Before you read I know some of these are controversial. They're welcome to adjustments. Just saying yes/no isn't really useful. If you don't think we need them then explain why. It's a fact that HxF is no longer the most active Habbo Forum but I think it so easily could be as Habbox is easily the biggest and most influential fansite across Habbo. Even foreign hotels don't have a fansite like this.
It's mainly based around a problem that has been highlighted a good eight or so months ago now and has never really been directly combated effectively, membership retention. We have so many people signing up and then not posting or staying active for long. It has been put down to attitudes of older members, I don't buy this whatsoever. In no way is this forum more exclusive than others that do well.
Put the blab in spoiler, just why I made this thread etc:)
Keeping members at HxF
I think the only reason they don't stay is because it's so hard to become established on here. I look at the members who have posted recently who don't have really high post counts or a join date from years ago and they're mostly users who have come back from a ban.
Everything on this forum is putting new people off:
- Avatars
- Arcade
- Reputation
- Join Date
- Post count
- User rank
Avatars
Sure OK, they're progressive and it could be argued it's an incentive to post and be active to try and get a bigger avatar. In reality, I don't think that's the case. Small avatars look awful, I can't have an avatar that looks good which is annoying but I can't because the size makes them look ridiculous. I don't see why all users can't have the simple 150x150. People aren't going to stop buying donator or become less active because of an avatar.
Arcade
Again, why can't this just be open to all users... I feel it would benefit the forum more. If new users, came on, enjoyed the arcade and were given full access maybe they'd come back again just to use the arcade and even if they make 5 or so posts each time they come on it's still a help. I also think the arcade scores should be wiped, make it more active.
Reputation
It's really hard to move up the reputation ladder. It's unlikely any other 'new' user would get that much. I think this should either be scrapped entirely. Reputation doesn't make people stay, or at least it shouldn't but it defo puts people off.
Join Date
Thinking behind this is maybe if there wasn't proof they were a new user, they wouldn't feel so new. It's not important at all and I don't think this should be displayed when you post. Or at least have the option, if possible for it not to be displayed on the forum.
Post count
Seeing as the forum has been open so long some people have mammoth post counts. Again, I think if possible people should be allowed to make it so it doesn't display. Maybe even some of the more active users would do it to not look as addicted.
User Rank
The bronze stars are disgusting. Can't these just be replaced with userbars "new user" "loyal member" "legendary". Whatever. I just hate the star system and I think having a horrid star under your name would put you off the forum.
A lot of these are related to the fact the forum is so old. People who are new feel intimidated by the older members, even if they aren't threatening. If people were able to hide there own which are insignificant in comparison then maybe they'd be more inclined to post.
Anyway, I know these are controversial and I'd be surprised if anyone actually agreed but I think the systems we have at the moment although they work fine they put new members off the forum. If these were changed, I genuinely believe we could attract new people and make them stay. With the merge coming more people will be visiting and if we can make them stay, you'll be laughing!
17-05-2010, 06:32 PM
dogboy123
Quote:
Originally Posted by lorren
Before you read I know some of these are controversial. They're welcome to adjustments. Just saying yes/no isn't really useful. If you don't think we need them then explain why. It's a fact that HxF is no longer the most active Habbo Forum but I think it so easily could be as Habbox is easily the biggest and most influential fansite across Habbo. Even foreign hotels don't have a fansite like this.
It's mainly based around a problem that has been highlighted a good eight or so months ago now and has never really been directly combated effectively, membership retention. We have so many people signing up and then not posting or staying active for long. It has been put down to attitudes of older members, I don't buy this whatsoever. In no way is this forum more exclusive than others that do well.
Put the blab in spoiler, just why I made this thread etc:)
Keeping members at HxF
I think the only reason they don't stay is because it's so hard to become established on here. I look at the members who have posted recently who don't have really high post counts or a join date from years ago and they're mostly users who have come back from a ban.
Everything on this forum is putting new people off:
- Avatars
- Arcade
- Reputation
- Join Date
- Post count
- User rank
Avatars
Sure OK, they're progressive and it could be argued it's an incentive to post and be active to try and get a bigger avatar. In reality, I don't think that's the case. Small avatars look awful, I can't have an avatar that looks good which is annoying but I can't because the size makes them look ridiculous. I don't see why all users can't have the simple 150x150. People aren't going to stop buying donator or become less active because of an avatar.
Agreed, small avs look terrible, 150x150 looks nice. everyone should be able to have this
Arcade
Again, why can't this just be open to all users... I feel it would benefit the forum more. If new users, came on, enjoyed the arcade and were given full access maybe they'd come back again just to use the arcade and even if they make 5 or so posts each time they come on it's still a help. I also think the arcade scores should be wiped, make it more active.
Agreed, people like to play in the arcade, and if advertised more for newer members, could easily keep some entertained
Reputation
It's really hard to move up the reputation ladder. It's unlikely any other 'new' user would get that much. I think this should either be scrapped entirely. Reputation doesn't make people stay, or at least it shouldn't but it defo puts people off.
I think reputation should stay, and be visible. But I think it should be easier to move up in early stages
Join Date
Thinking behind this is maybe if there wasn't proof they were a new user, they wouldn't feel so new. It's not important at all and I don't think this should be displayed when you post. Or at least have the option, if possible for it not to be displayed on the forum.
Disagree with this, its good to see whos been loyal and stayed active, no problem to me.
Post count
Seeing as the forum has been open so long some people have mammoth post counts. Again, I think if possible people should be allowed to make it so it doesn't display. Maybe even some of the more active users would do it to not look as addicted.
People need to be recognised for the contribution they make on the forum, so I disagree.
User Rank
The bronze stars are disgusting. Can't these just be replaced with userbars "new user" "loyal member" "legendary". Whatever. I just hate the star system and I think having a horrid star under your name would put you off the forum.
A lot of these are related to the fact the forum is so old. People who are new feel intimidated by the older members, even if they aren't threatening. If people were able to hide there own which are insignificant in comparison then maybe they'd be more inclined to post.
Agreed with this
Anyway, I know these are controversial and I'd be surprised if anyone actually agreed but I think the systems we have at the moment although they work fine they put new members off the forum. If these were changed, I genuinely believe we could attract new people and make them stay. With the merge coming more people will be visiting and if we can make them stay, you'll be laughing!
Quotes in there, glad you brought this up lozz :love3:
17-05-2010, 06:36 PM
Tintinnabulate
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Avatars
Sure OK, they're progressive and it could be argued it's an incentive to post and be active to try and get a bigger avatar. In reality, I don't think that's the case. Small avatars look awful, I can't have an avatar that looks good which is annoying but I can't because the size makes them look ridiculous. I don't see why all users can't have the simple 150x150. People aren't going to stop buying donator or become less active because of an avatar.
I think avatars for new members should be bigger but it should be progressive. 90x100 is too small. When I joined on a new account, I didn't bother having a avatar as 90x100 is useless. Giving everyone 150x150 like Ben said is a bad idea. The 150x150 avatar size is one of the main reasons I buy donor. Give it to everyone and less people will buy donor.
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Arcade
Again, why can't this just be open to all users... I feel it would benefit the forum more. If new users, came on, enjoyed the arcade and were given full access maybe they'd come back again just to use the arcade and even if they make 5 or so posts each time they come on it's still a help. I also think the arcade scores should be wiped, make it more active.
When I joined on my new account, I posted more to get rid of the arcade limitations. Maybe that was just me. However scores should not be wiped. It was recently wiped after the forum software upgrade. It will be unfair to those who spent ages trying to get a high score. I know I will be annoyed if mine was wiped.
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Reputation
It's really hard to move up the reputation ladder. It's unlikely any other 'new' user would get that much. I think this should either be scrapped entirely. Reputation doesn't make people stay, or at least it shouldn't but it defo puts people off.
Scrapping it isn't a good idea as people like getting reputation for positive posts - especially new members. Maybe make it even easier to get higher reputation power like on CHF? I know it was recently edited but to get a rep power of 18, it took me 5 years which is a bit OTT. Remember, many people have such high reputation points as you could buy it in the old days.
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Join Date
Thinking behind this is maybe if there wasn't proof they were a new user, they wouldn't feel so new. It's not important at all and I don't think this should be displayed when you post. Or at least have the option, if possible for it not to be displayed on the forum.
As I told you on MSN, option to remove it is pointless as people can still check userid and therefore work out the date the person joined.
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Post count
Seeing as the forum has been open so long some people have mammoth post counts. Again, I think if possible people should be allowed to make it so it doesn't display. Maybe even some of the more active users would do it to not look as addicted.
I think people like showing off their high post count. It gives people something to work towards. i.e. Jake posted lots to try and get to 1,000.
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User Rank
The bronze stars are disgusting. Can't these just be replaced with userbars "new user" "loyal member" "legendary". Whatever. I just hate the star system and I think having a horrid star under your name would put you off the forum.
A lot of these are related to the fact the forum is so old. People who are new feel intimidated by the older members, even if they aren't threatening. If people were able to hide there own which are insignificant in comparison then maybe they'd be more inclined to post.
Again back to the MSN conversation. It was introduced due to the promotion system. I have suggested before that these should be replaced by user bars and if they really want, they can put the stars inside a user bar. The stars on their own look horrid.
I don't think I ever got a reply to this suggestion last time.
17-05-2010, 06:46 PM
Nixt
Quote:
Originally Posted by lorren
Avatars
Sure OK, they're progressive and it could be argued it's an incentive to post and be active to try and get a bigger avatar. In reality, I don't think that's the case. Small avatars look awful, I can't have an avatar that looks good which is annoying but I can't because the size makes them look ridiculous. I don't see why all users can't have the simple 150x150. People aren't going to stop buying donator or become less active because of an avatar.
The reason progressive avatar sizes exist are for two reasons. First, to encourage members to post more and get the higher user rank in order to get the bigger avatar. Second, to encourage people to buy donator so they are able to. I do think it's unlikely people will post more on the basis of the fact they will be in with the chance of getting a bigger avatar, but I do think it's an extra incentive to buy donator which, to be frank, we can't afford to lose. It will be interesting to see what people think of this though and if they do say the bigger avatar sizes don't really affect their decision to buy donator it's something that could certainly be looked into. Equally though, I'm not totally convinced members are put off from joining the forum on the basis of their avatar not being able to be a certain size. I think what is more off putting is when a member signs up, uses an avatar that is too big and very quickly gets a PM saying "Sorry, your avatar is too big - please remove it". Unifying avatar sizes would end this, which is potentially beneficial.
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Originally Posted by lorren
Arcade
Again, why can't this just be open to all users... I feel it would benefit the forum more. If new users, came on, enjoyed the arcade and were given full access maybe they'd come back again just to use the arcade and even if they make 5 or so posts each time they come on it's still a help. I also think the arcade scores should be wiped, make it more active.
I agree. In fairness I don't think it would affect us that much either way, but I don't see any real issues with making it so anyone can use it and therefore see no reason why this shouldn't be the case.
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Originally Posted by lorren
Reputation
It's really hard to move up the reputation ladder. It's unlikely any other 'new' user would get that much. I think this should either be scrapped entirely. Reputation doesn't make people stay, or at least it shouldn't but it defo puts people off.
Removing reputation altogether would undoubtedly annoy the older members, who are just as important as the newer members we wish to retain. Indeed, it would annoy me because I have tried my best to help members across my four years at Habbox and have built up my reputation largely on that basis. Additionally I find reputation a good way to reward users if they help me and is a good incentive to get people doing things. Perhaps reforms in regard to the reputation system could be looked at - although this is something that's happened quite a lot before and it hasn't had that much of an impact. There are certain aspects of the reputation system that could well be reformed though, and we can look into this.
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Originally Posted by lorren
Join Date
Thinking behind this is maybe if there wasn't proof they were a new user, they wouldn't feel so new. It's not important at all and I don't think this should be displayed when you post. Or at least have the option, if possible for it not to be displayed on the forum.
I'm in two minds here. Some members are very proud of the time they joined and like to display it, which is fair enough. Equally I don't think it's *that* big a deal, although I do see how some newer members might be intimidated by members who have a join date from a long time ago, and the ability to remove it may help us decrease this intimidation and thus the overall intimidation members seem to experience when they join.
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Originally Posted by lorren
Post count
Seeing as the forum has been open so long some people have mammoth post counts. Again, I think if possible people should be allowed to make it so it doesn't display. Maybe even some of the more active users would do it to not look as addicted.
I personally don't think this has a massive impact. It's something we could consider implementing though, depending on the overall views of members.
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Originally Posted by lorren
User Rank
The bronze stars are disgusting. Can't these just be replaced with userbars "new user" "loyal member" "legendary". Whatever. I just hate the star system and I think having a horrid star under your name would put you off the forum.
A lot of these are related to the fact the forum is so old. People who are new feel intimidated by the older members, even if they aren't threatening. If people were able to hide there own which are insignificant in comparison then maybe they'd be more inclined to post.
To an extent, I agree. Perhaps a considerable overhaul of the rank system is in order, as it is somewhat outdated (particularly when you look at them on the new skins). This isn't just limited to the graphics but the way the user rank system works. Specific suggestions in regard to how it could change are welcome and it is definitely something we will look into.
Quote:
Originally Posted by lorren
Anyway, I know these are controversial and I'd be surprised if anyone actually agreed but I think the systems we have at the moment although they work fine they put new members off the forum. If these were changed, I genuinely believe we could attract new people and make them stay. With the merge coming more people will be visiting and if we can make them stay, you'll be laughing!
Whilst I feel some of your suggestions aren't the real reason people aren't staying, perhaps a mass reform of some, if not all, of these suggestions could be implemented to coincide with the merge. I think this would create a surge in activity that would appeal to members and as such mean some will remain. Equally if we display it in a way that shows we intend to make sure the forum appeals to newer members, they may feel more welcomed as they see we are making an effort for them.
It will be interesting to see member responses to this thread because I feel that's key in establishing whether it would be safe to implement some of them. Whilst they sound easy to suggest, many factors must be considered in making such changes and it is important to see what our current members say before we go ahead and implement them.
Thanks for your suggestions though, and +rep :).
17-05-2010, 06:54 PM
xxMATTGxx
Quote:
Originally Posted by lorren
Before you read I know some of these are controversial. They're welcome to adjustments. Just saying yes/no isn't really useful. If you don't think we need them then explain why. It's a fact that HxF is no longer the most active Habbo Forum but I think it so easily could be as Habbox is easily the biggest and most influential fansite across Habbo. Even foreign hotels don't have a fansite like this.
It's mainly based around a problem that has been highlighted a good eight or so months ago now and has never really been directly combated effectively, membership retention. We have so many people signing up and then not posting or staying active for long. It has been put down to attitudes of older members, I don't buy this whatsoever. In no way is this forum more exclusive than others that do well.
Put the blab in spoiler, just why I made this thread etc:)
Keeping members at HxF
I think the only reason they don't stay is because it's so hard to become established on here. I look at the members who have posted recently who don't have really high post counts or a join date from years ago and they're mostly users who have come back from a ban.
Everything on this forum is putting new people off:
- Avatars
- Arcade
- Reputation
- Join Date
- Post count
- User rank
Avatars
Sure OK, they're progressive and it could be argued it's an incentive to post and be active to try and get a bigger avatar. In reality, I don't think that's the case. Small avatars look awful, I can't have an avatar that looks good which is annoying but I can't because the size makes them look ridiculous. I don't see why all users can't have the simple 150x150. People aren't going to stop buying donator or become less active because of an avatar.
I have to agree with you that small avatars look awful and can also be a pain to find/create and make them look good. I don't think 150x150 would be an option for all, as users like to stay active and post to climb through the ranks or buy donator to get these extra features. Maybe an increase of 90x100 to tackle the small size or 150x150 for all. Hmm, would have to be something that would need discussion fully with other members of Management.
Arcade
Again, why can't this just be open to all users... I feel it would benefit the forum more. If new users, came on, enjoyed the arcade and were given full access maybe they'd come back again just to use the arcade and even if they make 5 or so posts each time they come on it's still a help. I also think the arcade scores should be wiped, make it more active.
I don't agree that the arcade should be wiped again, not yet anyway. Although making it open to all would be a good idea.
Reputation
It's really hard to move up the reputation ladder. It's unlikely any other 'new' user would get that much. I think this should either be scrapped entirely. Reputation doesn't make people stay, or at least it shouldn't but it defo puts people off.
Getting rid of reputation all together isn't a good idea in my opinion. There would be nothing to replace it with? Unless a thanks system but we may as well keep the reputation system that way. It's nice to have this system as it can be used as a thanks, prizes and so on. Maybe an overview of the current system and see what we can change would be possible solution though.
Join Date
Thinking behind this is maybe if there wasn't proof they were a new user, they wouldn't feel so new. It's not important at all and I don't think this should be displayed when you post. Or at least have the option, if possible for it not to be displayed on the forum.
I don't see the big issue with the join date here? I know some users like to tell others that they have been on here for 5 years or more. Newer members shouldn't really be put off people who have been on here longer but I can see why in some aspects. An option to not have it shown? Although like stated by Sav it would be easily to make out via the ID.
Post count
Seeing as the forum has been open so long some people have mammoth post counts. Again, I think if possible people should be allowed to make it so it doesn't display. Maybe even some of the more active users would do it to not look as addicted.
I'm going to see what other people think first. I'm not sure this is an issue that should be tackled.
User Rank
The bronze stars are disgusting. Can't these just be replaced with userbars "new user" "loyal member" "legendary". Whatever. I just hate the star system and I think having a horrid star under your name would put you off the forum.
A lot of these are related to the fact the forum is so old. People who are new feel intimidated by the older members, even if they aren't threatening. If people were able to hide there own which are insignificant in comparison then maybe they'd be more inclined to post.
We could do with an update on the ranking system especially the titles and the graphics, the stars really don't look well on the new skins. This is something I personally would like to see changed and I'm sure it will be something that will be discussed.
Anyway, I know these are controversial and I'd be surprised if anyone actually agreed but I think the systems we have at the moment although they work fine they put new members off the forum. If these were changed, I genuinely believe we could attract new people and make them stay. With the merge coming more people will be visiting and if we can make them stay, you'll be laughing!
Thanks for creating the thread in feedback, it is always nice to see suggestions and ideas on how we can improve HabboxForum. :) +Rep
In the boldness.
17-05-2010, 06:54 PM
hah
Sorry but the progressive thing is a load of ****. I could list about 10 forums that i haven't stayed on because the avatar limit was so small, on Habboforum i made jake give me VIP so that i could have bigger avatar (was like 150x150 for all members and 200x200 for vip i think#). Clubhabbo and every other fansite allow all users to have 150x150 avatars and they are not seeing donor profits decrease or less people postings. It seems to have the opposite effect on Habbox..... less posts and less donor (obv not the only reason tho).
So i agree on that point major............ and the arcade one lol
you put limitations on everything in this forums and its stupid :S, yeah sure you get the odd user posting so they can play the arcade but the other 90% just get fed up and leave
and them stars are ******* vile
17-05-2010, 06:56 PM
Alkaz
Avatars - I agree. Some of the sizes are way to small. Perhaps if there was to be larger sizes (but still keeping the max at 150x150) then there could be larger upload sizes for different ranks. I wanted to upload an animated avatar a while ago and I couldn't because the file size was to big and was very annoying. Arcade - Again I think that something like the arcade should be free for all. To keep something there for VIP's then perhaps they could be the only people who could create tournaments etc. I know a lot of people use forums and spend a lot of time on the arcade and only post now and again whilst using the arcade but stay loyal to the site. Reputation - I know that not many people liked the original changes to the reputation system back in 2008 or when ever it was. A lot of people with 20+ rep powers now were able to take advantage of the relaxed rules on reputation back then but now it is extremely hard to get rep and it is pretty unfair for those new users. If I was playing the forum and for example I only got 20 rep points in one month and knew that I needed 100's to get a single rep power I wouldn't want to stay for that long knowing the rep powers of some people. Join Date - I don't actually see any problem with this as it is now? Post Count - Again nothing really wrong as it is at the moment. User Rank - Perhaps it would be better to have something like the old reputation comments instead of the star system.
Some pretty good suggestions and I would like to see most of them implemented and if not all of them but with some changes to what you have suggested.
17-05-2010, 06:57 PM
dogboy123
Also, I'd like to think the reason people post on the forum is because they enjoy it, and they like the community. Not to gain all these features
17-05-2010, 06:57 PM
Tintinnabulate
One thing is for sure, a major overhaul is required.
Skins (Alkaz has an amazing idea). More promotion etc.
17-05-2010, 06:58 PM
hah
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Originally Posted by dogboy123
Also, I'd like to think the reason people post on the forum is because they enjoy it, and they like the community. Not to gain all these features
amazing point ben lol
17-05-2010, 06:59 PM
Pyroka
why does this sound like a tune ive heard before... regardless, disagree with most except the userbar idea would be gd i think so yeah gd one for that.
17-05-2010, 07:00 PM
dogboy123
Just to add to the avatar thing. If I was new on a forum (like i did on hf) I liked making myself look like established on the forum. Having a tiny av, and some horrible bronze stars doesn't really let you fit in.
17-05-2010, 07:05 PM
AgnesIO
Quote:
Originally Posted by lorren
Before you read I know some of these are controversial. They're welcome to adjustments. Just saying yes/no isn't really useful. If you don't think we need them then explain why. It's a fact that HxF is no longer the most active Habbo Forum but I think it so easily could be as Habbox is easily the biggest and most influential fansite across Habbo. Even foreign hotels don't have a fansite like this.
It's mainly based around a problem that has been highlighted a good eight or so months ago now and has never really been directly combated effectively, membership retention. We have so many people signing up and then not posting or staying active for long. It has been put down to attitudes of older members, I don't buy this whatsoever. In no way is this forum more exclusive than others that do well.
Put the blab in spoiler, just why I made this thread etc:)
Keeping members at HxF
I think the only reason they don't stay is because it's so hard to become established on here. I look at the members who have posted recently who don't have really high post counts or a join date from years ago and they're mostly users who have come back from a ban.
Everything on this forum is putting new people off:
- Avatars
- Arcade
- Reputation
- Join Date
- Post count
- User rank
Avatars
Sure OK, they're progressive and it could be argued it's an incentive to post and be active to try and get a bigger avatar. In reality, I don't think that's the case. Small avatars look awful, I can't have an avatar that looks good which is annoying but I can't because the size makes them look ridiculous. I don't see why all users can't have the simple 150x150. People aren't going to stop buying donator or become less active because of an avatar.
What would be the point in ANY user ranks if there was no reason to want to post? People wouldn't post so much on the forum if here were no incentives.
Arcade
Again, why can't this just be open to all users... I feel it would benefit the forum more. If new users, came on, enjoyed the arcade and were given full access maybe they'd come back again just to use the arcade and even if they make 5 or so posts each time they come on it's still a help. I also think the arcade scores should be wiped, make it more active.
People don't join forums to play at the arcade. If they do then they are no use to Habbox what so ever. The arcade is just a little treat users get for being on the forum and staying active. Also you clearly don't know this, but the arcade scores were wiped one or to months ago?
Reputation
It's really hard to move up the reputation ladder. It's unlikely any other 'new' user would get that much. I think this should either be scrapped entirely. Reputation doesn't make people stay, or at least it shouldn't but it defo puts people off.
The point in reputation is you BUILD it. Check u reputation in the dictionary.
Join Date
Thinking behind this is maybe if there wasn't proof they were a new user, they wouldn't feel so new. It's not important at all and I don't think this should be displayed when you post. Or at least have the option, if possible for it not to be displayed on the forum.
I think I will just ignore this..
Post count
Seeing as the forum has been open so long some people have mammoth post counts. Again, I think if possible people should be allowed to make it so it doesn't display. Maybe even some of the more active users would do it to not look as addicted.
Oh I see what you mean here. When I was knew when I saw I only made 1 post I wanted to leave. It was so hurtful.
User Rank
The bronze stars are disgusting. Can't these just be replaced with userbars "new user" "loyal member" "legendary". Whatever. I just hate the star system and I think having a horrid star under your name would put you off the forum.
A lot of these are related to the fact the forum is so old. People who are new feel intimidated by the older members, even if they aren't threatening. If people were able to hide there own which are insignificant in comparison then maybe they'd be more inclined to post.
Intimidated? Is this a joke? Yet you want userbars that say NEW USER. That surely makes you look newer than a few bronze stars?
Anyway, I know these are controversial and I'd be surprised if anyone actually agreed but I think the systems we have at the moment although they work fine they put new members off the forum. If these were changed, I genuinely believe we could attract new people and make them stay. With the merge coming more people will be visiting and if we can make them stay, you'll be laughing!
Check the bold ;)
17-05-2010, 07:08 PM
Tintinnabulate
Habbox needs to start installing modifications. CHF do it and I dont see it getting hacked regularly. Habbox need to stop worrying. I would be happy to suggest some amazing modifications which would make the forum more enjoyable.
There is like 190 users online, yet I only see the same 5-10 people post in Spam.
17-05-2010, 07:10 PM
Pyroka
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Originally Posted by Saurav
Habbox needs to start installing modifications. CHF do it and I dont see it getting hacked regularly. Habbox need to stop worrying. I would be happy to suggest some amazing modifications which would make the forum more enjoyable.
There is like 190 users online, yet I only see the same 5-10 people post in Spam.
dnt mean to be rude spesh since i see sexy calum viewing this thread but chf does get hacked.... and i cant remember the last time hxf got hacked since omg idk probs 3-4 yrs?? they need to start convertin guests into users
mebbe a quicker sign up system but then thats vbulletin so yknow
17-05-2010, 07:10 PM
hah
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What would be the point in ANY user ranks if there was no reason to want to post? People wouldn't post so much on the forum if here were no incentives.
People don't join forums to play at the arcade. If they do then they are no use to Habbox what so ever. The arcade is just a little treat users get for being on the forum and staying active. Also you clearly don't know this, but the arcade scores were wiped one or to months ago?
A bit of a contradiction there :S
People who look for incentives to posts are no use either :S
And it seems you dont either, they were wiped in dec
17-05-2010, 07:12 PM
AgnesIO
Quote:
Originally Posted by sex
A bit of a contradiction there :S
And it seems you dont either, they were wiped in dec
I thought they were wiped when vB 4.0 was brought in?
And no Graham.. People DON'T join the forum to play the arcade, HOWEVER after you have been loyal to the forum incentives are normally required to keep members here.
And let's be honest, the longer the list - whatever the list may be - the more people will want to have more posts.
17-05-2010, 07:13 PM
hah
I dont no any users who look for things for posting lol
could you name some
17-05-2010, 07:14 PM
immense
Quote:
Originally Posted by Android
Check the bold ;)
Probably the worst post throughout the entire thread. The title is called controversial, the ideas were bound to be. It also says they're welcome for adjustments. Then you strut in here like you're a descendent of Immenseman. Your attitude to this and therefore your feedback is very tedious. Up until now every member, including 3 of the 4 General Management have replied and agreed to certain elements, altered others and believed that others are fine as they are. As it happens, I agree with the entirety of them and I'd put my life on the line that these would ease newer member's worries. They're not perfect, that has been acknowledged but by belittling a new member like that is ridiculous. No wonder they won't want to stay when people like you are pig ignorant. Talking about jokes like you mentioned, I think the joke is firmly back with you.
Anyway, I agree with all of these points as I've already mentioned. The Avatar's are ridiculous, I can't even use one because it's so horrendously small. All forums have 150x150, some even bigger. I really think this, the arcade and user ranks needs to change the most. Posting and reputation would help but they're not as big as the others and they would anger the old members, only to a certain extent. Anyway, glad that people have been constructive in here and +REP to the original poster who has come up with some ideas I hope to see implemented soon such as:
+ Bigger Avatars
+ Free access to arcade for all members
+ Revamp of user rank system
17-05-2010, 07:15 PM
AgnesIO
Quote:
Originally Posted by sex
I dont no any users who look for things for posting lol
could you name some
Well let me start by questioning:
If you posted 10,000 times and suddenly every member on the forum had all the standard bronze star feature, could you HONESTLY tell me there would not be an upror, because people get such a lame amount of features?
No need to answer that.
EDIT:
Lorren isn't ******* new..
And last time you did that 'IMMENSEMAN'S OPINIONS ON YOU' crap you said you hated how I posted controversial ideas.
I also don't understand where this thouht came from that new members brick it when they sign u? It it nonsense, I certainly didn't when I signed up - there never has and never will be a reason to be scared to sign up to forum, and the last thing on earth anyone could possibly worry about when they first sign up is that they can't have a big avatar?
17-05-2010, 07:17 PM
hah
No i wouldn't care less lol
17-05-2010, 07:19 PM
AgnesIO
Quote:
Originally Posted by sex
No i wouldn't care less lol
I pomise ou at least half the users with let's say 10,000 - or even 5,000 posts would moan.
17-05-2010, 07:20 PM
hah
oh you can read minds
17-05-2010, 07:21 PM
Tintinnabulate
Quote:
Originally Posted by doherty
Then you strut in here like you're a descendent of Immenseman. Y
ROFL. I think instead of just saying the ideas are crap, peope need to suggest new ones or say why they actually agree of disagree.
17-05-2010, 07:22 PM
immense
Quote:
Originally Posted by Android
EDIT:
Lorren isn't ******* new..
And last time you did that 'IMMENSEMAN'S OPINIONS ON YOU' crap you said you hated how I posted controversial ideas.
I also don't understand where this thouht came from that new members brick it when they sign u? It it nonsense, I certainly didn't when I signed up - there never has and never will be a reason to be scared to sign up to forum, and the last thing on earth anyone could possibly worry about when they first sign up is that they can't have a big avatar?
Maybe not new in terms of join date. The fact she has less than 50 posts is pretty self-explanatory. Also, talking about when you signed up is *NOT* useful. You signed up three years ago. Hundreds of thousands of posts have happened since then and the forum has changed dramatically. If I signed up to a forum and had a new join date, no posts, couldn't have a decent avatar, couldn't use the arcade, had rank bronze stars under my name I'm not sure I would stay either. For the love of God.
17-05-2010, 07:23 PM
AgnesIO
Quote:
Originally Posted by Saurav
ROFL. I think instead of just saying the ideas are crap, peope need to suggest new ones or say why they actually agree of disagree.
I did say why. And for most those ideas you can only say 'Yes or No'. Unless we have have half the post count on and half off?
17-05-2010, 07:23 PM
Nixt
Hey does anyone think that sometimes newer members might be put off when they see more established members bickering? I think it's possible.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Saurav
ROFL. I think instead of just saying the ideas are crap, peope need to suggest new ones or say why they actually agree of disagree.
I quite agree. One key problem I find with people's feedbacks is they will outright disagree (and even when people agree) and yet fail to justify why in depth which makes our job impossible.
17-05-2010, 07:25 PM
dogboy123
People are saying 'but the old users wouldnt like this' or w/e. That annoys me because the old members will stay because they like the forum, we need new members for the forum to grow. It seems pointless people are disagreeing to some of these things to pander to the older members
17-05-2010, 07:26 PM
AgnesIO
Quote:
Originally Posted by Garion
Hey does anyone think that sometimes newer members might be put off when they see more established members bickering? I think it's possible.
I quite agree. One key problem I find with people's feedbacks is they will outright disagree (and even when people agree) and yet fail to justify why in depth which makes our job impossible.
What do you mean '(and even when people agree)' - does that mean if one person likes an idea everyone has to?
The problem is unlike many people, I cannot be bothered to write an essay on why I don't think post count should be turned off.
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Might I point out habbox has over 50,000 'active' members, is the most successful habbo fansite, and continues to grow? Are people not realising if people still sign up and post there is not a problem. DON'T FIX WHAT IS NOT BROKEN.
17-05-2010, 07:26 PM
lorren
I would have been here more and posted more if the features were improved for newer members.
Quote:
Might I point out habbox has over 50,000 'active' members, is the most successful habbo fansite, and continues to grow? Are people not realising if people still sign up and post there is not a problem. DON'T FIX WHAT IS NOT BROKEN.
total ignorance right here. Must be no point of this section if nothing should be improved.
17-05-2010, 07:27 PM
Blob
I agree with most of them. Maybe the competitions team could setup a posting quest for new users or something, to keep them entertained while they post.
17-05-2010, 07:29 PM
dogboy123
Quote:
Originally Posted by Android
What do you mean '(and even when people agree)' - does that mean if one person likes an idea everyone has to?
The problem is unlike many people, I cannot be bothered to write an essay on why I don't think post count should be turned off.
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Might I point out habbox has over 50,000 'active' members, is the most successful habbo fansite, and continues to grow? Are people not realising if people still sign up and post there is not a problem. DON'T FIX WHAT IS NOT BROKEN.
I dont see many new users posting any further than their welcome threads...
17-05-2010, 07:30 PM
Barmi
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pyroka
dnt mean to be rude spesh since i see sexy calum viewing this thread but chf does get hacked.... and i cant remember the last time hxf got hacked since omg idk probs 3-4 yrs?? they need to start convertin guests into users
mebbe a quicker sign up system but then thats vbulletin so yknow
Oh absolutely! It's been compromised once in recent memory, but that was through human error. Some plugins and modifications are useful, and I'm sure Habbox management are much more welcoming to the idea than they were a few years ago... but I'm also sure they are cautious to keep such things minimised so as to safeguard forum stability. By and large, the most popular plugins are very safe... stability concerns are usually more of an issue.
@OP: I do agree with you on the avatars point, and I hope management discuss it. As someone rightly pointed out in this thread, it's an instant at-a-glance inferiority/superiority thing. I don't think new members are concerned about progression, reputation or join date –– they want to feel equal right away. 'Progression' can be saved in other areas if you're concerned about keeping members for a long time (if you truly believe 'progression' is what keeps them interested...), but larger avatar sizes for a brand new user would be a great change, keeping new members a little bit happier.
Edit: Obviously, there is only so much that can be done to retain new members. After the drama over at another official fansite (users were discussing where they should 'migrate' to), it's clear that some people are terribly fickle and don't want to join an existing community –– but rather want a community to form around them. We shouldn't pander too much to that crowd. In Habbox's case, its best bet is luring young Habbos in from its main site and keeping them here with features that rival most other sites.
17-05-2010, 07:36 PM
AgnesIO
Quote:
Originally Posted by lorren
I would have been here more and posted more if the features were improved for newer members.
total ignorance right here. Must be no point of this section if nothing should be improved.
No new ideas are often posted here. Sorry I just dont think being able to turn post count off is justifiable. Thank god the features haven't been available then imo ;)
Quote:
Originally Posted by dogboy123
I dont see many new users posting any further than their welcome threads...
That's ALWAYS been the case. Most users will never log back on, but yu can't stop that. That's just like on habbo ..
17-05-2010, 07:36 PM
immense
Just want to throw an adjustment into the ring. Maybe for avatars if it's a concern that people won't buy donor if they don't get a bigger avatar, they could have theirs replaced to 180x180 (vip also) and 150x150 can be for everyone else. I think people buy it more for their coloured name and userbar anyway. I think anything smaller is just silly because you can't even have a good avatar you want to be displayed because the limitations make it less appealing. People need to take pride in their account and not feel so excluded. This could help.
Also, as Ben mentioned you see a new user make a welcome thread and then you never see them post again. Something has to be done about this I think.
17-05-2010, 07:37 PM
Tintinnabulate
Quote:
Originally Posted by Android
Well let me start by questioning:
If you posted 10,000 times and suddenly every member on the forum had all the standard bronze star feature, could you HONESTLY tell me there would not be an upror, because people get such a lame amount of features?
No need to answer that.
EDIT:
Lorren isn't ******* new..
And last time you did that 'IMMENSEMAN'S OPINIONS ON YOU' crap you said you hated how I posted controversial ideas.
I also don't understand where this thouht came from that new members brick it when they sign u? It it nonsense, I certainly didn't when I signed up - there never has and never will be a reason to be scared to sign up to forum, and the last thing on earth anyone could possibly worry about when they first sign up is that they can't have a big avatar?
I think you raise some good points. People try and not get banned as they dont want to start again. Giving everyone the same features would mean people don't have anything to work towards. its a fact some people like having higher post count - and they should be rewarded. Its only right.
On my forum, I didn't have strict rules. It was simply: Do not be rude. Do not post inappropriate stuff i.e. porn, Do not post links to phishers, Do not spam.
The forum ran amazingly well. I had over 40,000 members sign up in less than 2 years with the site getting in the top 9,000 ranked sites on Alexa. I was getting 30,000 - 40,000 uniques a day. Why? I installed many modifications which people would like. If someone broke a rule, my moderators edited it and sent a friendly PM.
When I had the forum, hundreds of the same forum existed, but people joined mine because it looked welcoming and had so many features to offer.
Right now, what is different about habboxforum and other forums such as CHF? Its a standard vBulletin forum. They need to customise it, more better skins (someone from the forum department really needs to speak to Alkaz for some advice on skins or AGM's need to look at the AGM forum)
The PM's Habbox sends if you break a rule is like you have done something very serious - same with CHF. Th PM template needs to be changed.
This is an example of a PM I received:
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Hi Saurav,
In this post you posted something pointless and off topic.
May I remind you that it is against the Rules to post pointlessly:
Quote:
A6. Do not post pointlessly ~ A pointless post has no relevance to the topic, any previous post that is relevant, is meaningless (ghnrgher etc) or does little to contribute to the discussion.
Please do not make a habit of this or further action may be taken.
Thanks,
{name} (Forum Moderator)
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Its just so serious and so off putting for new members.
However, if it said this it would be so much better:
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Hi Saurav,
In this post you posted something which can be considered pointless and off-topic.
I would like to take this opportunity to link you to our forum rules and to please read it if you haven't already.
The rule your post has broken is:
Quote:
A6. Do not post pointlessly ~ A pointless post has no relevance to the topic, any previous post that is relevant, is meaningless (ghnrgher etc) or does little to contribute to the discussion.
If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to PM me :)
Thanks,
{name} (Forum Moderator)
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Something like that which is friendly.
I have only mentioned my forum because I want to prove that modifications do help. Simple rules do help. Nicer PMs do help. Staff being very active does help.
The site offers something unique - rare values.
Its time to think of whats unique about HabboxForum.
17-05-2010, 07:38 PM
Nixt
Quote:
Originally Posted by Android
What do you mean '(and even when people agree)' - does that mean if one person likes an idea everyone has to?
The problem is unlike many people, I cannot be bothered to write an essay on why I don't think post count should be turned off.
I mean when people agree it is sometimes nice for them explain why they agree. Just saying "I agree" or "I disagree" does little to help us take their feedback into account and then go ahead and implement suggestions.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Android
Might I point out habbox has over 50,000 'active' members, is the most successful habbo fansite, and continues to grow? Are people not realising if people still sign up and post there is not a problem. DON'T FIX WHAT IS NOT BROKEN.
You are quite correct but what one must also consider is that in comparison to what it used to be Habbox most certainly isn't as popular. Any website needs to be constantly evolving and if Habbox fails to do so and falls further and further behind this lapse in activity that is proven by statistics will only get worse. I don't think we're in dire straits but we do need to continue to evolve in order to remain the most successful Habbo fansite out there, particularly with merge coming up.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Barmi
Oh absolutely! It's been compromised once in recent memory, but that was through human error. Some plugins and modifications are useful, and I'm sure Habbox management are much more welcoming to the idea than they were a few years ago... but I'm also sure they are cautious to keep such things minimised so as to safeguard forum stability. By and large, the most popular plugins are very safe... stability concerns are usually more of an issue.
I quite agree that the current Habbox management are much more open to suggestions for additional plugins than ever before. As with any policy change we do need to take into account many things and forum security and stability is one of them. Nevertheless we are more than willing to implement plugins we feel will be useful.
17-05-2010, 07:40 PM
Pyroka
Quote:
Originally Posted by Garion
I mean when people agree it is sometimes nice for them explain why they agree. Just saying "I agree" or "I disagree" does little to help us take their feedback into account and then go ahead and implement suggestions.
You are quite correct but what one must also consider is that in comparison to what it used to be Habbox most certainly isn't as popular. Any website needs to be constantly evolving and if Habbox fails to do so and falls further and further behind this lapse in activity that is proven by statistics will only get worse. I don't think we're in dire straits but we do need to continue to evolve in order to remain the most successful Habbo fansite out there, particularly with merge coming up.
I quite agree that the current Habbox management are much more open to suggestions for additional plugins than ever before. As with any policy change we do need to take into account many things and forum security and stability is one of them. Nevertheless we are more than willing to implement plugins we feel will be useful.
i think hxf and chf management should unite and suggest different plugins to eachother yay
btw lol calum i didnt realise i was followin u on twitter what a silly sausage
17-05-2010, 07:41 PM
W00TZEH
whoah way too much to read! its a big fat no from me!
Edited by Nicola (Forum Super Moderator): Please do not post pointlessly
17-05-2010, 07:47 PM
Inseriousity.
When I was new, I didn't really care much for features and whatnot. It's only when I decided to stay that I would have liked these features. I decided to stay because of the community so if we're thinking of gaining new members, I still think the community is the bigger priority.
However, I think the new users are targeted by the moderators, they are easy targets as they're not clued up with how the forum works and so if a new user gets a PM saying 'your avatar is too big', it looks like the site is too strict and they may be put off by that. I do believe the system is light on new users so there's no problems there but the fact they have to get a PM in the first place probably put a few people off.
As for the arcade, I've always been amazed at the restrictions on it. It just seems so bizarre and unnecessary!
