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Specific Forum Election (in case you couldn't work it out)..
Personally I think this is a good idea, people want to be involved, so give them the chance. I know people in spam seem against it, but if you are going to moan when they do nothing, how can you moan when they genuinely want to improve the forum?
Hopefully it goes well, will you be making a team?
I wont be making one but ill join one if their manifesto appeals to me :P (and it sounds realistic)
I think I'm currently in a team, well we've discussed it :)!
I believe I'm in a team too, seems like a good idea. Can't wait to see everyones idea's!
The only thing I don't like is:
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Originally Posted by Prize
To me, that sounds very big headed, perhaps I just took it into the wrong context. I don't see how having direct contact with the forum manager could be part of a prize. It just seems like management think it's some sort of privilege which I don't agree with.
Are you saying if you were someone who enjoys giving feedback around the forum, that being able to put you ideas forward to the Forum Manager for a section of your choice would not appeal to you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Richie
I really do feel you have taken that completely out of context. In no way was that written down as "I'm Forum Manager, I'm amazing I'm going to let you contact me if you win". It is not the direct contact with the Forum Manager that is the prize, it's the being able to have your ideas and feedback used for the section of your choice. The direct contact with the Forum Manager bit is there because I make the decisions of the forum, who else are they going to contact? :P
Clearly not, what I think you are doing is great, I just don't understand how giving you ideas can be part of a prize. Everyone on the forum should be entitled to that, which I thought we were?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nicola
To be fair, Richie does make a point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nicola
Just want to check, no matter if whoever wins, wins, the ideas will actually be discussed in feedback before hand?
You should be able to put your ideas forward through the means of feedback, a PM and what not anyway because this is what this forum is for ;p. I'm sure those who like giving feedback have no problem posting a thread about stuff, so I do see Rich's point in a way. Not the greatest part of the prizes, but the others are quite nice and it is good to see this return :).
Pretty sure thats what the Habbox Feedback Forum is for. And lets be fair, "ideas and feedback used" is a distance away from what it says in the actual competition where it says "ideas and feedback discussed", as it's not you who gets the final say in what goes onto the forum and what doesn't. You have to also make sure that General Management have no problems with it, or at least every other Forum Manager has had to, or perhaps you're getting a free leash for some reason which gives you the idea to state that "you make the decisions of the forum"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nicola
If any forum representative from this election stated an idea previously suggested by a member, nothing would change. If they suggested something new, we wouldn't have a say on whether we agree or not with it until it's implemented because you've went directly to the Forum Manager with it. There's no point in winning this if the Feedback Forum is there, as it is (or at least should be) one of your duties to reply to things related to the forum in the Feedback Forum.
Moving away from that though, I dislike this idea because of how it's individual people and not necessarily teams like it was last year. The General election thing was funny, quite alot of people got involved cuz there was parties, this just doesn't give the same appeal. You've tried to improve something that was good, and failed to manage it.
I'm a bit confused, can you have more than one team per forum?
I was actualy thinking of the election this morning before it was posted and was going to it it in feedback, seeems you beat me! Great idea. I see it as trying to bring the forum together really, it looks like everyone is willing to do it, apart from spam of course :P
Bringing the forum together by separating the forums into individual elections? RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaz
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Originally Posted by Richie
It's not bigheaded at all. Encouraging even more communication between users and forum management isn't bigheaded.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pyroka.V2
Of course Nicki like any other manager is responsible for being involved in feedback threads but keep in mind feedback threads tend to tackle very broad things and just because a member has an opinion doesn't mean they always share it by creating a feedback thread.
Why do we bother having specific section moderators when we could just have a fleet of global moderators, or, why do we bother having moderators at all when we could just rely on users reporting posts? Because having moderators specifically looking out for problems and correcting them is a lot more efficient than us just saying, "but we can accomplish sort of the same thing by just leaving it like this." Just like that example, having a user who loves to post in a section and enjoys a particular section be in a position where they can directly communicate ideas to forum management is a lot better then having to go through a feedback thread.
Another way to look at it is, do you see a lot of feedback threads retaining to the spam forums? I think it's fair to say you don't compared to other things. But by doing what we're doing with the election, someone who primarily posts in the spam forum and is fairly successful in that forum is going to be in a position to give Nicola feedback and opinions that they likely wouldn't otherwise go to the effort of posting in the feedback forum.
I'm not really a fan of the 'twist' tbh. I quite liked how broad it was last year and how it was about the whole forum rather than each section.
I also think it's important to note that the reason people might not be posting feedback about a certain forum is that they are happy with the way it is. If they haven't gone to the effort of posting feedback, the chances are it's not important enough for them to warrant posting it or they don't have any.Quote:
Originally Posted by HotelUser
Yeah I'm not really feeling the new twist but good luck to everyone who enters :)
Did none of the campaign organisers flag up that "HabboxForum Specific Forum Election 2011" is the most ridiculous name for a competition/campaign ever?
Titles are meant to be something short and snappy, maybe even witty. It is an incredibly long name and uses the word "Forum" twice. The fact you would use this as a title suggests none of you have any idea how to communicate with users and how out of touch you all are. Such a mouthful and boring beyond belief. Surely one of you must agree it is an appalling name?
It most probably has good intentions as these sort of management-user interaction based campaigns always do but chances are it'll result in nothing, as always.
The fact that you don't like the name suggests a complete lack of understanding how to communicate with users :P?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jordy
I think in lieu of just concluding that the entire thing will result in nothing from the beginning without saying much more on how to ensure that it does not (other than disagreeing with its title), that you could elaborate here.
Which makes it even more important that forum management has good communication with the users of a section as so they have a nice general consensus of how things are going in that section. You're right in that someone's not going to make a feedback thread just to give their speculations on how things are going when they don't actually want to suggest any major changes (which would generally be what merits a feedback thread) because things are, more or less, going pretty smoothly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Inseriousity.
No not the fact I don't like the name, the fact the name is very long, boring and uninspiring suggests the management are out of touch and unable to communicate with users.Quote:
Originally Posted by HotelUser
I was merely basing my prediction on the previous Habbox Councils and the election last year. Whilst the election was very successful in engaging users and the community as a whole last year, at the end it amounted to very few changes. It's still early days but there was a real competitive edge last year and a lot of talk all round the forum about it, now it's just some uninspiring campaign which will still amount to nothing. If people have decent suggestions they can be put forward in this forum, and quite often they are actually listened to which is a great thing. This uninspiring campaign is pretty much pointless as a result.
To conclude;
The name's awful and I'd even go as far as saying it demonstrates how out of touch the management team is
There needs to be large teams like last year
The prize won't attract people (ooh you can talk to management!)
The exercise is pointless as suggestions can be made in this forum
You're saying we shouldn't do an election because last year the winners were involved in making few changes but then you say we shouldn't do it because the prize of being involved in making changes isn't appealing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jordy
Basing the abilities of anyone off their own ability to come up with a name for something is incredibly baseless. If you don't like the name then say that, but I can't see how it could mean anything more than that.
You said the prize wont attract people but then said the exercise is pointless, though people are participating regardless. I think you may be forgetting that there's more to the prize than just talking to management, and I think a lot of people will participate because it can actually be quite entertaining.
So having said that I don't think it's a pointless exercise at all if it amounts to having some good natured fun and increases the livelyhood of the forum. If you are not attracted to the one aspect of the prize retaining to talking to forum management then fair enough I suppose, and fair enough if you think that never happened last year proceeding the election. That being said, we are going to go to the efforts to ensure that the winners actually do have an opportunity to run with their ideas this year, and even if that only results in us all encouraging the winners to post more feedback threads when they otherwise wouldn't have that's still a noteworthy improvement.
I'm saying it'll probably amount to nothing much like every other "council" Habbox has had. There's absolutely nothing wrong with basing things on history. I'm also saying the campaign is bad and unlikely to be supported as the prize is poor and yes, unappealing.Quote:
Originally Posted by HotelUser
I think I'm making a fair point. If management members are unable to communicate with users in a "fun" or "interesting" manner, why are they in the job? I'm not saying they should be sacked cause they came up with a bad title. But I do think it's worrying that no one on the management team thought to say "HabboxForum Specific Forum Election 2011" is a terribly long, boring and uninspiring name. Especially when just "Habbox Election" would be far more ample and to the point. The idea of this campaign seems to be communication between "Management" and "Users", such a ridiculous name shows a lack of communication and therefore shows how you're all somewhat out of touch and not "down" with the users.Quote:
Originally Posted by HotelUser
I believe the exercise is pointless seeing as it neithers engages the community (like last years) nor will it change much seeing as changes could be brought about by simply creating a reasonable thread in the Feedback forum. I also believe last years campaign was far more entertaining with the team/party element, for instance even I was involved with that, I won't even give this a second look this year and I've little doubt, some others will feel the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by HotelUser
It's a Habbo fansite, a specifically determined prize on Habbo would be far better as well, "Win a throne each" or whatever.Quote:
Originally Posted by HotelUser
"All three of you will be able to contribute to the 'Member of the Month' discussions for your section for 6 months.
Direct contact with the Forum Manager for a period of 6 months to discuss feedback & plans for the forum you represent." - That's not a prize, that's a small privilege. For instance you wouldn't say a Forum Moderator's powers are a prize, you'd say they are a privilege. I'm afraid I just don't think it will be much good natured fun as there is little incentive and it is badly structured with a lack of teams and poor name choice.
Your reluctance to accept any of my criticism and determination to argue each individual point I make just shows how reluctant and out of touch you are (and maybe others) and once again why this campaign will probably result to no changes, the mindset of the management team.
I agree with you in that there's nothing wrong with basing things on history and I'd probably also agree with you that in the past this has been the case with these council based setups to an extent. However it is also very fair of us to learn from the past and promise to turn more of an eye towards those who are elected.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jordy
We would never expect Nicola or any manager for that matter to go to such extraordinary lengths to come up with a name for something. I think that's rather silly and doesn't reflect upon anyone's management skills at all. We are more focused on how well this competition is run and as I previously said, how well kept the communication is between Nicola and the winners. As I said before if you disagree with the name then disagree with it, but that's just a matter of opinion and you cannot derive further valid speculations from something as simple as a name.
I don't think the entire exercise is pointless if people are involving themselves with it. It's too bad you can't participate in the party elements like you could last year and if that's something a lot of people miss then it's something we can consider for the future.
As for the prize it's a Forum competition and the prize is 60 reputation each and 3 months of a unique paid subscription on the forum each on the forum. Contrary to popular belief Habbox does not have vaults of Habbo gold so I think throne prizes might be overshooting it abit (believe me if we had 3 extra thrones as a prize for this we would be using them but I don't think anyone has access to that sort of funds). I honestly don't see the problem with the VIP and reputation being the prize. A lot of members pay real money for VIP and 3 free months times 3 for each winner of it is a pretty sweet deal especially with the reputation. And so that is the actually "prize" sortospeak and you are right in saying the communication with the forum manager is a privilege. A privilege cannot be a prize but the opportunity to access the privilege is a prize. Regardless too, deliberating over such a small technicality is pointless. What you receive if you are one of the three winners is explained very clearly in the announcement.
If it is reluctant and makes me terribly out of touch to form my own opinions (and actually I've even agreed with you at certain parts) then I am amazed we even got as far as to post the competition. It is completely absurd to throw around accusations of being "out of touch" willy nilly like you are. If you wish to discuss the details retaining to the competition then discuss them. Accusing everyone of being out of touch because you don't like the 5 and not 10 word name of something or because someone doesn't agree with you 100% is just nonsense :P
I honestly do believe it is the case, the fact a ridiculous name for a campaign has been allowed without being flagged up shows a lack of judgement and poor communication with users, therefore "out of touch" with the users.Quote:
Originally Posted by HotelUser
But anyway I'm glad we've came to some sort of agreement, you could of just initially replied to my original post by conceding "The name could be better" and how you hope things will be different this time and that the council will be listened to and that would be that, but instead you chose to go down to the route of a long-winded argument. If you can say things with less words it's always better to. Anyway.
Being the only person left who was behind the planning and execution of last years election I can clear up a few of the misconceptions in this thread, I will have to be quick as I am revising and my internet connection is awful at the moment.
Someone mentioned the teams being smaller than last year, actually they are the same size - 3 official team members. When this plan was being discussed it was discussed of having more team members, however it simply wasn't plausible to do this when it came down to prizes (this is the same reason teams were restricted last year). Those that don't want to take part by being on a team can support a team, just like they did last year.
The prize is exactly the same as it was last year, infact I think there are more reputation points involved this year, as it's a forum competition the prize is based on the forum as the whole competition is based on using the forum.
Last year the election was heavily criticised for the winners not actually getting anything in terms of what they were elected for, infact last year there was no prize other than VIP and rep, we had to change this to say we may implement some ideas. I agree with those who say "well you could just post in feedback anyway" and this is true, however as this is one of the highly criticised areas of last year I think it's a good way of countering the complaints on the opposite side of the argument - in reality the prize for this is 3 months special VIP and rep, you get the bonus of being able to contribute to member of the month (which I think is pretty generous really, a lot of people grumble about how this is decided) and the "direct contact" with Forum Management is just added - you've all got direct contact with the Forum Manager and you all know that you've got the feedback forum and the PM system, but perhaps this could mean that if there was a popular idea in feedback for a particular section of the forum the person who wins can push the forum manager to get it through.
The name is awful, I agree Jordy however you've only suggested "Habbox Election" in it's place - which doesn't sum up the principle of the competition, if anybody has any better ideas it would only take 2 seconds to change come graphics - however I believe you will hit the same brick wall David and myself did when Nicola approached us with the idea.
I think it was quite clever to try the "specific forum" route this year rather than the whole forum last year, number one if we did it'd only be criticised for doing the same thing twice but also for years and years HabboxForum has been cliquey and I don't think this will ever change, this competition approaches these cliques to draw them out of their forums to show why they enjoy using HabboxForum - although if I'm wrong on this matter and the majority of feedback agrees, perhaps simply using the same style as last year might be better? I would always say yes to trying something new over bringing back something old. A benefit is it gives the newer/younger members a chance too, last year the election was won by 3 long standing members, obviously newer members are likely to try and represent sections like Habbo and they will have more of a chance due to most of our older members being over in General & Tech.
There are some really good plans for the 'campaign' week of this election utilising other Habbox Departments such as the Help Desk and HabboxLive - it should be much more interactive than last year from what I can tell if participants are as enthusiastic.
So, who's forming teams? I've heard things going round and round but not heard anything concrete yet :O If you're looking for team members etc you can also post here :)
I don't like this, you are essentially undermining Feedback and basically saying that one set of individual's ideas are better because they were elected.
This idea wasn't thought through and is clearly only there so that the prizes had some padding.
Anything that improves communication is fine by for me. As far as the Habbox Council was concerned it was a great idea with really good intentions however the goal posts were shifted so much by the then GM that it became completely impotent and instead of contributing feedback and representing the members all of a sudden it became a 'ideas' committee and nothing else. I don't think the name matters that much - it is just a garnish and this is not an L'oreal. Personally I feel it is a great initiative and kudos goes to those who thought it up. It should be very interesting and also a lot of fun for all those involved. Also I don't think Feedback will be closed during the 6 months. :P
Its sounds too time consuming and confusing :(