Habbox Casino?

Hey,

Well in a discussion in the Habbo in General forum it was brought up again about a 'Habbox Casino', i know this idea gets thrown around alot and Sierk did have one right at the start of Habbox that was quite popular.

I just wanted to see what people thought about this idea. Basically i don't play Habbo like i used to back in the day, so i have quite a bit of furni i could put into making a really nice (green) casino and leaving it there forever really.

I'd run it like any casino on Habbo, anyone can buy Room Rights or D.E at a price obviously (credits from this would go to Habbox). People betting in the room would do it at their own risk and any scammers would be removed from the room.

I just wanted to see some feedback from people on this idea, would it be worth me trying to do something like this? Or would it be a waste of time? How could we ensure Habbox users use the room and thus attract other people from Habbo to Habbox and the casino.

Thanks
~Dan

It's a good idea, I remember the old one... but monitoring of naughty Habbos would have to be pretty good otherwise it could earn Habbox a bad reputation!!! :p

Yeah, I remember sitting in sierk's old one.

Good idea in theory - but would need monitoring closely, like Myke said.

I'm sure, if we got it popular enough, it would naturally get monitored well.

I mean, you'd be surprised how many PMs we get from users whilst in HxHD about Staff or other Members. I think our members are pretty good at moderating things for us alot of the time. I think with a casino, they would be even better, because if they were scammed by someone in the room, they would probably immediately send me a PM and i'd sort the scammer out that way.

I'd have to make it clear that Habbox is not responsible for any loss of furni in the room, and they only bet what they can afford.

I just want to make sure i won't waste my time doing this. Like you said Tom, it's a great idea in theory, i just need to backing of Habbox members to help me keep it mildly popular.

Be tricky to mod. And it would need to be modded well so as to not give habbox a bad reputation for scamming and such. Someone might scam, get away with it, and end up scamming lots of people under habbox's name. But, if it is pulled off well it could be awesome.

I think it's a good idea... might bring a different set of members to Habbox again! The scammer issure might be a problem though - especially with more popular casinos, the threat gets higher. Maybe you could set up a group of trusted Habbox members/staff who are like official room 'mods' as well as the dealers to take the pressure off of you to sort out the scammers!

Whatever you say such as Habbox is not responsible etc. you'll still get members that are new to Habbo or the whole casino scene accusing Habbox of scamming.

You're probably better off making a casino yourself and promoting it on the forums to save Habbox getting any crap for it. And about the reporting issue, if a bunch of people report a user that is innocent and you remove the persons rights then you'll have them blaming Habbox or yourself (which will lead onto Habbox too).

Also, what advantages would there be out of an official Habbox casino? There wouldn't be that much people using Habbox values because they would much rather use an official product by Sulake that they can trust.

Im sure theres plenty of people at habbox who bet and would be willing to help out. Its a good idea and I hope it gets put forward for further consideration.

I've always been a fan of the idea. As long as Habbox set up a 'terms and conditions' thread somewhere regarding evidence of scammers and responsibility, I don't really see it as much of a problem. Could earn some money for Habbox in terms of the casino itself and the kind of Habbo it brings in (to advertise things like the lottery etc). :)

It's worth a try imo. It will be monitored because there will nearly always be members & staff in there.

Can I just say though - any staff caught scamming in there should be immediately fired? Because it's a breach of trust. But yeah I like the idea.

It's a good idea, but anyone could just buy rights and then advertise it like 'Come to the Official Habbox Casino' and then people will bet, thinking they are betting Habbox Staff or something, therefore presuming its safe which would mean they could be betting large amounts and if they get scammed, everyone will point the finger at Habbox and it will get a bad reputation.

An official Habbox casino is something which was turned down in the past because of the risk of scammers giving Habbox a bad reputation. However, other than that I don't think it's a bad idea at all. As mentioned already, it could be worth a try.

I think it would give Hx a bad rep personally - the chances of someone scammer are very high imo

I vaguely remember Sierk's casino. I think its a great idea, I have always supported this idea and hope it can be created!

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Originally Posted by Skizzling

Whatever you say such as Habbox is not responsible etc. you'll still get members that are new to Habbo or the whole casino scene accusing Habbox of scamming.

You're probably better off making a casino yourself and promoting it on the forums to save Habbox getting any crap for it. And about the reporting issue, if a bunch of people report a user that is innocent and you remove the persons rights then you'll have them blaming Habbox or yourself (which will lead onto Habbox too).

Also, what advantages would there be out of an official Habbox casino? There wouldn't be that much people using Habbox values because they would much rather use an official product by Sulake that they can trust.

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Originally Posted by Marketing

I think it would give Hx a bad rep personally - the chances of someone scammer are very high imo

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Originally Posted by sophiethenerd

Be tricky to mod. And it would need to be modded well so as to not give habbox a bad reputation for scamming and such. Someone might scam, get away with it, and end up scamming lots of people under habbox's name. But, if it is pulled off well it could be awesome.

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I really don't think it would be that tricky to mod, other casino's get by so easy. I mean when ever anyone gets scammed in a room, that person is going to report it to the room owner, it's what always happens in casinos.

Aslong as you don't sell rights off too cheap, you shouldn't attract the lowlife scammers.

And @ Calvin, the advantage is just exactly what Laura said. It'd bring a different type of member to Habbox. Yes it won't revive rare values, nothing will to an extend they were 2 years ago, but thats beyond our control, don't get me started on the Marketplace again. But really this idea is nothing to do with Rare Values or any department, it just for Habbox and to help get us a different class of members. Yes Casino owners and dealers are known for trading, so if we brought them to Habbox Forum it could boost the trading forum and the anything about furni section. I know people like Ouft, Dez, Intern and Believemesafety who are/were casino owners came to habbox and normally stay in the trading sections.

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Originally Posted by Inseriousity.

I've always been a fan of the idea. As long as Habbox set up a 'terms and conditions' thread somewhere regarding evidence of scammers and responsibility, I don't really see it as much of a problem. Could earn some money for Habbox in terms of the casino itself and the kind of Habbo it brings in (to advertise things like the lottery etc). :)

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I really like that idea of terms and conditions Mike, i'll definately do something like that and i'll make sure to have it on a wired message as they enter the room.

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Originally Posted by Right-Wing

It's worth a try imo. It will be monitored because there will nearly always be members & staff in there.

Can I just say though - any staff caught scamming in there should be immediately fired? Because it's a breach of trust. But yeah I like the idea.

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If any staff member was caught scamming in the room i would remove them immediately (aslong as i have sufficient proof and witness). Same with members or Habbox, if i found that a member of habbox had gone on a scamming spree in the room, i would try my hardest to have them banned for Habbox.

I'm not going to comment on whether or not I like the idea because I honestly don't mind either way (having said that I don't think MAD's was extremely popular) but in regards to your comment about "other casinos getting by so easily" Dan, the difference is that that can only damage the dealer's reputation. However, as you'd be representing Habbox, if someone scammed it'd influence Habbox's reputation despite any Ts&Cs because unfortunately that's how life is. There'll always be people who don't understand the Ts&Cs, or really, read them, and therefore pass messages onto their friends that Habbox scams and it could severely damage how much people trust Habbox.

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Originally Posted by -Danube-

I really don't think it would be that tricky to mod, other casino's get by so easy. I mean when ever anyone gets scammed in a room, that person is going to report it to the room owner, it's what always happens in casinos.

Aslong as you don't sell rights off too cheap, you shouldn't attract the lowlife scammers.



I really like that idea of terms and conditions Mike, i'll definately do something like that and i'll make sure to have it on a wired message as they enter the room.



If any staff member was caught scamming in the room i would remove them immediately (aslong as i have sufficient proof and witness). Same with members or Habbox, if i found that a member of habbox had gone on a scamming spree in the room, i would try my hardest to have them banned for Habbox.

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I went to a casino and bet 20c. Rights were 3gb - and got scammed. Shock the scammer is still there as I didn't RECORD it.

You could have Casino Moderators or something

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Originally Posted by Marketing

I went to a casino and bet 20c. Rights were 3gb - and got scammed. Shock the scammer is still there as I didn't RECORD it.

You could have Casino Moderators or something

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There is no doubt, we'll come across scammers from time to time, people are aware of that when they enter casinos too.

And i like the idea of Casino Moderators, i'm sure to begin with i could get a team of staff to help me out with this (this will help with popularity of the room too). Then when the casino gets established i can get more Moderators from Habbox Members and regular users of the rooms.

Obviously the main issue here is going to be scammers.

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Originally Posted by -Danube-

There is no doubt, we'll come across scammers from time to time, people are aware of that when they enter casinos too.

And i like the idea of Casino Moderators, i'm sure to begin with i could get a team of staff to help me out with this (this will help with popularity of the room too). Then when the casino gets established i can get more Moderators from Habbox Members and regular users of the rooms.

Obviously the main issue here is going to be scammers.

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I think to start with you should have maybe a couple of moderators, perhaps some community managers or senior staff just to get it rolling. Then the people who are staff and are making an effort to keep it popular perhaps could become moderators too providing they've been here a fair amount of time and don't resign on and off for no reason, this'll help build it up.

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Originally Posted by -Danube-

There is no doubt, we'll come across scammers from time to time, people are aware of that when they enter casinos too.

And i like the idea of Casino Moderators, i'm sure to begin with i could get a team of staff to help me out with this (this will help with popularity of the room too). Then when the casino gets established i can get more Moderators from Habbox Members and regular users of the rooms.

Obviously the main issue here is going to be scammers.

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Just to point out, I wouldn't say there are many members of Habbox staff that should, a) be trusted with rights etc, and b) actually know how a casino works.

Sorry if that insults anyone, but I wouldn't put staff above the members. Moderators should simply be people who have had DE rights and been seen to pay big bets.

I like it t;) but i agree with robbie :P

I'll probably work it how Alex said, get senior staff and community managers to 'moderate' the room at first. But like you said Dom, they will really only have DE rights.

(quote wont work but @Dom) Moderating could be different to dealing though - moderators could have a more forum and pm based job, rather than actually dealing with the bets themselves, and be a go-between for the members and Dan. I like Alex's idea of using trusted senior members of staff, then filtering it down with popularity.

If you wish to ruin Habbox's reputation then go ahead.

And why would somebody be banned on Habbox for scamming on Habbo @Dan? :rolleyes:

I don't see why it would be difficult to moderate?

How many scammers would actually get access to the casino? And more to the point, Habbox has loads of staff I'm sure could be trusted to help moderate it.

Make it as good as Sierks. :'(

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Originally Posted by Ayd

I don't see why it would be difficult to moderate?

How many scammers would actually get access to the casino? And more to the point, Habbox has loads of staff I'm sure could be trusted to help moderate it.

Make it as good as Sierks. :'(

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Are you aware of how many people you can actually bet without getting scammed now? :rolleyes:

It's a good idea but at the same time bad, if the room is owned by habbox management the chances are if people get scammed they'd say "habbox scammed me" it would do more bad for the site than good.

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Originally Posted by Skizzling

If you wish to ruin Habbox's reputation then go ahead.

And why would somebody be banned on Habbox for scamming on Habbo @Dan? :rolleyes:

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If a member of Habbox scammed lots of people with the Habbox Casino and i had proof of this, i'd try my hardest to get them removed from Habbox. I don't want people like that around Habbox and i doubt anyone else does.

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Originally Posted by Marketing

Are you aware of how many people you can actually bet without getting scammed now? :rolleyes:

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Yes because I'm sure Habbox would let complete randomers who were untrusted be allowed in the booths. :rolleyes:

If you were going to do it I wouldn't allow rights or entrance rights to be sold, just let the trusted few have them.

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Originally Posted by Skizzling

You're probably better off making a casino yourself and promoting it on the forums to save Habbox getting any crap for it. And about the reporting issue, if a bunch of people report a user that is innocent and you remove the persons rights then you'll have them blaming Habbox or yourself (which will lead onto Habbox too).

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I agree with this. You'd be much better calling it your casino and shoving Habbox.com in the room description, that way you get the blame for scamming not Habbox. As Dom has said, it's incredibly easy for scammers to gain access to casinos; why should it matter how much the rights cost for them?... they can get all they want through scamming. :P

I doubt it's a matter of "omfg Habbox scammed me" - it's just more of the stigma which will be attached to the site. If you got scammed in a casino endorsed by Habbox, then you're obviously gonna see Habbox in negative light due to a bad experience.

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Originally Posted by Skizzling

Also, what advantages would there be out of an official Habbox casino? There wouldn't be that much people using Habbox values because they would much rather use an official product by Sulake that they can trust.

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loooool.

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Originally Posted by -Danube-

I really like that idea of terms and conditions Mike, i'll definately do something like that and i'll make sure to have it on a wired message as they enter the room.

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I'm sure everyone is going to take a look at some good old "Terms & Conditions" about how to behave in a room on a teen chatroom... :P

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Originally Posted by -Danube-

Same with members or Habbox, if i found that a member of habbox had gone on a scamming spree in the room, i would try my hardest to have them banned for Habbox.

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Originally Posted by Skizzling

And why would somebody be banned on Habbox for scamming on Habbo @Dan? :rolleyes:

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lol, agreed with Calvin here. Habbo and Habbox are two completely different sites and you can't go banning random members just because they've scammed on Habbo.... :P Staff fair enough, but I don't think its your or anyones right to shove power in the faces of people who just want to play Habbo...

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Originally Posted by -Danube-

If a member of Habbox scammed lots of people with the Habbox Casino and i had proof of this, i'd try my hardest to get them removed from Habbox. I don't want people like that around Habbox and i doubt anyone else does.

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If they make decent posts on Habbox Forum and they're polite when around people, then I honestly wouldn't care. You'd run into too many ambiguous situations.

Overall, I think it's a good idea in theory but I think you'd be better making your own and putting Habbox somewhere in the description. Although then again Dan... I paid 25c for rights in your casino about a year ago and it closed a few days later, so I don't have high hopes at all. Still waiting for a refund.

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Originally Posted by Mathew

lol, agreed with Calvin here. Habbo and Habbox are two completely different sites and you can't go banning random members just because they've scammed on Habbo.... :P Staff fair enough, but I don't think its your or anyones right to shove power in the faces of people who just want to play Habbo...

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As much as I'd like that to be true, it isn't. Habbox have banned users from habboxforum for acting an arse in the desk. Habbox management get their hands tangled with situations that don't involve them. For example when I made / hosted certain websites in the past management practically blackmailed me, remove it or an IP ban from the website was in the horizon. That's like me punching the guy next door in the face who works for google and google ip banning me.

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Originally Posted by Richie

As much as I'd like that to be true, it isn't. Habbox have banned users from habboxforum for acting an arse in the desk. Habbox management get their hands tangled with situations that don't involve them. For example when I made / hosted certain websites in the past management practically blackmailed me, remove it or an IP ban from the website was in the horizon. That's like me punching the guy next door in the face who works for google and google ip banning me.

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Yeah I remember you telling me about that before.. it's just stupid. If the damage isn't done on Habbox Forum there people should just keep themselves to themselves. I think a problem is that many staff just don't realise members have a life away from the site and they are actually entitled to do things which don't concern Habbox.. :P

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Originally Posted by Richie

As much as I'd like that to be true, it isn't. Habbox have banned users from habboxforum for acting an arse in the desk. Habbox management get their hands tangled with situations that don't involve them. For example when I made / hosted certain websites in the past management practically blackmailed me, remove it or an IP ban from the website was in the horizon. That's like me punching the guy next door in the face who works for google and google ip banning me.

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That is a good example, although there is a counter to that.

If I go and run on a football pitch at a football league ground and punch one of the players, I will be banned from the club I support and also the chances are all the other football league grounds in England.

Also, as a referee, if I put something on facebook or twitter about a game I referee and someone complains to the FA about it, I get suspended - despite the fact I said it on facebook and not at the game or where I am actually representing the FA.

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Originally Posted by Mathew

Yeah I remember you telling me about that before.. it's just stupid. If the damage isn't done on Habbox Forum there people should just keep themselves to themselves. I think a problem is that many staff just don't realise members have a life away from the site and they are actually entitled to do things which don't concern Habbox.. :P

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Agreed, perhaps with new management soon things will hopefully change. Habbox management need to remember, they manage habbox. They don't manage the internet :P.

I quite like this idea. Yeah people might be scammed but maybe only give staff members rights so if they scam they're going to get fired.

P.S. Would this not be something Martin would be looking into if anyone? Y'know, being Community AGM and all that jazz?

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Originally Posted by Marketing

That is a good example, although there is a counter to that.

If I go and run on a football pitch at a football league ground and punch one of the players, I will be banned from the club I support and also the chances are all the other football league grounds in England.

Also, as a referee, if I put something on facebook or twitter about a game I referee and someone complains to the FA about it, I get suspended - despite the fact I said it on facebook and not at the game or where I am actually representing the FA.

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I can see where you're coming from but my post and your post are two completely different scenarios. Referees need to follow terms and conditions regarding their job role and those players that you punched, that event happened within the clubs grounds.


My point is - Referees know what not to do, they have terms and conditions. It doesn't say in the habbox rules we can not create a website. (Once it's not infringing habboxs copyright of course)

The football players that you punched you hit them within the clubs grounds (habbox) so they should be fired (banned). If you got into a brawl with those two players in a bar, you can't lose your job unless you are once again breaking terms and conditions with your club.

What about a forum post requirement for dealers, would maybe cut down scammers? who would go through that to steal some furni/credits.

I like the whole cino idea.

it wouldbe awesome be all the scamming and stuff.. But then most people would hang out there not in the HxHD :P

Good idea, dealers entrance could go towards habbox comps!

I do think its a good idea but i think it should only be run by HxStaff because anyone can scam & it will give habbox a bad name due to it being the Habbox casino...

you can give it a go though