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bunch of dry ****es whoever reported the +rep thread moaning over a bit of ppl pointlessly +reppin, it's like the only positive thing on the forum. Sorry for putting everyones high rep power at risk x must of worked so hard.
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haha oh i just realized my rep has went down, oh well! everyone loves a bit of pointless rep, just look at the christmas threads & when we offered to give rep to vote for a charity. dunno why they'd remove it especially as its been there for a while..?
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Originally Posted by buttons
I agree lol i was always against pointless +rep but who gives a ****. Understandably pointless -reps should be removed because it's just negative and no forum wants to have a negative atomosphere, the feature is there for legitimately disagreeing with someone within reason. If anything hxf should promote positive things like this. It's so dumb that on a habbo forum they remove pointless +rep. The ppl who moan are usually with high rep anyway and I don't think they gained 40 odd power through legit +reps lol.
BUT ITZ IN THE RULEZ U CNT +REP POINTLESSLY
the terms and conditions also state that hx can do what they like as it's their site but they continue to stick to old negative ways
@xxMATTGxx;
I noticed this earlier and pinned the blame on MG for messing around on my account, hahaha.
tbh, I'm glad I'm not the person faced with the task of removing all that rep - they're in for a boring few nights.. :(!
whoever reported it should have all of their pointless +rep removed
We aren't always negative because we have always allowed it at Christmas time.
Why is it that the +rep feature needs to be monitored anyway? It isn't causing anyone any harm, just a bunch of ppl complaining cos they dnt want someone to be higher rep than them on a hab forum. This definitely needs changing, promote positivity, remove negativity.Quote:
Originally Posted by xxMATTGxx
The -rep feature is good for ppl who are being **** heads, they deserve to be -repd but obviously if it's pointless and just someone acting the ******* remove it.
Because surely people should be gaining rep power with good reason? I guess it's always up to discussion. @brandon;Quote:
Originally Posted by Richie
If someone gets their rep removed is it still on your recently repped people?
fair enough this is basically a quick rep boosting thread so shouldn't have really been there in the first place but allowing it to stay for so many months and only now removing it is silly.
remove the thread, leave the reps. establish a reactive rule stating that any threads of its nature in future will be removed for whatever reason and leave it at that. :) there's still going to be 'pointless' +/-reps on the forum outside of the thread.
what kyle said makes sense
the thread was basically breaking the 'dont ask for rep' rule, shouldnt have gone on for that long imo
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Originally Posted by xxMATTGxx
but why? if the feature is their for constructive posts then surely things such as events, vip and other things should be removed as it's CHEATING. I'm totally against the whole 'YOU GIVE POINTLESS REP TO PPL COS ITS NOT FAIR' maybe those ppl should stop being *****, run along and make some friends, then maybe someone might rep them.
Well it might be cheating for some people but they have won that so technically it's somewhat earned.Quote:
Originally Posted by Richie
Ok what I don't appreciate is the fact that I had only commented in that thread twice and got two plus rep yet the people I plus repped didn't get theirs removed? Explanation please.
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Originally Posted by Samanfa
Can't answer that for you as I'm not the one who removed the rep but I would guess it could be due to time or some other reason who knows.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave.
In the past when you could buy vip and request rep, was that cheating?Quote:
Originally Posted by xxMATTGxx
Why are the rules allowed to be bent at Christmas? Don't get me wrong that thread was always good and got a good response. People have always said it's nice to receive a bit of rep but I don't see why users such as staff should have to stay at a rep power of 4 or 5, from an outside view it just looks like they haven't contributed much which isn't always the case. Rep was easier to earn in the past so those with high rep will stay at high rep and those at lower rep will struggle to go up a power. I'm not obsessed with rep I just want to point out how unfair it's to those users with lower rep because those people are usually friends with others who are also low rep so they'll find it hard to 'achieve' another power.
I just find it hard to understand why you would remove something so positive 'aww x person just rep'd me' if anything a few pointless reps would make people like each other a little more. Stop listening to people who have their head stuck between their arse cheeks. Rules can change whenever. They don't have to stay the same because one user says so.
Would it be acceptable if everyone posted a fact, and then the person +reps the person above for giving them information they didn't know? ;)
I've always found removing pointless +rep is a bit unfair because I could go through a thread repping a load of people, but you wouldn't know unless you're monitoring my account? How do you prevent everyone giving it out?
Well it was part of buying VIP and therefore a feature so it wasn't cheating. Cheating is when someone does something unfairly to gain an advantage. The reason why we allowed it at Christmas because it's Christmas and therefore it was a nice thing to do for the users. Which also means we aren't always "negative" all the time. New users may find it hard yes but what is the chance of them coming across the spam thread without it being shoved in their face? Not highly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Richie
oh yes and while we're on the subject of rep i think the "trial period" that you mentioned for the system that allows staff to get rep each week if they reach a certain number of posts has been going on long enough so should now be extended to normal members to make things fairer :)
@xxMATTGxx;
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Originally Posted by xxMATTGxx
If it is a nice thing to do for users why not have it all the time? This contradicts the second part highlighted, what's the chances of a noob clicking on a spam thread?
The promote positive rep I say add some new feature where people receive some sort of achievement for reppin a certain amount of people, you are limited to a certain few a day anyway so it wouldn't exactly be unfair and if people want to cheat so be it, jokes on them for loving rep that much but you know as well as I do a lot of people with high rep power today have gained it pointlessly.
The thread I created was within the rules anyway '+REP THE PERSON ABOVE YOU WITH A VALUABLE REASON' if people didn't give valuable reasons, remove their rep.
Unfortunately the normal members of HabboxForum don't like posting competitions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyle
The chances of a new user clicking that spam thread is very low, the replies to that thread show that as most of them were users who have been the forum for a good few years. Anyway, in terms of changing the rule and allowing it all the time I will wait to see what @brandon; says.Quote:
Originally Posted by Richie
you seem to be generalising the thoughts of a small group of users to the rest of the forum population. don't think of it as a competition, just as a reward for the hard work of making x number of posts on the forum, keeping the community alive :) do non staff not deserve rewards?Quote:
Originally Posted by xxMATTGxx
Yes they do but we all know what happened to the previous posting competition which was somewhat different to the previous one before that. The system is to encourage staff to post around the community which some of you said they should be part of, it has worked reasonable well so far. We did try to encourage you a few months back with the following prizes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyle
Which worked in a way but then users didn't like the fact that everyone spammed the forum and certain threads because of it.Quote:
75 - 150 Posts: 50 reputation points.
151 - 200 Posts: 1 week Donator of your choice,
201 - 250 Posts: 1 week VIP of your choice.
251 - 300 Posts: 2 weeks VIP of your choice + 25 reputation points.
300 - 350 Posts: 3 weeks VIP of your choice + 25 reputation points.
350 - 450 Posts: 1 Months VIP of your choice + 50 reputation points.
450+ Posts: 2 Months VIP of your choice.
Ah, so this was your evil plot. You didn't leave a comment on my rep and it was removed.... THANKS RICHIE. Just checked mine and the two I left for Richie and hah remain intact, boooo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Richie
I do think a thread like Richie's has a place on the forum. Reputation, taken in the literal sense, aims to paint a picture of someone's overall respectability on the forum. I don't think there can be such thing as a "pointless" rep because the rep-giver obviously "respects" / likes the receiver and therefore they deserve it in that sense.
so you need to offer staff rep in order for them to post on the forum?
that's stupid fire them if they're not going to post :S shouldn't need to give them an incentive to take part in the community they wish to be a part of...
@xxMATTGxx;
The posting competitions in the past haven't been ongoing like this initiative. After a few days posting generally dies down and only a few users continue. If you offer it every single week then it allows everybody to get involved as and when they please. They wouldn't necessarily post aiming to receive the rep, it would just act as a nice reward for their contribution at the end of the week.
stick to rep though, no free vip/donator because people just go wild for it and will definitely post stupid threads.
Like you said, it's proven to work well for staff, what's the harm in trialing it on the norms? ;)
also if you're removing pointless +reps
scrap rep from competitions, events, and so on as it's unfairly gained and they're pointless.
Unfortunately some staff members don't realise that it's not part of their job to post around the forum to be part of the community. As they believe their role here at Habbox should be talking to people on the Habbo community on the client itself. I've had many arguments with said members. I do some what agree with you and a lot of them didn't realise they did get reputation for posting over so many posts each week but still managed to pass that criteria which is good news all round.Quote:
Originally Posted by scottish
I would be more than happy to remove anyone who isn't willing to post on the forum but where you draw the line on that - Should they all meet so many posts a month if they don't have a good reason not to? Department Managers will probably dislike it.. maybe.
Actually, the last posting competition was one that was going to happen over and over again but we stopped due to the feedback we got from it. We could just keep it to reputation points like the staff one I suppose. Although It would be best not to have the same events as last time as Habbox doesn't like many pointless threads / posts being made within a certain time period.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyle
@xxMATTGxx; it was probs cos u offered vip, I agree with kyle I don't think people are going to go post crazy for 50 rep
Yeah, there should be so many posts they have to do on public forums per month and failing that it'd be noted in their report that they failed to meet the activity required (i.e. the 5 hour rule in hxhd) then 3 consecutive weeks of it = fired, or any sequence (i.e. meets it 1 week skips 2 meets it next etc to attempt to avoid consequences/detection)
staff dont sign up to become staff on the forum so i dont see why they should be made to post, but i think if you're offering them an incentive then it should be offered to all.
I say
- Let people give +rep as they please
- Give the posting competition feature that staff have to everyone
- Keep monitoring negative rep
- Continue to give rep out in events and other competitions
Once you start dismissing people for not posting then it creates an extremely negative atmosphere as people are constantly running the risk of losing their jobs. People should be encouraged to post and interact with the community through positive reinforcement, not negative. Users are always claiming that staff are treated differently (receiving rep for posting) and it's seen as a bad thing. Why not apply that logic to this situation, because it's only seen as a problem when it appears to benefit them? :P
If the new feature is working then I don't see how introducing the feature to all users would suddenly make staff stop posting :P I disagree with warning people for not posting around the forums, it's like remelkiid or grig telling me I must attend events or I'd be fired, they'd be told to stuff it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mathew
I definitely don't think staff should be fired for not reaching a post count, I think thats a bit too far. You may as well issue normal members with a ban if they don't reach it too in that case. :P I don't get this whole division between normal members and staff in terms of posting- If people want to post they should do it because they are genuinely interested in doing so. Otherwise you just get a load of crap posts with crap quality churned out because people are trying to hit a number rather than actually creating and taking part in interesting and worthwhile discussion. I think that a longterm posting incentive (not competition) overall would be good though. That being said, posting around the forum seems to have improved a little bit lately, without so much blatant spammy type posts around, I have seen lots more genuine discussions. Staff should realise that they are part of a community and make attempts to interact with that community in all aspects (not just on Habbo), but I know for a fact some staff (such as certain DJ's, EO's and other Habbo based roles) see it as just a job that they do to help that area of Habbox, and posting doesnt really come into that. Incentives are good, but competitions designed for posting are bad in my eyes and looks quite desperate when im sure there are other ways to promote discussion and the general activity of the forum.
In terms of the rep issue, I dont personally see how positive rep can be pointless. There seems to be more and more ways to get positive rep now, be it competitions, VIP, people etc, and unless someone is blatantly giving a user reputation every time the system allows them with not even a comment as to why then I guess that would be a bit odd, but its generally a case that the member likes something the other member has said done. I know people often +reo everyone who has thanked them in a congrats thread too and I guess that follows the same principal. Negative rep can definitely be abused and I feel this is the one which needs to be kept as it is and monitored more often. The report rep thread seems to do a good job of this. Not too sure what peoples opinions are on the space between being able to +rep someone more than once but I guess this does help prevent the system being abused too. I just think there is a very wide margin between what people interpret as being pointless rep and could be seen very different in peoples eyes since the reason may not always be evident when someone is issuing the rep.
Ah, I was replying to Scott when he was saying that staff should be fired for not posting. Normal users aren't penalised for not posting, so staff shouldn't either - after all, we all strive for a bit of equality. Like Hippies. In Hawaii. Peace.Quote:
Originally Posted by Richie
It's not though as it'd be like a warning per one, and if they had a valid reason for not posting then they'd get let off, the number of posts doesn't need to be stupidly high even a low amount say 20 would show a lot more staff activity and general activity in forum would go up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mathew
They'd have like 3 weeks to post under the limit before being fired.
In terms of posting on the actual forum, June was one the best months we have had so far this year.
I remember telling one of my staff members who kept going on about it wasn't their job to post (they are in 2 community roles therefore I think it's important for them to post) that I wouldn't mind warning them, I remember saying staff will post because they want to not because they have to, I think if someone is so into disagreeing that they should post then they shouldn't really be staff (in said roles they are in) or at least they could join a content role? Their current roles can't do anything really due to the mute so I think they should easily be able to create 30 posts across the week. Now maybe warning them would be harsh but I think if it's a consistent thing (and if they have been active in the staff forums) then they should be warned or at least told. MattG said it was upto the managers if we wanted to warn them or not and I'm always in two minds about it (and haven't done it) as it's a new thing and staff need to settle into it. The main line is that if they don't do 30 posts they don't get 20 rep and again I agree with that (they don't get that incentive but shouldn't then get warned because of it).
I feel putting it to the whole forum would be good though.