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Should be interesting to hear what he has to say because i can see a lot of people voting for his party as they are "the middle" so to speak :)!
also i like this immigration system he's talking about but what is he planning to do about the areas which are already over populated with immigrants.
watching it, but you spelt Clegg wrong
he's walked into a trap - GB nor DC are going with paxman.Quote:
Originally Posted by luce
oh yeah i typed it wrong but you can clearly see that so why point it out :)!Quote:
Originally Posted by Cheryl
Who's Nick Clegg?
Leader of the Liberal Democrats.
Sorted, Lucy :D I do think he is one of the most believable of the candidates and I like his policy no tax under 10k.Quote:
Originally Posted by luce
The policy they took from the UKIP manifesto?Quote:
Originally Posted by Catzsy
Indeed, it is a good policy. Although I dont think people understand the Liberal Democrats properly, one of their more stupid policies is the scrapping of the Trident missile system which is a vital part of national defence.
labour had a baby and called it lib dems
Remind me, when was the UKIP Manifesto announced?Quote:
Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-
The mini-manifesto which included this policy was launched back in March (19th) and the policy has been a UKIP one since 2006. I have no issues with other parties using good policies which will benefit the country, but to pass it off as your own is just quite childish and rather petty I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by FlyDuo
Thats funny because the Liberal Democrats was before that with the Spring Party Conference finishing on March 15thQuote:
Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-
It has been a policy of the Liberal Democrats in past elections (Not £10,000 but raising the threshold). Just because UKIP are adopting their policy this time around it doesn't make it UKIPs idea originally.Quote:
Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-
Also I have no problem with parties using the same policies. No one is stealing anything, all it means is they share common ground on a certain area. Lets be honest, raising the income tax threshold is hardly a revolutionary idea is it?
Indeed the Liberal Democrats held their spring conference on March 15th and have only just announced their £10,000 tax rate policy within the recent weeks that have led upto the election while it has been a UKIP policy since 2006 and was again mentioned in the UKIP Spring Conference. I agree that there is not anything revolutionary or wrong with taking policies from eachother however its good if you can admit it sometimes whereas the Liberal Democrats seem to be putting it across in a way in which its their own idea with everyone head over heels for Nick Clegg for some reason. UKIP have not adopted the policy this time, it has been policy since 2006.Quote:
Originally Posted by FlyDuo
As this thread is about the Liberal Democrats, any Liberal Democrats here care to show me or teach me the sense in scrapping our independent Trident system or raising taxes on the well off which would only drive them away thus deepening the deficeit in taxation as we learned in the 1970s?
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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-
well if you think about how expensive trident is £100bn, it would seem that a large reduction would be good for the taxpayers' wallet.
The renewal of Trident as far as I am aware stands at the £20 billion mark (lets say £25 million as most things go over budget) and is central to the national defence. In a nuclear age, you could dismantle all your military forces and keep your nuclear defence systems and nobody would or could touch you. I dont think you or the Liberal Democrats realise how central the Trident system is to the national security of the United Kingdom; China is rising and it is vital that we keep an independent nuclear system which can counter any Chinese threats/blackmail, as well as maintaining our national sovereignty from other powers such as France and the United States of America.Quote:
Originally Posted by alexxxxx
i wrote a decent response but i accidently clicked off so ill summarise.Quote:
Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-
banthebomb (not exactly an unbiased source) says it costs £25bn to build and £1bn a year.
greenpeace say that itll be closer to £97bn - again not a partisan source
i should imagine itll cost somewhere in between, probably not nearly as high at 97bn.
national defense is important but due to its 'emotional' attachment it doesn't get nearly as much scrutiny.
The cost then (with those two sources in mind) I would put at near the governments offical figures as they will want to be seen to keeping costs down, so i'd put it at the £25 billion to £30 billion region. It isnt an emotional attachment, its a matter of life or death if we ever find ourselves in a situation like the Cold War yet again. It deserves scrutiny, but at the end of the day its rockets and rockets which should only be used at the most urgent of times, more to be used as a defensive point more so. It retains national sovereignty and military sovereignty for the United Kingdom and is vital to national defence. For example; it wouldnt matter how many troops you had if the other side has a number of nuclear weapons.Quote:
Originally Posted by alexxxxx