An interesting read for all of you Eurosceptics and Europhobes out there :)
http://www.jcm.org.uk/blog/?p=2230
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An interesting read for all of you Eurosceptics and Europhobes out there :)
http://www.jcm.org.uk/blog/?p=2230
Wow talk about using good sources (EUTOPIA, in search of a European identity)
Firstly as the article rightly says, the only figure properly given was the figure from the German study which puts the figure at 84%. As Germany is comparable in size to the United Kingdom the figure is roughly around the 75% mark. This is fact hence why business and so many people are against the European Union and its influential powers, of course as a Liberal Democrat you would love nothing less than for us to sign upto the euro and accepting more European powers from Brussels. I know you are keen on posting threads and then running off and not returning the reply, but why dont you actually answer this for once which is a Liberal Democrat policy (on hold at the moment).
The Liberal Democrats want the United Kingdom to adopt the euro as our currency, explain to me why we should do this?
To add to the topic at hand, thousands upon thousands of pieces of legislation come from Brussels every year which account for the 75% figure because it outpaces Westminister easily. The aim is to create a European Superstate and you only have to read or hear from the likes of the corrupt Jose Barroso (head of the unelected European Commission) that he considers the European Union as an Empire (his words and not mine or those of UKIP). They have stated that the aim is economic, political and social union and have denied us a say on the matter at every turn. A British Prime Minister now finds himself and his government powerless in the face of EU legislation which covers the justice system, the economy sector, business sectors, immigration policy and various other branches of government.
Can I also ask, FlyDuo, do you support giving the British people a referendum on our EU membership? (afterall, you are a 'Democrat'?)
Hey you use the Daily mail. I got told off for critisising sources before.Quote:
Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-
Perhaps you should re-read the part about German part. You should also read about how the two main British independent bodies concluded that it created less than 1 in 5 laws and how UKIPs "75%" is highly flawed.Quote:
Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-
Sorry I don't run away and don't reply. I'm doing door to door campaigning, online campaigning and my coursework in the vast majority of my free time at the moment. If I could spend more time here then I would, I assure you. As for the Euro please point me to the relevant section in the Liberal Democrats manifesto where they say they want to adopt the Euro, oh wait. You can't. It doesn't exist.Quote:
Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-
I don't see a problem with "an ever closer Union". The thing with you Undertaker is I don't think you understand Supranationality. The UK government isn't "powerless" at all, it can do whatever the hell it wants and there is no one to stop it. Remember that time when the EU stopped the invasion of Iraq? No? Me neither.Quote:
Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-
Well you see, when posting a general story its rather suitable to use a tabloid or a general newspaper. However when disputing figures its not that good to use biased sites. Thats the difference, its like if I use the Daily Mail or Express to post the news on a volcano erupting, it doesnt matter but it does matter when you are posting about figures.Quote:
Hey you use the Daily mail. I got told off for critisising sources before.
I have read the German part and have been aware of the German study for the past year or so (unlike you who seems to search 'ukip bad EU good') and posts whatever comes up. The German Federal structure is differing from the United Kingdom but the British studies are unlikely to count the regulations and effects it has on curbing British legislation when its being made, which is the bulk of EU legislation.Quote:
Perhaps you should re-read the part about German part. You should also read about how the two main British independent bodies concluded that it created less than 1 in 5 laws and how UKIPs "75%" is highly flawed.
Indeed you do run away because you have not once replied to anything regarding Liberal Democrat policy. You post something, I and others reply and you seem to simply disappear/ignore the reply. The Liberal Democrats do support joining the euro just Nick Clegg has put that on hold for the moment (check newspaper sources across the internet for proof).Quote:
Sorry I don't run away and don't reply. I'm doing door to door campaigning, online campaigning and my coursework in the vast majority of my free time at the moment. If I could spend more time here then I would, I assure you. As for the Euro please point me to the relevant section in the Liberal Democrats manifesto where they say they want to adopt the Euro, oh wait. You can't. It doesn't exist.
You may want a European Superstate, the people do not. So as a Democrat, do you support the idea that the British people should be given a say on whether they want the British government to dictate British affairs and foreign policy or the European Union to dictate those affairs. We fought two world wars and a Cold war to stop this very thing occuring and even the last President of the USSR, Gorbachev has said the European Union is the re-creation of the Soviet Union in Western Europe.Quote:
I don't see a problem with "an ever closer Union". The thing with you Undertaker is I don't think you understand Supranationality. The UK government isn't "powerless" at all, it can do whatever the hell it wants and there is no one to stop it. Remember that time when the EU stopped the invasion of Iraq? No? Me neither.
The European Union did not stop the invasion of Iraq because it has no right to do so and although the invasion of Iraq was totally wrong, it is sovereign British military policy (something which the EU is trying to eliminate with the creation of an EU army) and as I state in the brackets, they are now calling for a European Armed Forces which would eventually replace the national armed forces of the United Kingdom and other European nations. I really do not understand what you do not understand about the fact that the British people do not want a European Union?
The French said no.
The Dutch said no.
The Irish said no.
We would of said no.
..'no' means no.
Now do you or do you not support the British people having their say [a referendum] on whether we want to be a part of this? yes/no
You might want to take a look at this.Quote:
Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-
You may want to read the article you are quoting;Quote:
Originally Posted by Neversoft
..and also read what I said when I mentioned this;Quote:
The leader of Britain’s third-biggest party said on Wednesday euro entry was not an option at the moment, effectively taking membership of the single currency off the political agenda for the foreseeable future.
The (on hold at the moment) being the key and obvious part hence why I pointed it out which is that the policy is on hold at the moment but remains a policy, so in conclusion as I stated; the Liberal Democrats do want us to adopt the euro as our currency thus abandoning the sovereign currency of the pound sterling which effectively means Britain loses her economic sovereignty.Quote:
of course as a Liberal Democrat you would love nothing less than for us to sign upto the euro and accepting more European powers from Brussels. I know you are keen on posting threads and then running off and not returning the reply, but why dont you actually answer this for once which is a Liberal Democrat policy (on hold at the moment).
FlyDuo if you are going to reply to Undertaker at least read what he has said properly. Then read it once more. It's been known for plenty of time that the Lib Dems back joining the euro and only after being criticised did Clegg state it was 'not an option at the moment'.
You may want to read all of the article before quoting;Quote:
Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-
"Clegg said there was a long-term case for considering entry into the euro, but only after a referendum."
Clegg may want us to join the euro but whether it'll happen or not is another story.
Ill tell you one thing, there will be riots on the streets before we surrounder the pound sterling!. Never shall we join the Euro and therefore hand over control of our currency to brussels. It wont happen now or NEVER even as much as you liberals want us to, the british public WILL NOT let you hand over our currency. END OF.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neversoft
Its quite amusing how people who support the liberals havnt actually read their own manifesto.... goes to show how deluded they are.
The same Nick Clegg who ordered his MPs to abstain on the vote deciding whether or not we had a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty despite the fact it was a promise in their 2005 election manifesto to support a referendum on EU reformal?; http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle3449054.eceQuote:
Originally Posted by Neversoft
So I hope you'll understand that when it comes to referendums the Liberal 'Democrats' dont have such a good record, in short; they lied.
I'm backing the UKIP and would never vote Liberal in my life time. I was simply pointing out how Liberal's plan to adopt the euro is hazy. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by jam666
Im sorry :P, just from your post you came accross as a liberal. Sorry for getting the wrong end of the stick :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Neversoft