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Brilliant :D
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-16875921Quote:
Hacking network Anonymous has released a recording of a conference call between the FBI and UK police in which they discuss efforts against hacking.
The call, said to have taken place last month, covers the tracking of Anonymous and similar groups, dates of planned arrests and evidence details.
Anonymous also published an email, apparently from the FBI, showing the email addresses of call participants.
Listening to the call now.
Anywhere I can listen to it?
Sounds interesting
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pl3sp...ature=youtu.beQuote:
Originally Posted by Best
Listening now, bit uninteresting atm. Talking about sheffield.
Will give it a listen later but not a fan ofAnonymous
The policeman starts calling them attention seeking ***** and I flipped, clearly he is not interested in the true motives of anonymous - protesting against censorship, insecure and immoral companies and the whole 1% bullcrap. I'd hardly call hacking attention seeking considering most of the effort goes into not being noticed.
Sorry what you said would have made sense if Anonymous hadn't teamed up with LuzSec - But they did and LuzSec just took down sites for fun, asked for sites to take down and even released people's information, card information etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chippiewill
The problem with all these hacking groups in my opinion is they say they are doing this for the people, they are the peoples voice but in the end they end up dealing with sensitive information and stuff, the same information they say the government shouldn't deal with.
I think in that case he was talking about that one kid who was bragging about stealing credit card details from Steam, and I totally agree with what they said. In that case, it's nothing but attention seeking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chippiewill
also the person they're mainly speaking about is the kid who supposedly 'hacked' 30,000 steam accounts
what good does that do for anyone
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Originally Posted by jackass
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Originally Posted by wixard
This is my main point. I think while Anonymoushas some okay ideas but the problem is in its principle structure. Because anyone can really call themselvesAnonymous and anyone can join, there isn't really a owner (don't know how it fully started really). This means that people can join and use the name but do something that maybe a load don't agree with.
Anonymous is public about everything is the difference, forces people to improve their security before someone someone with slightly more malicious intent hacks them.
Yet they supported Luzsec who actually released peoples card details, pins etc on the internet for anyone to take, use steal etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chippiewill
There is a difference between telling people there's a problem to fix it with actually broadcasting the problem so scammers can use it.
Lulzsec were a group of highly skilled individuals, to not support them would be idiotic to put it simply.Quote:
Originally Posted by peteyt
Anonymous actually started out on Habbo Hotel funnily enough (Seeing as we are a Habbo forum and all that, it often gets overlooked). Even Wikipedia verifies it ;)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timelin...ving_Anonymous
The whole pool raids with black people, afros and AIDs were where it all began and now it's intercepting US-UK government conference calls, quite interesting. That's not to say the same people are involved by any means but that's when "Anonymous" was first used to describe the groups of troublemakers, attention-seekers, hackers etc and it's just grown from there. Personally I think they're just attention seekers trying to be some sort of uncalled for paramilitary group which has not had any affect on anything in the real world yet. Just a bunch of losers controlling botnets really, nothing that skilled either.
Lmao highly skilled individuals. More like kids. There name Luzsec meant for the lulz/lolz etc. They weren't hacktivists really they simply took sites down for fun. They actually asked people to submit sites they should take down, they took down game sites just to annoy the people who used it oh and they actually released debit card information including pins.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oleh
This should not be praised. All the people who praise them wouldn't be praising them if it was there card information that was leaked and they got their bank account hacked or something. It just goes to show how much we laugh at stuff until it happens to us.
Exactly, They did it for fun and they did it unplanned. Thus relating to what I said about them being highly skilled. I could not care less if they were hactivists or not, they are skilled and anonymous did sort of aid them in Operation AntiSec and to clear up some confusion, they have posted my account details on the internet, I am not the least bit surprised nor bothered.Quote:
Originally Posted by peteyt
So your telling me if they got hold of your actual bank account details and pins and using this someone was able to steal your card and your money before you could realise it, you wouldn't be bothered?Quote:
Originally Posted by Oleh
The call wasn't actually that interesting, was expecting a lot more
I will certainly not defend the actions of Lulzsec, they were no discriminate in who they attacked and were not doing it for any purpose, nor am I happy that Anonymous helped them. However they did at least enlighten companies that a ddos is a very viable means by which their services can be taken down and I know many companies have taken actions to strengthen their defense to ddos attacks since.Quote:
Originally Posted by peteyt
Anonymous adopts a more direct strategy, by widely publicising the lack of security (And let's be honest most of the websites they hack were poorly setup) they force companies to be more active about it, if they just get sent a message saying "here you have a security flaw" then they'll just sit on it and sort it out when there's a problem with the lack of security. The fear that Anonymous instills into companies forces them to beef up security just so they don't have the embarrassment and lose all their customers.Quote:
Originally Posted by peteyt
It also raises consumer awareness about which websites care about their people's privacy.
That is really what made me hate Anon. I used to think they where doing stuff for a reason then they supported Lulzsec which basically went lets hack anything for fun for no reason. I am all for making people aware of security risks, just not at the expense of my own information.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chippiewill
No I wouldn't, as much of a surprise it may be. It would make me open my eyes to my abysmal attempts at concealing my details and step it up. The money would get replaced and my bank would be changed. Not even worried.Quote:
Originally Posted by peteyt
You're acting like a child about it, if you had your identity stolen you would be bothered. I'm not saying you should sit at home worried about it, as you absolutely shouldn't but to support these nonsense hacking and attention seeking groups, and in some cases support what they're doing (stealing peoples details, putting them online and taking down websites on request) is ridiculous. You talk about them as if they are some sort of paramilitary freedom fighting brave heroes. They're just teenage computer nerds which are essentially morons, and supported by such.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oleh
It's incredibly rare for anything interesting to come out of Anonymous or Lulzsec. They just do it for attention - it gets a bit boring after a while :PQuote:
Originally Posted by GoldenMerc
Finally who sees the truth ha. Got to rep you for this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jordy
They are a bunch of ******s!
Unless you think hacking a site aimed at epileptic people to try and cause seizures is a "good" thing (feel free to look it up) then Anonymous not as great as you make them out to be.