BNP prospective MP & BNP Councillor cause controversy in South Wales

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BNP criticised for prejudice over halal jobs
Monday, March 29, 2010, 12:00

THE British National Party has been accused of putting their "narrow prejudice before the chance of good jobs" after vowing to oppose a major development earmarked for the region.

Carmarthenshire and Neath have been named as the preferred home for a proposed £150 million Super Halal Industrial Park, said to promise around 1,500 jobs.

But the BNP say they will fight the plans because the jobs would be given to Muslims.

Writing on our website, Kevin Edwards, BNP Prospective Parliamentary Candidate for Aberavon, said: "If the people of Wales think this will provide employment for them then they must think again. If this is given the go ahead the vast majority of jobs created will have to be allocated to Muslims."

Mr Edwards, a BNP Penygroes community councillor, added: "The Welsh Assembly has a shameful record of handing out grants to companies that have fled as soon as the money has gone.

"When this happens, as it inevitably will, 'the industrial estate' will wind up and there will be 5,000 more Muslims in the UK claiming benefits and living on our doorsteps.

"Only the British National Party will oppose this development."

Criticism of how halal meat is produced has also sparked debate.

Traditionally, halal meat is killed by hand without stunning the animal first, and then blessed by the person doing the job, although some Muslims say a mechanised form is also now acceptable.

Julie Richards, from Pontarddulais, said: "It is absolutely barbaric. Lambs are going to be strung up and bled to death. It is not humane."

However, the possible jobs have been welcomed by some. An anonymous Post reader said: "If Carmarthenshire or Neath don't want it, can we have it in Swansea please?"

Llanelli AM Helen Mary Jones said she was pleased to hear Llanelli was being considered as a location, and branded the view of the BNP as "typical prejudice, racist misinformation".

"It is typical of them to put their narrow prejudice before the chance of good jobs for the many people in this area who are out of work," she said.

Managing director of Halal Industries UK, Mahesh Jayanarayan said: "We don't need Muslims necessarily to work there. If they are preparing food, we may have Muslim supervisors to certify it. The jobs will be given to multi-cultural skilled people and to people from the community.

"We are also not just going to have food processing, we are doing pharmaceuticals.

"We will be hiring from local schools, colleges and universities."

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Full article:
http://www.thisissouthwales.co.uk/so...l/article.html

Not exactly the kind on PR or press coverage, Nick Griffin would have wanted I don't think! Or is it?

"Managing director of Halal Industries UK, Mahesh Jayanarayan said: "We don't need Muslims necessarily to work there. If they are preparing food, we may have Muslim supervisors to certify it. The jobs will be given to multi-cultural skilled people and to people from the community."

I'm behind them [BNP & local people] on this as well, yet again the multi-cultural bandwagon rolls on and just bypasses everyone who lives there who isnt part of a minority. I would suspect also that the majority of people around that area will be behind the BNP as well hence why they oppose it. Good on them, its nice to see councillors and politicians working for their people rather than what the Lib/Lab/Con do most of the time and just vote often in the opposite way to what the people want.

We ourselves had it recently with a Liberal Democrat councillor in our area, totally ignoring what all of our street wanted and we've found out that she is often like that as well.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

"Managing director of Halal Industries UK, Mahesh Jayanarayan said: "We don't need Muslims necessarily to work there. If they are preparing food, we may have Muslim supervisors to certify it. The jobs will be given to multi-cultural skilled people and to people from the community."

I'm behind them [BNP & local people] on this as well, yet again the multi-cultural bandwagon rolls on and just bypasses everyone who lives there who isnt part of a minority. I would suspect also that the majority of people around that area will be behind the BNP as well hence why they oppose it. Good on them, its nice to see councillors and politicians working for their people rather than what the Lib/Lab/Con do most of the time and just vote often in the opposite way to what the people want.

We ourselves had it recently with a Liberal Democrat councillor in our area, totally ignoring what all of our street wanted and we've found out that she is often like that as well.

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Did you read the piece at all?

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Managing director of Halal Industries UK, Mahesh Jayanarayan said: "We don't need Muslims necessarily to work there. If they are preparing food, we may have Muslim supervisors to certify it. The jobs will be given to multi-cultural skilled people and to people from the community.

"We are also not just going to have food processing, we are doing pharmaceuticals.

"We will be hiring from local schools, colleges and universities."

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Would you rather lose all these jobs from a high unemployment area and only one local person was against it and that was because of the way they slaughter meat in the 'Halal' tradition not because of any multi-culteralism.
There is absolutely nothing to suggest the majority of people here aren't behind the plan and I very much doubt that they will. The only votes the BNP get from around here are from some of the council estates.

Tricky one with my morals really. I detest the idea of halal meat, how it is killed etc. However, banning it because there is a possibility that muslims will benefit from it is quite disgusting. As the managing director says, obviously some muslims will want to work there as they are aware of the process already. I can't say I would actually want to work there, but I see no reason you wouldn't be able to work there and not be a muslim. And, if it turns out that the jobs are filled by a majority of muslims, well then there are more jobs that crop up for those who didn't get a job here? People are always moaning about how the muslims take all of our jobs and all that crap but really, they moan when they make jobs too. It's hypocritical.

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Originally Posted by Tash.

Tricky one with my morals really. I detest the idea of halal meat, how it is killed etc. However, banning it because there is a possibility that muslims will benefit from it is quite disgusting. As the managing director says, obviously some muslims will want to work there as they are aware of the process already. I can't say I would actually want to work there, but I see no reason you wouldn't be able to work there and not be a muslim. And, if it turns out that the jobs are filled by a majority of muslims, well then there are more jobs that crop up for those who didn't get a job here? People are always moaning about how the muslims take all of our jobs and all that crap but really, they moan when they make jobs too. It's hypocritical.

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Yes well I most of us eat meat - I doubt if I would if I worked in a slaughter house. The piece is saying though that the only posts that have to be 'muslim' are the meat certifiers and that is part of the tradition.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

"Managing director of Halal Industries UK, Mahesh Jayanarayan said: "We don't need Muslims necessarily to work there. If they are preparing food, we may have Muslim supervisors to certify it. The jobs will be given to multi-cultural skilled people and to people from the community."

I'm behind them [BNP & local people] on this as well, yet again the multi-cultural bandwagon rolls on and just bypasses everyone who lives there who isnt part of a minority. I would suspect also that the majority of people around that area will be behind the BNP as well hence why they oppose it. Good on them, its nice to see councillors and politicians working for their people rather than what the Lib/Lab/Con do most of the time and just vote often in the opposite way to what the people want.

We ourselves had it recently with a Liberal Democrat councillor in our area, totally ignoring what all of our street wanted and we've found out that she is often like that as well.

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Majority? LOL no. There are subways in Manchester who provide halal meat. I guess their staff paint their faces white when they go to work. I mean non-muslims just cant get a job in a place selling halal :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Tash.

Tricky one with my morals really. I detest the idea of halal meat, how it is killed etc. However, banning it because there is a possibility that muslims will benefit from it is quite disgusting. As the managing director says, obviously some muslims will want to work there as they are aware of the process already. I can't say I would actually want to work there, but I see no reason you wouldn't be able to work there and not be a muslim. And, if it turns out that the jobs are filled by a majority of muslims, well then there are more jobs that crop up for those who didn't get a job here? People are always moaning about how the muslims take all of our jobs and all that crap but really, they moan when they make jobs too. It's hypocritical.

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Indeed. I have always been against halal meat. Its just cruel. They kill by slitting the throat of the animal and letting it bleed to death (bet u love me describing it for u dear :D).
Anywayy I agree. People moan when Muslims take the job. People moan when they create jobs. I guess its those who are uneducated or just lack the ability of compile their own thoughts. I guess that includes Undertaker if he supports this news story.

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Originally Posted by Catzsy

Yes well I most of us eat meat - I doubt if I would if I worked in a slaughter house. The piece is saying though that the only posts that have to be 'muslim' are the meat certifiers and that is part of the tradition.

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Oh yeah I know. I am a vegetarian anyway and I know for a fact I wouldn't ever meat again if I witnessed that. I wasn't speaking against this at all, not sure if you misunderstood what I wrote. The BNP are just doing what they normally do, creating controversy for controversy's sake.

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Originally Posted by Tash.

Oh yeah I know. I am a vegetarian anyway and I know for a fact I wouldn't ever meat again if I witnessed that. I wasn't speaking against this at all, not sure if you misunderstood what I wrote. The BNP are just doing what they normally do, creating controversy for controversy's sake.

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Agree with you - despite Nick Griffin trying to put on a air of respectabilty.

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Originally Posted by Tash.

Oh yeah I know. I am a vegetarian anyway and I know for a fact I wouldn't ever meat again if I witnessed that. I wasn't speaking against this at all, not sure if you misunderstood what I wrote. The BNP are just doing what they normally do, creating controversy for controversy's sake.

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If you become a member, its because you are saying you are all of the above.

Some wholesalers sell halal meat ... hmm bet all the staff are Muslims even though they are white.

Don't the likes of Tesco sell Halal meats in some of their supermarkets now if there's a large muslim population nearby?

I think it's an excellent idea, it will do wonders for the local economy, especially in times like this where there's usually talk of thousands being laid off. The workers will all live locally and I imagine they'll be a decent multiplier affect too. And surely if they're in work, they won't be claiming benefits?

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Originally Posted by Jordy

Don't the likes of Tesco sell Halal meats in some of their supermarkets now if there's a large muslim population nearby?

I think it's an excellent idea, it will do wonders for the local economy, especially in times like this where there's usually talk of thousands being laid off. The workers will all live locally and I imagine they'll be a decent multiplier affect too. And surely if they're in work, they won't be claiming benefits?

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Exactly what I was thinking. If they arent in a job, people flame them saying they steal benefits. They get a job then they flame them for stealing jobs.

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Originally Posted by Catzsy

Did you read the piece at all?

Would you rather lose all these jobs from a high unemployment area and only one local person was against it and that was because of the way they slaughter meat in the 'Halal' tradition not because of any multi-culteralism.
There is absolutely nothing to suggest the majority of people here aren't behind the plan and I very much doubt that they will. The only votes the BNP get from around here are from some of the council estates.

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If i'm quite honest yes, I doubt anyone else would be allowed to treat animals in such a way so why on earth should muslims be allowed to?

You say BNP get votes from council estates, but the same goes for Labour. All areas which have problems often with many criminals within vote for Labour and more recently, the BNP. The reason? - because Labour provides their benefits system and without Labour they would be in trouble would they not. As I have said before, do not slam the BNP on racial issues anyway because your party also judges people on their race.

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Originally Posted by Dander

Majority? LOL no. There are subways in Manchester who provide halal meat. I guess their staff paint their faces white when they go to work. I mean non-muslims just cant get a job in a place selling halal :rolleyes:

Indeed. I have always been against halal meat. Its just cruel. They kill by slitting the throat of the animal and letting it bleed to death (bet u love me describing it for u dear :D). Anywayy I agree. People moan when Muslims take the job. People moan when they create jobs. I guess its those who are uneducated or just lack the ability of compile their own thoughts. I guess that includes Undertaker if he supports this news story.

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Hang on, you find it cruel so why are you for this?

Being for something just because the BNP are against it, grow up mate and compile a mind of your own.

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Originally Posted by Jordy

Don't the likes of Tesco sell Halal meats in some of their supermarkets now if there's a large muslim population nearby?

I think it's an excellent idea, it will do wonders for the local economy, especially in times like this where there's usually talk of thousands being laid off. The workers will all live locally and I imagine they'll be a decent multiplier affect too. And surely if they're in work, they won't be claiming benefits?

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Very well said. +REP


Banning development because they think all of the jobs would go to Muslim people only is wrong and should NEVER be allowed. It would be good for the local area. BNP need to go, they are the worst party in this country.

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Originally Posted by Jordy

Don't the likes of Tesco sell Halal meats in some of their supermarkets now if there's a large muslim population nearby?

I think it's an excellent idea, it will do wonders for the local economy, especially in times like this where there's usually talk of thousands being laid off. The workers will all live locally and I imagine they'll be a decent multiplier affect too. And surely if they're in work, they won't be claiming benefits?

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Indeed Jordy. Excellent post. +rep when I can. @ Undertaker - do not tell me what I can or cannot do or cannot think. I think the BNP are racist and the main parties are not. That is my opinion. I do not tell you what to think or what to post or not post so please respect my right to have my own opinion which I believe is actually stated in the rules. I feel your views on who votes Labour are so 1960s/1970s as well - it's a very long time since Labour had to rely on votes from council estates.

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Originally Posted by Catzsy

Indeed Jordy. Excellent post. +rep when I can. @ Undertaker - do not tell me what I can or cannot do or cannot think. I think the BNP are racist and the main parties are not. That is my opinion. I do not tell you what to think or what not to post or not post so please respect my right to have my own opinion which I believe is actually stated in the rules. Your views on who votes Labour are so 1960s/1970s as well - it's a very long time since Labour had to rely on votes from council estates.

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Indeed you do have a right to an opinion and nobody is saying you have not. I am stating that although you call the BNP racist your own party [Labour] discriminates based on the colour of somebodies skin which is also by definition, racism.

You cant have it both ways to suit your own way.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

Indeed you do have a right to an opinion and nobody is saying you have not. I am stating that although you call the BNP racist your own party [Labour] discriminates based on the colour of somebodies skin which is also by definition, racism.

You cant have it both ways to suit your own way.

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Yes I can because I don't believe they do. That is my opinion. Your opinion is different. End of. This thread is about the BNP being against a Halal plant anyway and you are again covering old ground and just repeating what you have said in many other threads. You get way too personal with people. This is about issues not what you think about members.

There are plenty of people unemployed (who would prefer not to live on benefits, whatever the media exaggerates) and so creating new jobs is a good thing, end of. There will always be racism, sexism, weightism, heightism, beautism (discrimination against ugly people, LOL I made that term up but it does exist. Anyone know the real name?) and so to ban jobs just because of a potential risk of that is ridiculous when it could benefit a thousand people.

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Originally Posted by Catzsy

Yes I can because I don't believe they do. That is my opinion. Your opinion is different. End of. This thread is about the BNP being against a Halal plant anyway and you are again covering old ground and just repeating what you have said in many other threads. You get way too personal with people. This is about issues not what you think about members.

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It isnt opinion though because it is fact. The Labour Party proposes/supports/has candidate shortlists based on the racial makeup of someone and the BNP proposes to have racist policies based on the racial makeup of someone.

If you are going to post threads slamming the BNP then you have got to learn to be able to take some of it yourself, especially when both your own parties policies and the BNPs policies are both based on race with the only difference being the colour of the skin they are discriminating against - so please to not pretend to be morally superior to the BNP when discussing issues such as this because you are not. Its not getting personal, its a democratic debate and thank heavens we have that [to an extent] in this country.

Do you agree with Halal meat?

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

It isnt opinion though because it is fact. The Labour Party proposes/supports/has candidate shortlists based on the racial makeup of someone and the BNP proposes to have racist policies based on the racial makeup of someone.

If you are going to post threads slamming the BNP then you have got to learn to be able to take some of it yourself, especially when both your own parties policies and the BNPs policies are both based on race with the only difference being the colour of the skin they are discriminating against - so please to not pretend to be morally superior to the BNP when discussing issues such as this because you are not. Its not getting personal, its a democratic debate.

Do you agree with Halal meat?

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I am just sticking to the topic in question. This is not the debates section and you are getting personal as the parts in bold justify. I have posted a newspaper article not a personal attack on the BNP. It maybe fact to you. It is not to me. At least there is something ontopic here. Agree with Halal meat. I don't know enough about it to make a valid comment. It is no different I dare say to the Jewish views on food. They have their own ways which is fine by me.

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Originally Posted by Catzsy

I am just sticking to the topic in question. This is not the debates section and you are getting personal as the parts in bold justify. I have posted a newspaper article not a personal attack on the BNP. It maybe fact to you. It is not to me. At least there is something ontopic here. Agree with Halal meat. I don't know enough about it to make a valid comment. It is no different I dare say to the Jewish views on food. They have their own ways which is fine by me.

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Hang on a second, you dont really have an opinion on it yet have said "The only votes the BNP get from around here are from some of the council estates." and "Agree with you - despite Nick Griffin trying to put on a air of respectabilty." - so as I suspected although you may not agree with the cruel treatment of animals that comes with Halal meat, you will do anything to slam the BNP even if you possibly agree with the BNPs opposition to this proposed Halal plant.

On the factual part; no i'm afraid it is fact because as numerous links have proven; Labour proposes/has candidate shortlists based on race.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

Hang on a second, you dont really have an opinion on it yet have said "The only votes the BNP get from around here are from some of the council estates." and "Agree with you - despite Nick Griffin trying to put on a air of respectabilty." - so as I suspected although you may not agree with the cruel treatment of animals that comes with Halal meat, you will do anything to slam the BNP even if you possibly agree with the BNPs opposition to this proposed Halal plant.

To add to the quotes from myself; i'm terribly sorry for calling you 'you', in future I shall use another word to refrain from being personal. :rolleyes:

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Of course I have an opinion but the thread posted was about a newspaper article - this is no different from your UKIP threads.:S Honestly you are unbelievable - you take my genuine ignorance about Halal meat to suggest that that I may not agree with the 'cruelty of animals' then go on to say that because of this I do anything to slam the BNP. Do you know that is quite pathetic and not even worth an answer. I am glad you have decided to refrain from being personal except that there is many 'you's in the above post so I can't see it happening.

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Originally Posted by Catzsy

Of course I have an opinion but the thread posted was about a newspaper article - this is no different from your UKIP threads.:S Honestly you are unbelievable - you take my genuine ignorance about Halal meat to suggest that that I may not agree with the 'cruelty of animals' then go on to say that I should therefore oppose the plant. Do you know that is quite pathetic and not even worth an answer. I am glad you have decided to refrain from being personal except that there is many 'you's in the above quote.

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Ok then, so provided you did some research say on Halal meat and came to the conclusion that it is cruel and barbaric, you would then support the BNP in its stance against this proposed Halal meat plant? - I know as well as you do that you posted this thread in an attempt to slam the BNP despite the fact it looks as though you dont even have an opinion on Halal meat. I mean if you are that determined to slam the BNP and have a go at it, you could of at least picked a topic where you had some real opinion that differs to that of their own.

I don't like the sounds of how animals are killed for halal meat.

I have a lot more to add, regarding Muslims, it's not racist - I have Muslim friends, but I believe there are great incompatibilities with Muslim beliefs and the British way of life. I doubt anybody wants to hear though, so I shall remain quiet.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

you would then support the BNP in its stance against this proposed Halal meat plant?

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No because it creates jobs, jobs that we need atm.

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Originally Posted by Inseriousity.

No because it creates jobs, jobs that we need atm.

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Well not that I was asking you but still, do you agree with the treatment of animals in the creation of Halal meat?

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

Ok then, so provided you did some research say on Halal meat and came to the conclusion that it is cruel and barbaric, you would then support the BNP in its stance against this proposed Halal meat plant? - I know as well as you do that you posted this thread in an attempt to slam the BNP despite the fact it looks as though you dont even have an opinion on Halal meat. I mean if you are that determined to slam the BNP and have a go at it, you could of at least picked a topic where you had some real opinion that differs to that of their own.

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LOL:D I do have a real opinion. I am not interested in what the company manufactures - it is their opposition to a £150 mil being invested in our local economy and approx 1500 jobs. Compared to that the 'meat factor' is low down on the priority list. Well you seem to know everything as to why the members say and do things. It must be a gift:rolleyes: Now unless you have anything to say about the actual topic I will not be replying to you in this thread again because it just goes on and on. Have the last word and then we can move on to others opinions. Thanks.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

Well not that I was asking you but still, do you agree with the treatment of animals in the creation of Halal meat?

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Of course it's not ideal and I would much prefer a nice humane way of killing animals but I would also much rather have a job and I am pretty sure most human beings would say the same.

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Originally Posted by Catzsy

LOL:D I do have a real opinion. I am not interested in what the company manufactures - it is their opposition to a £150 mil being invested in our local economy and approx 1500 jobs. Compared to that the 'meat factor' is low down on the priority list. Well you seem to know everything as to why the members say and do things. It must be a gift:rolleyes: Now unless you have anything to say about the actual topic I will not be replying to you in this thread again because it just goes on and on. Have the last word and then we can move on to others opinions. Thanks.

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Well i'm glad you have now formed some sort of opinion on Halal meat and that now it makes sense for you to have an opinion on the BNPs opposition to the proposed plant being built because you believe the meat to not be an issue and the BNPs opposition to be in the wrong. I am glad we got there, see I was confused earlier on because you were not keen on giving me a viewpoint on whether or not you agree with Halal meat, thus giving the impression that you were opposing the BNP just because it was the BNP and not on whether or not you agreed with it.

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Originally Posted by Inseriousity.

Of course it's not ideal and I would much prefer a nice humane way of killing animals but I would also much rather have a job and I am pretty sure most human beings would say the same.

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Well i'm glad you have an opinion on the issue and are not just against the BNP opposing it because of the fact they are the BNP, thanks for answering and clearing that up. :)

I would rather stand by my morals... that's just me though.

Halal is by far the most inhumane and worst way to kill an animal you could wish for :o If this was not done in the name of a religeon full of hypocrites picking the bits out the kuran that suit them there would be uproar and the the RSPCA would be going crazy.

I agree with the BNP here but believe they should consider being renamed the ENP :o I am sick of the Welsh and the Scots getting extra perks out of the tax pot ALL of britain pays in to. I think its about time England cast off these countries and they stood on their own 2 feet with their own tax systems and then do as they please with their industries.

I find it a little rich from the Welsh shouting about the BNP racists and thats because Wales is the 2nd most racist place I have ever witnessed in my life and the only one I find more racist is Scotland. I spent almost 12 months in Wales and have travelled all over the world so do have a lot to base this accusation on.

I do admit there are a higher percentage of racists in the BNP than most other political parties but they do have some great policies but people just jump straight on them shouting racist even if they were going to do something amazing for ALL of us.

Halal meat is wrong in every way. However you need to remember that if this plant is not in place then the meat can simply be imported from other areas, the demand for Halal meat will still be there whether this plant is there or not. The simple fact is that this plant should be built or the meat will just come from elsewhere. People should be given jobs whether they are black, white or asian, it shouldn't factor it.

I'm sorry JRH but I completely disagree with you. Just because you would consider some of their policies good it doesn't mean you should vote for them. It doesn't detract from the fact that they wish to unjustly prioritise white people above everyone else and clearly don't understand how immigration massively benefits this country through both tax and cheap labour. If you don't believe me then tell me why since immigration has increased so has Economic growth?

To everyone voting BNP, UKIP because of New Labour: Tell me if Labour is so bad why they have overseen the longest period of Economic growth in recorded history which was only ended because of a Global Recession?

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Originally Posted by FlyDuo

Halal meat is wrong in every way. However you need to remember that if this plant is not in place then the meat can simply be imported from other areas, the demand for Halal meat will still be there whether this plant is there or not. The simple fact is that this plant should be built or the meat will just come from elsewhere. People should be given jobs whether they are black, white or asian, it shouldn't factor it.

I'm sorry JRH but I completely disagree with you. Just because you would consider some of their policies good it doesn't mean you should vote for them. It doesn't detract from the fact that they wish to unjustly prioritise white people above everyone else and clearly don't understand how immigration massively benefits this country through both tax and cheap labour. If you don't believe me then tell me why since immigration has increased so has Economic growth?

To everyone voting BNP, UKIP because of New Labour: Tell me if Labour is so bad why they have overseen the longest period of Economic growth in recorded history which was only ended because of a Global Recession?

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That is why many on this forum and around the country have chosen the conservative UK Independance Party over the socialist British National Party. Most people want immigration; I want it, everyone I know wants it. However what yourself, Labour and the other two ruling parties fail to grasp is that we want controlled immigration which does not allow militants into the UK, does not allow people who we do not require into the UK and a system which does not allow criminals into the UK. Now please tell me what is so wrong with that, its a simple request yet the three main parties simply refuse to give us that system we want. The big and vital difference between UKIP & and the BNP is that UKIP wants to allow those who wish to work hard and help our economy and those who want to be part of our way of life to come here whereas the BNP wishes to close the door completely.

The second point; the general well-being of an economy is not down to a government, it is down to global growth in most cases. You say it was a global recession - true yet you fail to mention the fact it was global growth also. I dont blame the government for the recession and I never would, capitalism requires boom and bust to function and whether we had UKIP, the Liberal Democrats or the Greens incharge it would of occured.

What I have conflicts over are;

• The refusal of the government to cut down on the immense waste.
• The ever-rising taxes to fund this immense waste.
• The refusal of government to adopt common sense policies.
• The nationalisation of the banks which has failed as banks are still refusing to lend to small business.

That is what we are annoyed about and that is why we are fed up to the back teeth, we look at the three main parties and we see more of the same although I would applaud your leader Nick Clegg for at least adopting a partly Thatcherite policy in regards to the economy, although it does not go far enough. UKIP on the other hand do go far enough.

Good, the more jobs the better in my opinion. I disagree with halal but think it's hypocritical when these people complain who I doubt eat organic meat. The conditions and methods of killing in slaughterhouses certainly give no cause to take a moral highground.

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Originally Posted by jrh2002

Halal is by far the most inhumane and worst way to kill an animal you could wish for :o If this was not done in the name of a religeon full of hypocrites picking the bits out the kuran that suit them there would be uproar and the the RSPCA would be going crazy.

I agree with the BNP here but believe they should consider being renamed the ENP :o I am sick of the Welsh and the Scots getting extra perks out of the tax pot ALL of britain pays in to. I think its about time England cast off these countries and they stood on their own 2 feet with their own tax systems and then do as they please with their industries.

I find it a little rich from the Welsh shouting about the BNP racists and thats because Wales is the 2nd most racist place I have ever witnessed in my life and the only one I find more racist is Scotland. I spent almost 12 months in Wales and have travelled all over the world so do have a lot to base this accusation on.

I do admit there are a higher percentage of racists in the BNP than most other political parties but they do have some great policies but people just jump straight on them shouting racist even if they were going to do something amazing for ALL of us.

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If you are talking about the welsh nationalists I would agree with you. The majority of them are anti - english but are a very small minority in Wales. I think your opinion is rather over the top though as the majority of people living in Wales are most definitely not. Can't talk about Scotland as I don't know enough about it. As far as the Barnet formula is concerned I would agree with you as it is outdated and needs looking at. Again your views are somewhat over the top as Wales and Scotland are part of the UK unless you want independence for England? By the way I am actually English but live in Wales :P This thread though is about the BNP opposing investment and jobs in Wales - would you begrudge that if you want 'Wales' to stand on it's own two feet? What amazing thing could the BNP do for us all ?

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I'm sorry JRH but I completely disagree with you. Just because you would consider some of their policies good it doesn't mean you should vote for them. It doesn't detract from the fact that they wish to unjustly prioritise white people above everyone else and clearly don't understand how immigration massively benefits this country through both tax and cheap labour. If you don't believe me then tell me why since immigration has increased so has Economic growth?

To everyone voting BNP, UKIP because of New Labour: Tell me if Labour is so bad why they have overseen the longest period of Economic growth in recorded history which was only ended because of a Global Recession?

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Immigration is fine and much needed as long as that person comes here to contribute to society and fill skilled jobs where we are lacking numbers and expertese from our very own UK citizens. We have so many economical migrants/immigrants/illegal immigrants who have rolled up here and claim our benefits from the pot they have never paid in to so is that ok? I wish to put all UK tax payers before any freeloader be it an immigrant or a benefits claimer.
The more I feel that I am being let down by this country the more sympathetic I get towards the BNP like millions of others will so if us law abiding tax payers dont stop being taken for mugs we will revolt and if that upsets people then good. The amount of support the BNP are starting to get must make the big parties realise they need to put things right before it does end in disaster.

The economic growth you talk about was built on a bubble of borrowing and pumping money in and making all these quangos etc which lowered unemployment by giving people jobs that really were never needed to exist. Look at the NHS employing 3 times the amount of management to the amount of people on the floor like the nurses and doctors :s is that right? The bubble of debt got so big of course it was going to go POP. When labour got in to power look at the level of debt the country had and also look at the level of debt there was when they got in the time before that :o now look at the level of debt they left last time they were voted out and also how much we are in now. Spend spend spend instead of save in the good times and have plenty to keep us afloat in the bad.

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If you are talking about the welsh nationalists I would agree with you. The majority of them are anti - english but are a very small minority in Wales. I think your opinion is rather over the top though as the majority of people living in Wales are most definitely not. Can't talk about Scotland as I don't know enough about it. As far as the Barnet formula is concerned I would agree with you as it is outdated and needs looking at. Again your views are somewhat over the top as Wales and Scotland are part of the UK unless you want independence for England? By the way I am actually English but live in Wales :P This thread though is about the BNP opposing investment and jobs in Wales - would you begrudge that if you want 'Wales' to stand on it's own two feet? What amazing thing could the BNP do for us all ?

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I dont agree with halal being allowed to be produced in the UK and believe they should have to import it if they want it here. I want all us tax payers treating the same if we all pay in and take out of the same pot :) If Scotland have free uni and the welsh free prescriptions then that is just wrong when the english who pay the majority of tax pay all this money out :o so its either equal for all or else I would like an independent England and then I can say I am English without being told it no longer exists and I am british. The Barnett formula is just a joke thought up by drunks i think lol. Of course Wales can do what it likes with its industry and should thank the BNP for highlighting this because when the factory does open there will be a lot of eyes on who it employs which will now have to be a fairer mixture of people instead of a top heavy amount of muslims that is what probably would have happened without this song and dance. If the UK is not equal for every tax payer like it should be and gives one countries people high cost benefits over another countries people then surely the only option would be to split up the UK? Seems what europe want and tried to do for 100s of years.

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Immigration is fine and much needed as long as that person comes here to contribute to society and fill skilled jobs where we are lacking numbers and expertese from our very own UK citizens. We have so many economical migrants/immigrants/illegal immigrants who have rolled up here and claim our benefits from the pot they have never paid in to so is that ok? I wish to put all UK tax payers before any freeloader be it an immigrant or a benefits claimer.
The more I feel that I am being let down by this country the more sympathetic I get towards the BNP like millions of others will so if us law abiding tax payers dont stop being taken for mugs we will revolt and if that upsets people then good. The amount of support the BNP are starting to get must make the big parties realise they need to put things right before it does end in disaster.

The economic growth you talk about was built on a bubble of borrowing and pumping money in and making all these quangos etc which lowered unemployment by giving people jobs that really were never needed to exist. Look at the NHS employing 3 times the amount of management to the amount of people on the floor like the nurses and doctors :s is that right? The bubble of debt got so big of course it was going to go POP. When labour got in to power look at the level of debt the country had and also look at the level of debt there was when they got in the time before that :o now look at the level of debt they left last time they were voted out and also how much we are in now. Spend spend spend instead of save in the good times and have plenty to keep us afloat in the bad.



I dont agree with halal being allowed to be produced in the UK and believe they should have to import it if they want it here. I want all us tax payers treating the same if we all pay in and take out of the same pot :) If Scotland have free uni and the welsh free prescriptions then that is just wrong when the english who pay the majority of tax pay all this money out :o so its either equal for all or else I would like an independent England and then I can say I am English without being told it no longer exists and I am british. The Barnett formula is just a joke thought up by drunks i think lol. Of course Wales can do what it likes with its industry and should thank the BNP for highlighting this because when the factory does open there will be a lot of eyes on who it employs which will now have to be a fairer mixture of people instead of a top heavy amount of muslims that is what probably would have happened without this song and dance. If the UK is not equal for every tax payer like it should be and gives one countries people high cost benefits over another countries people then surely the only option would be to split up the UK? Seems what europe want and tried to do for 100s of years.

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A well constructed post some of which I agree with. Free prescriptions are great but don't assume it comes from the extra money as our NHS waiting lists are a lot longer. But the Barnet formula should be scrapped as there are just as many 'deprived areas in England ' They do waste a lot of money down here on pouring millions into a 100% equal welsh/english language where less than 20% actually speak fluently it and less write it. They should spend the money proportinate to the amount who do speak it. I will probably get flamed for that! Don't agree that the factory would have employed a majority of muslims as they have made a statement to the reverse and I do not have any basis to think they are lying. Its not the opposition so much as the scare mongering attached to it particularly from the BNP councillor.