"Mildy inappropriate content (never anything 18+)"

There has always been one rule on the forum that I have never been 100% certain with, and that's the following:

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A2. Do not post inappropriately ~ Habbox Forum has an audience that includes younger members, and as such all content must be suitable for those members. You must not:
Talk about adult subjects in an explicit manner.
Swear or avoid the forum filter in any way (including by using abbreviations)
Post images, videos or links that with inappropriate content like gore, nudity, obscenity or annoyance.
Post links which may cause a nuisance to other forum members, such as "Rick Rolling" etc.

Mildly inappropriate content (never anything rated 18+) is allowed where sufficient warning is added into the post and the image or link is placed within a spoiler. The final decision on what is or is not inappropriate is at the Moderator's discretion.

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I'm pretty sure the "Mildly inappropriate content - never anything 18+" was added not so long ago. Now to me, that isn't a proper rule. It openly allows itself to be viewed in many different ways. A rule shouldn't leave people in question, it should be clear and be the end of.

So first of all, who decides what is classed as 18+ and what isn't? If a member thinks that what they are posting isn't 18+ but a Mod does, who is wrong and who is right?

I have seen so many things removed and the users punished (even if they have gave a warning) for posting things that would of actually been allowed in a movie rated 15. Here is a screenshot of the guidelines directly from the BFFC, these are the guidelines they have set for films rated 15.

Warning: Contains swearing

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http://i52.tinypic.com/taj6fm.png

The image speaks for itself.

I think it's fair to say that the British Board of Film Classification have a better knowledge and understanding of what a 15+ year old should and should not be allowed to see than any of us here at Hxf. I am not suggesting that you suddenly allow users to start posting around the forum anything that would be acceptable in a rated 15 film, I am suggesting that providing a warning has been given and it is in a spoiler, it should then be allowed.

Thoughts and opinions?

We should just have the guidelines like you've posted :)

The Mildly inappropriate content rule needs to be explained more tbh. We need a list of what is mild to hxf and what isn't. Pretty much 10x better than having a mod base it on their opinion and then have someone reporting the infraction or whatever because they think it's mild which is a waste of time. I won't even attempt to post anything that I think is just mild anymore because the chances are to a mod it won't be

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Originally Posted by stephenHi

The Mildly inappropriate content rule needs to be explained more tbh. We need a list of what is mild to hxf and what isn't. Pretty much 10x better than having a mod base it on their opinion and then have someone reporting the infraction or whatever because they think it's mild which is a waste of time. I won't even attempt to post anything that I think is just mild anymore because the chances are to a mod it won't be

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Agreed.

And agreed with the OP. I remember there being a hilarious video of some idiots throwing stones at a car, then getting run over by that car. It wasnt gruesome or disturbing in any way, yet it got taken down because apparently it wasnt appropriate. Meh, i laughed.

I completely agree. I had this image as my profile picture for about two years until it was removed a few weeks ago for being 'inappropriate'. I know for a fact dozens of admins and moderators had seen it before it was removed and they had no problem with it whatsoever, so this goes to show that some moderators need to better understand the guidelines and really grasp what is appropriate and what isn't, as right now they're not at all on the same page. The rules need to be a lot more specific.

Rules are currently being changed and discussed with Forum Management and General (as apart of the Review I believe - forgive me I've been away). I agree that it would need some better understanding as some of the items listed (especially in terms of language) are currently not allowed on the forum - so yeah it needs to be made more clearer what you can and can not post. I think the spoiler rule also makes it even more complicated as users think they can post it as long as there is a warning/spoiler when in fact it isnt allowed still - this would also need to be addressed.

I also don't like how mods can use their 'discretion' in some cases, it should be firmly pointed out what your not allowed do in the rules. Don't try defend this because I know someone will, this is for example purposes. If a mod doesn't like someone they could be allot more firm on them. Where as someone they like they could just leave it be. I don't find that fair at all that if you did have a bias mod they could do that.

For example youtube videos etc. Clearly point out what we are and are not allowed. (I'm not sure if this has been added, haven't looked at the rules in yonks)


P.S the forum would be a better place if the mods just steered clear from a post unless its reported, then they can investigate because obviously if its not reported, no-ones offended.

I think the restrictions on language are a bit tight here at HxF - although the rules we have regarding sexual content (mention but not in detail and no sex-specific threads) are fine.

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Originally Posted by Hecktix

I think the restrictions on language are a bit tight here at HxF - although the rules we have regarding sexual content (mention but not in detail and no sex-specific threads) are fine.

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You're only saying that because you wrote them lol. I've probably seen PG-13 movies that have sexual references that would be banned on Habbox

This is an example, its not really affecting anyone.......
+ its hilarious you can't even say ********** on the forum lol?

DO NOT CLICK IF UNDER 18 **** HABBOX CONSIDER THIS BAD FOR YOUR HEALTH ****
http://www.clubhabboforum.net/showthread.php?t=330755

"Young audience" is open to interpretation too. In fairness, 13 year olds aren't young so if you get 12 year olds joining then it's not up to the forum and a quick edit in the ToS should solve any issues, by saying that "this forum is intended for teenagers (13+). Younger viewers are advised not to join or to take caution using the forum." 13 is under the legal limit of sex, but 12A films for example allow infrequent swearing e.g. the F word, BUT of course swearing is useless anyway, though this does mean some swearing should probably be allowed (although I am fairly certain the filter has been dealt with in a fair and justifiable manner).

However, before some HxF managers go on their sex craved attitude, 12A or "teenagers" (13+ as intended) are still teenagers and should be dealt with as teens with an appropriate attitude to match. I remember a while ago someone saying that HxF has always wanted to be a professional or "mature" forum, which to me screams out "BORING!" and completely contrasts with the target audience of the forum. This is slowly lightening up, but obviously some improvement may arise.

If anything, I think the attitude of the higher-ups could be improved - some of their attitudes can be so bad you can smell it through any USB port on a computer. The rules themselves are decent, though not perfect.

I do agree with Richie's post to some degree, that some mods are clearly void of "interpreting" rules, as some believe they can read the mind of users when they're about as dumb and stupid as the rest of us when it comes to reading minds. For example, posts which may offend a user, when in fact they probably do not care, and a moderator interception can cause more damage than solve. Members aren't babies, they're 13+ and could probably solve their own problems amongst themselves provided they do not break any of the major rules e.g. language. Bullying is up for interpretating, and a moderator could just as well PM the "bullied" ember asking them if it's okay and take action if it's becoming too heated, though I have noticed some members who are not directly involved tend to calm the discussions e.g. the Minecraft threads in the Minecraft Forum.

It depends if you want to give members a bit of leverage.

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Originally Posted by emotional

You're only saying that because you wrote them lol. I've probably seen PG-13 movies that have sexual references that would be banned on Habbox

This is an example, its not really affecting anyone.......
+ its hilarious you can't even say ********** on the forum lol?

DO NOT CLICK IF UNDER 18 **** HABBOX CONSIDER THIS BAD FOR YOUR HEALTH ****
http://www.clubhabboforum.net/showthread.php?t=330755

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I don't think that's a ridiculous use of the filter really. Personally, I come on the forum to converse about normal topics--you know--not about vile crap like what's contained in that link there :P

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Originally Posted by HotelUser

I don't think that's a ridiculous use of the filter really. Personally, I come on the forum to converse about normal topics--you know--not about vile crap like what's contained in that link there :P

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I see your point but not everyone on the forum is like you. It seem the people who make these rules try to be parents to the users when it really isnt there jobs. It's their job to run the forum

In all honesty, I think they need to chillax. Until a recently, it was illegal (in the states I think) to join forums until you were 14...idk why, but yh. I think, tbh, the rules need to be appropriate to the age group...the rough age range is 13-19, with a few exceptions either side. These guys are teenagers, kids...they wanna talk about teenage issues, eg; sex, drugs, teen life ect. ect. If they can't do that here, where can they?

I think as long as it's not grossly inappropriate, eg; pornographic material, vile nudity, extreme violence, racism, encouragement of drug abuse, or illegal, I don't really see a problem with people asking/debating sex topics. Even stuff like "what's your favourite position" as long as people don't go into great detail...if they just say "69er" or "girl on top" or w/e...then that, for me, is fine...

and I agree about the MODs chillaxing and waiting for a report rather than trying to get up their MOD logs by going and assuming that we're offended by something we're not.

ClubHabbo is **** though so that's not really worth noting. I think people are wrong in this thread. I would love the moderation team to be able to use their own discretion rather than having to stick so firmly to rules. I think that's why there are quite a few horrendous infractions (usually from the same people) because they have to stick to the rules. If they applied common sense to certain situations (you'd have to replace some of the team because they have **** all) then it'd be better.

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Originally Posted by immense

ClubHabbo is **** though so that's not really worth noting. I think people are wrong in this thread. I would love the moderation team to be able to use their own discretion rather than having to stick so firmly to rules. I think that's why there are quite a few horrendous infractions (usually from the same people) because they have to stick to the rules. If they applied common sense to certain situations (you'd have to replace some of the team because they have **** all) then it'd be better.

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Agreed, it's hard to really make sense of moderator discretion though. They should be allowed to interpret the rules, but only if they use common sense rather than outrightly flame anyone in a "pretend to be nice" PM :P The rules were/are badly written as they put too much detail into what constitutes as a broken rule, when you could just get away with "No Swearing. The forum has a filter in operation to block most forms of swearing. Avoiding the filter counts as breaking the rule, as well as new forms of swearing not yet added." Simplez.

Infact, I think I sent whoever was in charge a list of what could be done for rules, as it break them down in sections with sub-sections underlining different types of rules e.g. behaviour, account, personal which further broke down to swearing (behaviour), bullying (behaviour), avatars (account) and user details/pictures (personal). Didn't go through though as it got confusing if I remember rightly :P

Nobody, apart from probably Hecktix has read the rules in full. That says more about him than anybody else though.

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Originally Posted by HotelUser

I don't think that's a ridiculous use of the filter really. Personally, I come on the forum to converse about normal topics--you know--not about vile crap like what's contained in that link there :P

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My reply to that link is i let mine dry and eat it.

Most of the rules are fine but mods shouldn't really take action unless its serious or if someones that deeply offended that they report a post.

I don't have any problem with MODs using common sense, but I'd rather have the thread reported first, if you get me? Because if it's not reported, people aren't offended by it. So if a MOD comes along and closes it when it hasn't been reported it, there is no real reason other than for a nice MOD log to make them look good, and they probably don't like the person who made it?

The rule should be changed so that....all adult content (porn ect.) should be banned, but anything that is not classed as "adult" content, should be allowed, but if it's found offensive by another member, and reported, it's up to the MOD - using common sense - whether or not to close it.

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Originally Posted by GommeInc

Agreed, it's hard to really make sense of moderator discretion though. They should be allowed to interpret the rules, but only if they use common sense rather than outrightly flame anyone in a "pretend to be nice" PM :P The rules were/are badly written as they put too much detail into what constitutes as a broken rule, when you could just get away with "No Swearing. The forum has a filter in operation to block most forms of swearing. Avoiding the filter counts as breaking the rule, as well as new forms of swearing not yet added." Simplez.

Infact, I think I sent whoever was in charge a list of what could be done for rules, as it break them down in sections with sub-sections underlining different types of rules e.g. behaviour, account, personal which further broke down to swearing (behaviour), bullying (behaviour), avatars (account) and user details/pictures (personal). Didn't go through though as it got confusing if I remember rightly :P

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The rule changes made back in... ermmm... April? Were based upon your suggestions, I remember the first set Garion and I presented to Sammeth (based strongly on your suggestions) were declined and we had to change them. The new set of rules are much more basic than Habbox rules have ever been and when we published them (it's different now although rule changes in the next few weeks should change this) there were only 9 rules.

I fully agree that we could just have a list of principles that should be stuck by and people should use their brains to figure out what's acceptable, i.e. if it says "no swearing" don't swear and if it says "no adult content" don't post a thread about how many people you've slept with however there are some people at Habbox who use it against us already with how the rules are as they are, the amount of complaints we get saying "well it doesn't specifically say this in the rules" we have to draw a line somewhere in the middle to keep both sets happy.

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Originally Posted by Hecktix

The rule changes made back in... ermmm... April? Were based upon your suggestions, I remember the first set Garion and I presented to Sammeth (based strongly on your suggestions) were declined and we had to change them. The new set of rules are much more basic than Habbox rules have ever been and when we published them (it's different now although rule changes in the next few weeks should change this) there were only 9 rules.

I fully agree that we could just have a list of principles that should be stuck by and people should use their brains to figure out what's acceptable, i.e. if it says "no swearing" don't swear and if it says "no adult content" don't post a thread about how many people you've slept with however there are some people at Habbox who use it against us already with how the rules are as they are, the amount of complaints we get saying "well it doesn't specifically say this in the rules" we have to draw a line somewhere in the middle to keep both sets happy.

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Are we really not allowed threads saying how many people we slept with?
I hope you were just using that as an example lol

The amount of people we slept with isn't going into any specific sexual detail and would therefore be allowed in a 12 - 15 film ;]

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Originally Posted by emotional

Are we really not allowed threads saying how many people we slept with?
I hope you were just using that as an example lol

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It was the first thing that came into my head, I think the problem with threads dedicated to such purpose is not really the inappropriate nature but the amount of crap and pointless posts they'll draw in.

The thread posted the other week by Jordy regarding one night stands however, is completely fine and if someone posted in that "blah blah i've slept with 6 people four of them were one night stands" - there's nothing wrong with that. Hell we have a section meant specifically for teens if that's not gonna get discussed then it's ignorant on our behalf really.

We just don't want anything graphic or just inappropriate, for instance the thread on ClubHabbo that someone linked to was just vile...

did the stupid are you happy with your **** size thread get removed?

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Originally Posted by stephenHi

did the stupid are you happy with your **** size thread get removed?

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Yes, for the reasons you've highlighted - it was stupid and full of crap :P

I'm not replying to this thread in full, most of what I want to say has been covered by one person or another; but may I add the day HxF starts allowing discussion of how to mop up your seman is the day I'll leave. To put things bluntly, it's pathetic, childish teens trying to look cool, which just makes them look more like a penis in my opinion (pun unintended).

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Originally Posted by Mathew

I'm not replying to this thread in full, most of what I want to say has been covered by one person or another; but may I add the day HxF starts allowing discussion of how to mop up your seman is the day I'll leave. To put things bluntly, it's pathetic, childish teens trying to look cool, which just makes them look more like a penis in my opinion (pun unintended).

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Yep, it certainly was hideous. That thread is just abusing the freedom CH gives them to act mature.

if the little kids can converse about borderline naughty things on here though it would make the less sociable computer geeks more wise on the matter, need to liven up.

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Originally Posted by Hecktix

It was the first thing that came into my head, I think the problem with threads dedicated to such purpose is not really the inappropriate nature but the amount of crap and pointless posts they'll draw in.

The thread posted the other week by Jordy regarding one night stands however, is completely fine and if someone posted in that "blah blah i've slept with 6 people four of them were one night stands" - there's nothing wrong with that. Hell we have a section meant specifically for teens if that's not gonna get discussed then it's ignorant on our behalf really.

We just don't want anything graphic or just inappropriate, for instance the thread on ClubHabbo that someone linked to was just vile...

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That's bull, other threads such as 'what are you eating / drinking' are way more pointless and no-one actually gives two flying ***** what your eating / drinking. Yet you allow them because they don't talk about anything slightly sexual. I'm pretty sure the majority of the kids on this forum understand that children don't just fall out of the poxy sky.

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Originally Posted by Richie

That's bull, other threads such as 'what are you eating / drinking' are way more pointless and no-one actually gives two flying ***** what your eating / drinking. Yet you allow them because they don't talk about anything slightly sexual. I'm pretty sure the majority of the kids on this forum understand that children don't just fall out of the poxy sky.

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I don't think you quite get my point, Richie. Threads such as HOW BIG IS UR PENIS M8 just bring in spam, and it's inappropriate spam at that. You think we're all out to infract you, but by not allowing these threads we're trying to avoid that happening.

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Originally Posted by Hecktix

I don't think you quite get my point, Richie. Threads such as HOW BIG IS UR PENIS M8 just bring in spam, and it's inappropriate spam at that. You think we're all out to infract you, but by not allowing these threads we're trying to avoid that happening.

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I wasn't referring to that thread. I was referring to you saying that we aren't allowed talk about 'how many people we sleep with'. How is that inappropriate? and oli a moderators job is to search the forum to find fault in ones post (well that's what mods seem to think) when they should really only take action for obvious things like avoiding the filter or sexual content. Most other things should be left be, unless someone reports it.

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Originally Posted by Richie

I wasn't referring to that thread. I was referring to you saying that we aren't allowed talk about 'how many people we sleep with'. How is that inappropriate? and oli a moderators job is to search the forum to find fault in ones post (well that's what mods seem to think) when they should really only take action for obvious things like avoiding the filter or sexual content. Most other things should be left be, unless someone reports it.

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If you read my post properly you would see that I have no problem with people discussing how many people they've slept with, however we don't want to see threads dedicated for this purpose.

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Originally Posted by Hecktix

If you read my post properly you would see that I have no problem with people discussing how many people they've slept with, however we don't want to see threads dedicated for this purpose.

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I don't understand :S we are allowed to discuss this but you don't want us to dedicate it for that purpose. Also what about the rest of my post?

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Originally Posted by Hecktix

If you read my post properly you would see that I have no problem with people discussing how many people they've slept with, however we don't want to see threads dedicated for this purpose.

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And how is that any different? Its still being discussed and if anything its even better that its all contained in one thread for the younger viewers

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Originally Posted by NaughtyNemo

And how is that any different? Its still being discussed and if anything its even better that its all contained in one thread for the younger viewers

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Because threads based purely on topics like that end up full of more inappropriate crap and spam - I could drag numerous examples out of unacceptables, if you read my posts above I said for instance, if in the discussion regarding one night stands someone said "I have had six one night stands and only slept with two people I've been dating" that's fine, but threads HOW MANY PPL HAV U SLEPT WIV? will always end badly, and we've got the evidence to prove it.

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Originally Posted by Hecktix

Because threads based purely on topics like that end up full of more inappropriate crap and spam - I could drag numerous examples out of unacceptables, if you read my posts above I said for instance, if in the discussion regarding one night stands someone said "I have had six one night stands and only slept with two people I've been dating" that's fine, but threads HOW MANY PPL HAV U SLEPT WIV? will always end badly, and we've got the evidence to prove it.

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I'd be intrigued to see just how bad your bad is.

This is almost exactly the reason I'm leaving Habbox.

I hope you do not mean "dedicated" as in stickied threads, they're untidy and unnecessary. Talking about how many people you've slept with is perfectly acceptable provided it doesn't go into detail. It'll be kinda interesting to read, IF people say "Well when I was 13 I was a 'orny git and slept with more people than when I turned 16".

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Originally Posted by GommeInc

I hope you do not mean "dedicated" as in stickied threads, they're untidy and unnecessary. Talking about how many people you've slept with is perfectly acceptable provided it doesn't go into detail. It'll be kinda interesting to read, IF people say "Well when I was 13 I was a 'orny git and slept with more people than when I turned 16".

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I agree. I see no reason for us not being allowed to discuss stuff like that as long as we don't go into details. And if people are offended they report the thread and a mod deals with it.