new Xbox to not have a CD Drive?

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09-03-2012, 08:49 PM
peteyt

new Xbox to not have a CD Drive?

I've seen a few posts that appear to state that Microsoft may be completely removing the optical drives from the next Xbox console in favour of downloadable games/content and possibly the ability of using solid state storage.

Something doesn't sound right here to me. I don't have an Xbox, I have a ps3 and to be honest I rarely game at the moment. But the PS3 has a blu-ray player and has always seemed a little bit better to me. Removing the optical disc drive from the Xbox just seems like Microsoft could be forcing gamers to move to the PS3 or even the PS4.

It's a rumour and not a lot is known. What do you think?

http://t3kd.com/blog/2012/03/09/next...3kd+%28t3kd%29
09-03-2012, 09:18 PM
dbgtz

Well the current one has a DVD not a CD drive so for something in this day and age I'd hope that they wouldn't use a CD drive... :3

It would be a stupid move by microsoft and is unlikely to happen. Not only does it severely limit their market to only those with a decent internet, but it would put people off buying it as they might prefer buying preowned games or often sell their games in exchange for new ones therefore they would go for the hardware which would offer that.
09-03-2012, 10:41 PM
xxMATTGxx

Hasn't this rumour always come up in regards of the next Xbox? :P
09-03-2012, 10:56 PM
Chippiewill

Not going to happen unless Microsoft doesn't take a share and lets publishers get games on there for free. Then publishers will love Microsoft and not develop for the PS4.
09-03-2012, 11:05 PM
lTraditional

Sounds like a pointless move to me and just seems like microsoft are being cheap **** and making us pay full price. Although I am a PS3 guy, I am not fasinated by either the new xbox and the PS4 tbh.
09-03-2012, 11:20 PM
Chippiewill

Microsoft is technically just forcing you to pay the developers rather than enable Game and other second hand sale games places to rip the developers off.
10-03-2012, 12:01 AM
dbgtz

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Originally Posted by Chippiewill

Not going to happen unless Microsoft doesn't take a share and lets publishers get games on there for free. Then publishers will love Microsoft and not develop for the PS4.

That wouldn't happen unless the PS4 was a commerical failure

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Originally Posted by Chippiewill

Microsoft is technically just forcing you to pay the developers rather than enable Game and other second hand sale games places to rip the developers off.

It's not really "ripping the developers off" as those who trade games in could well reinvest in new games but if they couldn't trade those games in then they wouldn't have the money to buy new games. Also nowadays, there's online passes, dlc and other ways to make money from games then the actual game itself.
10-03-2012, 01:23 AM
peteyt

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Originally Posted by Chippiewill

Microsoft is technically just forcing you to pay the developers rather than enable Game and other second hand sale games places to rip the developers off.

What dbgtz said but also at the end of the day I'm sure if it was a choice of people buying the games second hand Vs people downloading themillegallyI'm sure the developers would prefer the first. People these days like to try and get abargain.
10-03-2012, 09:33 AM
xxMATTGxx

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Originally Posted by dbgtz

That wouldn't happen unless the PS4 was a commerical failure

It's not really "ripping the developers off" as those who trade games in could well reinvest in new games but if they couldn't trade those games in then they wouldn't have the money to buy new games. Also nowadays, there's online passes, dlc and other ways to make money from games then the actual game itself.

I've heard that the workers at game have to push the sales of "Used" games as the company gets far more money. So it depends if the customer falls for it or not.
10-03-2012, 10:16 AM
dbgtz

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Originally Posted by xxMATTGxx

I've heard that the workers at game have to push the sales of "Used" games as the company gets far more money. So it depends if the customer falls for it or not.

Yes but that's because they're on the brink of going bust.
10-03-2012, 10:24 AM
xxMATTGxx

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Originally Posted by dbgtz

Yes but that's because they're on the brink of going bust.

No they have been doing that for a number of years now, according to an Ex-Worker who worked their in like 2007 :P
10-03-2012, 11:30 PM
:.justben.:

Lol if the new xbox is like that i wont be getting and if ps is like that i move to computer gaming :)
10-03-2012, 11:55 PM
dbgtz

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Originally Posted by xxMATTGxx

No they have been doing that for a number of years now, according to an Ex-Worker who worked their in like 2007 :P

That may be, but it's been much harder recently as they want to clear the stock :P Also to be honest, I've never noticed it except once where the product was out of stock new and only used versions remained.
11-03-2012, 01:54 PM
samsaBEAR

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Originally Posted by xxMATTGxx

I've heard that the workers at game have to push the sales of "Used" games as the company gets far more money. So it depends if the customer falls for it or not.

Yeah this is true, I know someone that's worked there for a couple of years now and he's always been told to try and sell pre-owned games over brand new games.

I don't like the idea of their not being discs. If I'm shelling out £40 (and I'm sure prices will sneak up on the next gen of consoles) per game, I'd actually like to hold something and smell it and stuff rather than it just download onto my console
11-03-2012, 01:59 PM
Chippiewill

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Originally Posted by dbgtz

It's not really "ripping the developers off" as those who trade games in could well reinvest in new games but if they couldn't trade those games in then they wouldn't have the money to buy new games. Also nowadays, there's online passes, dlc and other ways to make money from games then the actual game itself.

The reinvestment means nothing to the developer as the preowned game will prevent a future full purchase down the line (Game undercuts the full price by barely anything so it's not a case of "more likely to be sold").

According to TotalBiscuit (Who used to work at GAME), they're forced to push the preowned because they buy them under the price of wholesale for new games.

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Originally Posted by samsaBEAR

I don't like the idea of their not being discs. If I'm shelling out £40 (and I'm sure prices will sneak up on the next gen of consoles) per game, I'd actually like to hold something and smell it and stuff rather than it just download onto my console

This isn't as much of an issue as you'd think, PC gamers used to be wary of Steam however people are comfortable with it now. Danger is if you get banned from the service and you lose all your games. THAT is the scary bit. Although even the physical discs for games by Valve on PC mean nothing as everything gets authed through steam anyway.
11-03-2012, 02:13 PM
dbgtz

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Originally Posted by Chippiewill

The reinvestment means nothing to the developer as the preowned game will prevent a future full purchase down the line (Game undercuts the full price by barely anything so it's not a case of "more likely to be sold").

According to TotalBiscuit (Who used to work at GAME), they're forced to push the preowned because they buy them under the price of wholesale for new games

Well firstly, there are more shops then GAME/Gamestation. Secondly, not right away but after a month or so you'll often see a larger decrease. Ultimately, preowned games probably help tackle piracy due to the fact if you had little money and the choice of an expensive legitimate copy or a free illegal copy, the latter is the most likely choice, especially if the game is a huge risk and you may not even like it. Also, those who buy preowned are more likely to buy other things relating to the game, as previously stated. It is quite likely then that what the developer would have lost before is likely to be made up through these purchases.

So while shops may prefer the customer to buy the preowned copy, with more games offering DLC what they initially "lost" may be recuperated. However having said all of that, it purely does depend on the game.
11-03-2012, 02:32 PM
Chippiewill

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Originally Posted by dbgtz

Well firstly, there are more shops then GAME/Gamestation.

There are no other large chains which deal in preowned. Charity stores are too small to have an impact and no other stores except independents do preowned.

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Originally Posted by dbgtz

Ultimately, preowned games probably help tackle piracy due to the fact if you had little money and the choice of an expensive legitimate copy or a free illegal copy, the latter is the most likely choice, especially if the game is a huge risk and you may not even like it.

Game don't drop prices enough on preowned for this to happen.

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Originally Posted by dbgtz

Also, those who buy preowned are more likely to buy other things relating to the game, as previously stated.

Bollocks, those who buy preowned are more likely to sell back to get another game whilst the game is still worth something and wouldn't waste money investing in DLC they can't purchase once they return.

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Originally Posted by dbgtz

It is quite likely then that what the developer would have lost before is likely to be made up through these purchases.

Most games don't have DLC, those that do are large franchises where people buy new enmass on the first day anyway.
11-03-2012, 02:48 PM
dbgtz

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Originally Posted by Chippiewill

There are no other large chains which deal in preowned. Charity stores are too small to have an impact and no other stores except independents do preowned.

Are you forgetting Cex?

Game don't drop prices enough on preowned for this to happen.

Yes they do for a lot of games

Bollocks, those who buy preowned are more likely to sell back to get another game whilst the game is still worth something and wouldn't waste money investing in DLC they can't purchase once they return.

The whole idea of DLC is to expand a game. If they don't like the game then no they won't buy it.

Most games don't have DLC, those that do are large franchises where people buy new enmass on the first day anyway.

That may be true but if a game isn't huge the chances are the people who will buy it will buy it new as they are a fan of the franchise or developer and want to support it.

Extended.