i'm also one for revenge. I'm a very confusing person. :P
26-01-2010, 08:48 PM
Jamesy

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

Blinded but safe.

I suppose, but minus the torture they are still dead and you then own the moral high ground rather than stooping to torture.
26-01-2010, 08:49 PM
-:Undertaker:-

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Originally Posted by Jamesy

I suppose, but minus the torture they are still dead and you then own the moral high ground rather than stooping to torture.

Oh yeah I don't agree with torture, but the possible sentence of death in a criminal court, certainly.
26-01-2010, 08:49 PM
jackass

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Originally Posted by Jamesy

I suppose, but minus the torture they are still dead and you then own the moral high ground rather than stooping to torture.

For what he did, he does not deserve to be let free by death, whether it is morally right or not.
26-01-2010, 08:51 PM
Jamesy

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

Oh yeah I don't agree with torture, but the possible sentence of death in a criminal court, certainly.

We are on the same page then (H)

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Originally Posted by Biohazard

For what he did, he does not deserve to be let free by death, whether it is morally right or not.

Then you become just as bad as him.
26-01-2010, 08:54 PM
jackass

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Originally Posted by Jamesy

Then you become just as bad as him.

1 mass murderer = 5000 innocent people?

I don't think so.
26-01-2010, 08:56 PM
Jamesy

I agree with the death sentence, not your belief in torture - no matter how babaric the crime.

It is the differences like that, that seperate the civilised world from monsters like him.
26-01-2010, 09:01 PM
jackass

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Originally Posted by Jamesy

I agree with the death sentence, not your belief in torture - no matter how babaric the crime.

It is the differences like that, that seperate the civilised world from monsters like him.

In normal circumstances, I would agree with you, torture is an awful thing. But people like him deserve to pay, and a quick death cannot compensate for that.

I respect your opinion, and i'm sure the majority of people here agree with you, but this is just what I think. :)
26-01-2010, 09:08 PM
scottish

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Originally Posted by Pix

I think that executing them years and years after their crime was committed is stupid, because they've had time to change and become a whole different person. They've had time to mature and reflect on what they've done, make changes in the community, etc. It makes more sense in my opinion to execute them right away
American justice is strange to me.

LOL? do i need to say anything more, mature from killing 5000 people and becoming a new person? what 'ave you been smoking?

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Originally Posted by Biohazard

I think for something like this, death isn't enough. Torture, followed by death is better suited.

I agree, slowly torture the person to death would be better than shooting/hanging him.

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Originally Posted by Pix

I was trying to state that if they waited this long to finally execute him they could of tried changing him in person maybe, just a thought. Altough i doubt it will work... i just don't understand the whole concept of waiting this long and just hanging him.

Erm could be because he killed 5000 people? not too sure :rolleyes: