Lib/Lab/Con all vote to NOT cut Britain's rising EU contributions

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So when you hear David Cameron on the television harping on about how we are 'all in this together' when he cuts your child benefits, when he cuts your school budgets, when he and his government increase university fees - just remember, he's talking absolute and utter nonsense. So the Conservatives plead how we have to make difficult decisions yet they vote this through, the Labour Party contends how damaging the cuts will be yet votes this through - and as for the Liberal Democrats who pledged before the election they would not support increasing university fees; they voted this through (which is a total waste of money) yet are now supporting increasing tutition fees because 'we are broke' - how much longer are we all going to fall for this trio of self-serving professional con-artists?

Yet again the Conservative Party spits on the country and its own supporters, yet just like lemmings they keep quiet.

Do you have faith in David Cameron and this coalition government to deliver the cuts in the right way?

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

Do you have faith in David Cameron and this coalition government to deliver the cuts in the right way?

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I do, yes.

I also do. Rather Tory cuts than Labour, theres always a hidden twist. I have faith in this government.

I have faith...I mean Gordon brown was chancellor then pm and look where we are, anything is better than that. And I think the lib dems will make the cuts fairer

To your question..

Yes I do - more so than some of the other parties talked about a lot on here.

Yes, I do have faith in the Tory government. The problem is that I don't think they will have enough time, in the 4 years that they're in "power", to do enough.

Everyone over the age of 18 has the right to vote and a large majority of those people don't understand politics. The media is to blame. People see that cuts are happening: child benefits and EMA under threat for example, and they obviously shove the so-called "blame" onto the Tory government. People fail to realise that these cuts are for the best, to get rid of the stupidly large debt that the pathetic Labour government have left behind for the Tories to tidy up.

In which case, in 4 years time, Labour will be voted in again, because they spoon-feed citizens and give people what they want, rather than trying to get rid of debt.

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Originally Posted by Mathew

Yes, I do have faith in the Tory government. The problem is that I don't think they will have enough time, in the 4 years that they're in "power", to do enough.

Everyone over the age of 18 has the right to vote and a large majority of those people don't understand politics. The media is to blame. People see that cuts are happening: child benefits and EMA under threat for example, and they obviously shove the so-called "blame" onto the Tory government. People fail to realise that these cuts are for the best, to get rid of the stupidly large debt that the pathetic Labour government have left behind for the Tories to tidy up.

In which case, in 4 years time, Labour will be voted in again, because they spoon-feed citizens and give people what they want, rather than trying to get rid of debt.

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Agree 10000000000000000000000000%

I actually follow politics, mainly because I have no life and have nothing better to do...but I find it interesting. I understand that we NEED cuts, because otherwise the country will be bankrupt, everyone will become unemployed and chaos will reign.

It is stupid how everyone, the media, Labour Politicians, and ordinary people bash on the Tory-LibDem Government for doing the right thing. Labour say they wouldn't do this, but then offer no alternative solution? And considering 35 (or there abouts) of the countries top businessmen (ie; huge supermarket/bank/company executives) have backed these cuts, surely they're doing something right?

The gap in the budget is so huge thanks to Labour, and the Tories have to try and fill it, but then, inevitably in a few years time during the next election, will be voted out because scroungers who sponge of the Government don't like the fact that the benefits for their "bad back" have been cut by £5 a week, or people with no clue of politics think "we're losing money, lets get Labour back". Then Labour will once again waste all our money, and when voted out, the Tories will once again clean up, and there is a certain pattern forming no? - Labour spend, Tories save?

Imo, Labour don't know how to save money...if their Leader, who was their chancellor - the guy in charge of all the money can't make decent decisions about the budget...then I doubt anyone in their party can.

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Originally Posted by R0BB13G

Agree 10000000000000000000000000%

I actually follow politics, mainly because I have no life and have nothing better to do...but I find it interesting. I understand that we NEED cuts, because otherwise the country will be bankrupt, everyone will become unemployed and chaos will reign.

It is stupid how everyone, the media, Labour Politicians, and ordinary people bash on the Tory-LibDem Government for doing the right thing. Labour say they wouldn't do this, but then offer no alternative solution? And considering 35 (or there abouts) of the countries top businessmen (ie; huge supermarket/bank/company executives) have backed these cuts, surely they're doing something right?

The gap in the budget is so huge thanks to Labour, and the Tories have to try and fill it, but then, inevitably in a few years time during the next election, will be voted out because scroungers who sponge of the Government don't like the fact that the benefits for their "bad back" have been cut by £5 a week, or people with no clue of politics think "we're losing money, lets get Labour back". Then Labour will once again waste all our money, and when voted out, the Tories will once again clean up, and there is a certain pattern forming no? - Labour spend, Tories save?

Imo, Labour don't know how to save money...if their Leader, who was their chancellor - the guy in charge of all the money can't make decent decisions about the budget...then I doubt anyone in their party can.

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Well then why aren't we putting our country and our citizens before others. Why should be the budgets for the EU and foreign aid continue to increase while our own people feel the cuts harder. I'm not denying there needs to be cuts, that would be stupid, but the UK needs to come before anyone else. It's our taxes and it's our money. Cuts are coming but they're not coming in the right places.

Another example, the number of quangos is being reduced, but we still have a stupid amount of unaccountable quangos such as the "Potato Council" wasting public money and deciding how we live our lives.

Yes to question, but I disagree with the rising EU contributions. The Coalition Government are tackling the areas where money is wasted (e.g. benefits) quite well. They'd be perfect if they slashed any further funding for the EU, which is a debt maker, not a debt breaker :P

I laugh at the above few posts who claim people don't understand politics and what is happening in their society... yeah, I'm sure they won't understand when they lose their job, have child benefits slashed and to top it off are unable to put their children through higher education. I don't have trust in the Lib/Con government, no. There are alternatives to what they propose.

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I laugh at the above few posts who claim people don't understand politics and what is happening in their society... yeah, I'm sure they won't understand when they lose their job, have child benefits slashed and to top it off are unable to put their children through higher education. I don't have trust in the Lib/Con government, no. There are alternatives to what they propose.

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Do you expect the national debt to magically pay itself off? By the sounds of things you're in support of Labour which got us in this mess in the first place.

What other alternatives is there?

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Originally Posted by Mathew

Do you expect the national debt to magically pay itself off? By the sounds of things you're in support of Labour which got us in this mess in the first place.

What other alternatives is there?

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To be fair, the Coalition is far from perfect, as they have lied about quite a few things which won them votes :P

Labour was once good, but they try to do things to please the public and fail because they realise it costs us and them too much money. Costs have to be cut, and the benefits system is one of them, even though the Coalition aren't being kind seeing as there aren't that many jobs to go into :P

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Originally Posted by Mathew

Do you expect the national debt to magically pay itself off? By the sounds of things you're in support of Labour which got us in this mess in the first place.

What other alternatives is there?

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When I have more time I will outline what I personally would do. They're not 100% in touch with Labour. Labour is much better than the current government. It isn't labour's fault either - that's you being brainwashed by the media. The economic downturn was global. It isn't impossible for a country to run with debt you know, far from it.

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Originally Posted by GommeInc

To be fair, the Coalition is far from perfect, as they have lied about quite a few things which won them votes :P

Labour was once good, but they try to do things to please the public and fail because they realise it costs us and them too much money. Costs have to be cut, and the benefits system is one of them, even though the Coalition aren't being kind seeing as there aren't that many jobs to go into :P

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They're slashing benefits for people who CAN work but chose NOT TO.

And to be fair, the coalition isn't anyones idea of perfect. Yes, the LibDems have gone back on a big promise not to raise Tution fees, but that's not their fault...and Tony Blair in the 1999 & 2005 lied, so you know. "No more boom and bust" ring any bells?

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Originally Posted by GommeInc

To be fair, the Coalition is far from perfect, as they have lied about quite a few things which won them votes :P

Labour was once good, but they try to do things to please the public and fail because they realise it costs us and them too much money. Costs have to be cut, and the benefits system is one of them, even though the Coalition aren't being kind seeing as there aren't that many jobs to go into :P

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I agree that it's imperfect, but you can't really say that Labour were any better :P

An example of the latter was the BSF project (Building Schools for the Future). £20 million was going to be pumped into my old school which had a £4 million sports hall built just a couple of years ago. It was all spend, spend, spend just to make the public happy and just to win votes. Sadly people don't realise the debt and think the Tories are being evil when they decide to cut... :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Mathew

I agree that it's imperfect, but you can't really say that Labour were any better :P

An example of the latter was the BSF project (Building Schools for the Future). £20 million was going to be pumped into my old school which had a £4 million sports hall built just a couple of years ago. It was all spend, spend, spend just to make the public happy and just to win votes. Sadly people don't realise the debt and think the Tories are being evil when they decide to cut... :rolleyes:

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My school is getting completely rebuilt thanks to the BSF...and it hasn't been cancelled (phew), but I agree, they spent all the country's money to please the voters, and then when they realise they've destroyed the economy, they hand over power so that the new Government become unpopular for cutting benefits ect. Then they win it back in 5 years time.

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Originally Posted by R0BB13G

My school is getting completely rebuilt thanks to the BSF...and it hasn't been cancelled (phew), but I agree, they spent all the country's money to please the voters, and then when they realise they've destroyed the economy, they hand over power so that the new Government become unpopular for cutting benefits ect. Then they win it back in 5 years time.

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Sounds about right to me. My school project has been cancelled I think, not that I care as much considering I've left now, mind :P

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Originally Posted by immense

When I have more time I will outline what I personally would do. They're not 100% in touch with Labour. Labour is much better than the current government. It isn't labour's fault either - that's you being brainwashed by the media. The economic downturn was global. It isn't impossible for a country to run with debt you know, far from it.

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I look forward to it! :)

If it isn't Labour's fault, do you agree that the BSF was a good idea when there's billions to be paid off? While it was a global "crisis", there were many problems much closer to home which weren't helping in the slightest. Did you see attempts by Labour to reduce it, or was it continued spending?

Of course it's possible to run a country with debt (after all, we put up with it for years with the last government :rolleyes:), yet it was the Lib/Con promise to do their best to reduce it. Obviously the majority of people voted in favour of it, yet now everyone is complaining? :S

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Originally Posted by Mathew

I agree that it's imperfect, but you can't really say that Labour were any better :P

An example of the latter was the BSF project (Building Schools for the Future). £20 million was going to be pumped into my old school which had a £4 million sports hall built just a couple of years ago. It was all spend, spend, spend just to make the public happy and just to win votes. Sadly people don't realise the debt and think the Tories are being evil when they decide to cut... :rolleyes:

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I realise that cuts need to be made, that it's going to be difficult. However, I do not trust this Con-dem government to do them fairly. They bleat on and on about 'we're all in this together' but even in this thread, we've seen examples of stupid decisions being made. Keep tuition fees the same... or keep the potato council? Hmm that's a toughie. Not.

People are currently gritting their teeth and saying 'yeah these cuts are needed, we have to grit our teeth and get through it' but then the cuts start having an impact and then they'll probably realise too late that gritting their teeth just isn't enough.

Obviously it's not Labours fault that the global economic downturn happened - however it still remains that even before this we were spending money we didn't have. The response to the financial crisis from Labour was woeful in my opinion and they did nothing to cut public spending, knowing that there was an election coming up.

As others have said in this thread, Labour wanted to be seen as promoting populism, doing exactly what the public wanted without a thought for the country's financial future.

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Originally Posted by immense

When I have more time I will outline what I personally would do. They're not 100% in touch with Labour. Labour is much better than the current government. It isn't labour's fault either - that's you being brainwashed by the media. The economic downturn was global. It isn't impossible for a country to run with debt you know, far from it.

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It is if you don't spend what you don't have.

No, I have no faith in this coalition to make the correct cuts.

i see a correlation with cool people and having no faith in this coalition government

Some of what they are doing is good and some terrible. This forum is full of students, its obvious most will be against their spending cuts etc.

I'm just gonna keep this short and sweet. We should cut EU contributions just as we are cutting everything else, particuarly to help prevent a rise in tuition fees. Simples.

Anyway I realise this is irrelevant but I met Alan Sked earlier, the founder of UKIP. Not only is he a complete fool, comparing a pro-European speaker at UCL to a Nazi collaborator and then again later to someone imprisoned in Auschwitz who cannot escape (The EU is like Auschwitz apparently, who knew?), but he also called UKIP a bunch of raving looneys. Now if this guy is crazy and he's calling UKIP crazy then they must be MENTAL?

Ah ****e I voted the wrong way in the poll.

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Originally Posted by Mathew

Yes, I do have faith in the Tory government. The problem is that I don't think they will have enough time, in the 4 years that they're in "power", to do enough.

Everyone over the age of 18 has the right to vote and a large majority of those people don't understand politics. The media is to blame. People see that cuts are happening: child benefits and EMA under threat for example, and they obviously shove the so-called "blame" onto the Tory government. People fail to realise that these cuts are for the best, to get rid of the stupidly large debt that the pathetic Labour government have left behind for the Tories to tidy up.

In which case, in 4 years time, Labour will be voted in again, because they spoon-feed citizens and give people what they want, rather than trying to get rid of debt.

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Totally agree with you there, I also think the Lib Dems deserve to take a fair portion of the blame for the cuts, it's not fair to lump all the blame on the Tories (or give them all the credit when things go well). But really it should be Labour getting the blame if anything, sadly it doesn't work that way though :(

Would +rep you if I could.

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Originally Posted by R0BB13G

Agree 10000000000000000000000000%

I actually follow politics, mainly because I have no life and have nothing better to do...but I find it interesting. I understand that we NEED cuts, because otherwise the country will be bankrupt, everyone will become unemployed and chaos will reign.

It is stupid how everyone, the media, Labour Politicians, and ordinary people bash on the Tory-LibDem Government for doing the right thing. Labour say they wouldn't do this, but then offer no alternative solution? And considering 35 (or there abouts) of the countries top businessmen (ie; huge supermarket/bank/company executives) have backed these cuts, surely they're doing something right?

The gap in the budget is so huge thanks to Labour, and the Tories have to try and fill it, but then, inevitably in a few years time during the next election, will be voted out because scroungers who sponge of the Government don't like the fact that the benefits for their "bad back" have been cut by £5 a week, or people with no clue of politics think "we're losing money, lets get Labour back". Then Labour will once again waste all our money, and when voted out, the Tories will once again clean up, and there is a certain pattern forming no? - Labour spend, Tories save?

Imo, Labour don't know how to save money...if their Leader, who was their chancellor - the guy in charge of all the money can't make decent decisions about the budget...then I doubt anyone in their party can.

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Indeed I'm still to hear any credible plans or alternatives from Labour when it comes to cutting the deficit. Cutting the deficit in half in 4 years is useless, as we'd still have deficit 4 years later lol. I also have to agree with your comments about Labour, the reason the leadership campaign was so close is because no one stood out, not because there's so much talent in the party lol, no one had the balls or the brains to get rid of Brown therefore they're a bunch of morons.

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Originally Posted by immense

When I have more time I will outline what I personally would do. They're not 100% in touch with Labour. Labour is much better than the current government. It isn't labour's fault either - that's you being brainwashed by the media. The economic downturn was global. It isn't impossible for a country to run with debt you know, far from it.

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I'm not blaming the economic downturn on Labour, however the enormous debt and deficit this country has is all Labour's fault.

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I'm not blaming the economic downturn on Labour, however the enormous debt and deficit this country has is all Labour's fault.

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SO true.

That's like saying it's a horses fault for breaking its own leg. Sure, it didn't see the small mole hole in the ground but it didn't intentionally jar its leg. You can't differentiate between the economic downturn and the financial affairs of this country at the moment.

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That's like saying it's a horses fault for breaking its own leg. Sure, it didn't see the small mole hole in the ground but it didn't intentionally jar its leg. You can't differentiate between the economic downturn and the financial affairs of this country at the moment.

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Yes you can...the economic down turn is one thing - the banks spending too much. The amount of money the Government has is another - controlled by the Chancellor who happened to SPEND IT ALL PLEASING THE PUBLIC.

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That's like saying it's a horses fault for breaking its own leg. Sure, it didn't see the small mole hole in the ground but it didn't intentionally jar its leg. You can't differentiate between the economic downturn and the financial affairs of this country at the moment.

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We were in the economic mess well before the economic downturn. It's come out recently that Tony Blair was getting very concerned about the deficit but Gordon Brown as chancellor refused to do anything about it, this was before the economic downturn. I just can't believe the worst chancellor ever went on to become Prime Minister, it baffles me. Tony Blair's assistants are now helping David Cameron's team sort out the deficit as they were unable to do anything with Brown around according to something I read in The Times last week.

Gordon Brown was well aware he was spending money he didn't have and was getting us in enormous debt, it's no secret.