'Clean' edits of certain songs.

I don't think it's called 'clean edits' but I can't think of the word lol. Basically, when certain lyrics are filtered on TV/Radio/Clean versions of videos online in a song. Is it just me who find the filter to be insanely strict sometimes?

"Drug dealer" and "Coke", both references to drugs, are filtered on Tv/Radio (Drug dealer is from 'Rockstar - Nickelback and Coke is from 'Superbass' - Nicki Minaj). I understand people don't want children growing up doing drugs, but hearing the word is hardly going to cause them to go try it... if the lyrics were promoting drugs and persuading people to buy them, then sure filter it. But the lines they're from^ don't seem like that.

"Gun" is filtered in 'Teenage Dirtbag - Wheatus' online. Why... I genuinely don't see why.

I think it was @doughnutty; said "Wrists" is filtered in an eminem song? Maybe her/Maybe that song not entirely sure.

I just think some of the words filtered are ridiculous. I can understand profanity and maybe sexually explicit words (e.g. "Chains and Whips" are filtered from S & M on TV, and they're only allowed to play a short sample on TV I believe anyway) but 'Gun' and 'Drug Dealer' and 'Wrists'...?

Yeah it was filtered. In 'When I'm Gone' the lyric says: Help mama, your wrists are bleeding, and 'wrists' was bleeped out. You can understand it's cos of the self-harm allusions but still...

thats why you search for uncensored songs

Probably cos there's a time and a place for 5 year olds to learn about what drug dealers and cocaine are. Saves parents having their young children ask them what those things are, and having them walking around the house singing about guns etc. I don't think it's particularly about the fear of them all running out doing drugs and shooting each other, but more about keeping their minds innocent of such things, just like why profanity and sexual lyrics are censored.

I don't particularly understand why you think it's okay for there to be drug references in music because you think it won't result in an influence yet you are opposed to sexually explicit lyrics?

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Originally Posted by Judas

Probably cos there's a time and a place for 5 year olds to learn about what drug dealers and cocaine are. Saves parents having their young children ask them what those things are, and having them walking around the house singing about guns etc. I don't think it's particularly about the fear of them all running out doing drugs and shooting each other, but more about keeping their minds innocent of such things, just like why profanity and sexual lyrics are censored.

I don't particularly understand why you think it's okay for there to be drug references in music because you think it won't result in an influence yet you are opposed to sexually explicit lyrics?

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Sorry for the late reply :(.

I suppose the whole drugs vs sexually explicit lyrics does make me seem like a bit of a hypocrite haha. I just personally believe that sexually explicit lyrics are more vulgar/crude than references to drugs in songs. Wouldn't you find it a lot more... "creepy" if you caught your child singing "Chains and whips excite me" as opposed to "he might sell coke" (I think that's the correct lyrics... she sings so fast for me to keep up in that song) but I guess it's just down to personal opinion?

I just can't conclude that hearing about drugs in songs would influence any child to go and discover a type of drug and thus try it aha. I understand where you're coming from about children's minds being innocent from profanity and sexual references, but most children I've been around/seen have started swearing at much younger ages now (not as young as 5 of course :L).

better off not having to explain to your kids what they mean, i remember when hollaback girl was released and i didn't know what it meant, but parents wouldn't tell me so i obv thought it was INCREDIBLY RUDE AND DIRTY (and because it was in a song where it repeats **** multiple times). looking back now though it's clear that they didn't know what it meant either so..

I once hear Lily Allen's ''**** you'' with the the little annoying noise instead of the swears.. it was ridiculous!

I think it's a mixture of wanting to protect people but then at the same time possibly being over protective. Basically political correctness, where people are trying to avoid anything that might be offensive even if its in humour, basically being scared of their own shadow. I remember in America they removed god dam from fall out boy's this aint a scene, it's a god dam arms race.

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I think it's a mixture of wanting to protect people but then at the same time possibly being over protective. Basically political correctness, where people are trying to avoid anything that might be offensive even if its in humour, basically being scared of their own shadow. I remember in America they removed god dam from fall out boy's this aint a scene, it's a god dam arms race.

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"God" is filtered in "I write sins not tragedies" by panic! At the disco also. But the 'damn' remains. I believe its because the official video is set in a church so it may be simplyrespect to religion :P

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Sorry for the late reply :(.

I suppose the whole drugs vs sexually explicit lyrics does make me seem like a bit of a hypocrite haha. I just personally believe that sexually explicit lyrics are more vulgar/crude than references to drugs in songs. Wouldn't you find it a lot more... "creepy" if you caught your child singing "Chains and whips excite me" as opposed to "he might sell coke" (I think that's the correct lyrics... she sings so fast for me to keep up in that song) but I guess it's just down to personal opinion?

I just can't conclude that hearing about drugs in songs would influence any child to go and discover a type of drug and thus try it aha. I understand where you're coming from about children's minds being innocent from profanity and sexual references, but most children I've been around/seen have started swearing at much younger ages now (not as young as 5 of course :L).

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So sex, a natural, legal and wonderful thing should not be exposed at all to young kids, but a big thumbs up to class-A drugs? I don't think either should be glorified like that but come on now.

I just can't see why you think it would be weird hearing a 5 year old singing about sex but totally cool for them to be selling about their love of hard drugs?

yeah I agree, I think chains and whips exite me and not a bad thing to be censored, i understand why it is though for concerned parents who do not want there kids to know about sex yet. but he going to sell coke, Even id be extrmely worried if i saw a kid walking around singing/saying that

They are called radio edits and I agree some of the words filtered don't necessarily need to be filtered but if they don't, they're breaking the law.

Radio Edits are usually for songs cut shorter for the radio, but also used for songs 'cleaned' up but often Clean Edit is used. In the UK, the filter is a little tougher than other places. I understand why its there for children and stuff.

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So sex, a natural, legal and wonderful thing should not be exposed at all to young kids, but a big thumbs up to class-A drugs? I don't think either should be glorified like that but come on now.

I just can't see why you think it would be weird hearing a 5 year old singing about sex but totally cool for them to be selling about their love of hard drugs?

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I didn't support it at all... I said " just personally believe that sexually explicit lyrics are more vulgar/crude than references to drugs in songs. " Not, "sex should be filtered in songs but yayay for drugs" :L.

I think both aren't a good thing to hear amongst children, but I just find a child describing sex to be the much bigger issue than a kid saying the name of a drug. I understand why others may think different, but I can't change my opinion on what I find worse than "something else".

And yes! Radio edit is the phrase I'm looking for.

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I didn't support it at all... I said " just personally believe that sexually explicit lyrics are more vulgar/crude than references to drugs in songs. " Not, "sex should be filtered in songs but yayay for drugs" :L.

I think both aren't a good thing to hear amongst children, but I just find a child describing sex to be the much bigger issue than a kid saying the name of a drug. I understand why others may think different, but I can't change my opinion on what I find worse than "something else".

And yes! Radio edit is the phrase I'm looking for.

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It isn't one or the other though, just cos you think one is the bigger issue doesn't mean the other is devalued. You've established that both are bad things for children to hear (which differs from your original post but whatever) so why don't you understand why drug references are banned on radio? It's like saying murder and robbery are both bad, but murder is worse so robbing people is okay lol

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It isn't one or the other though, just cos you think one is the bigger issue doesn't mean the other is devalued. You've established that both are bad things for children to hear (which differs from your original post but whatever) so why don't you understand why drug references are banned on radio? It's like saying murder and robbery are both bad, but murder is worse so robbing people is okay lol

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I don't understand why drug references are banned because I seriously cannot see the harm in a child saying something along the lines of "he might sell coke" or, I'm too tired to think of another example really. I believe that if the drug reference implies personal use - e.g. "Because I got high" (:rolleyes:) then some filtering is required, which I suppose would be the same for sexually explicit lyrics (then again, most sexually explicit lyrics do tend to be personal).

Also cannot gather, if a child supposedly has an innocent mind at such a young age, what is wrong with them saying "he might sell coke", for all they know it's a soft drink not a drug. Can understand why people around could be minorly disturbed by it, but they'd realise it's only song lyrics urgh.

idfk where im going with this, changed my mind numerous amounts of times which I'm going to OPENLY ADMIT to. i should sleep im so confused

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I don't understand why drug references are banned because I seriously cannot see the harm in a child saying something along the lines of "he might sell coke" or, I'm too tired to think of another example really. I believe that if the drug reference implies personal use - e.g. "Because I got high" (:rolleyes:) then some filtering is required, which I suppose would be the same for sexually explicit lyrics (then again, most sexually explicit lyrics do tend to be personal).

Also cannot gather, if a child supposedly has an innocent mind at such a young age, what is wrong with them saying "he might sell coke", for all they know it's a soft drink not a drug. Can understand why people around could be minorly disturbed by it, but they'd realise it's only song lyrics urgh.

idfk where im going with this, changed my mind numerous amounts of times which I'm going to OPENLY ADMIT to. i should sleep im so confused

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That's still not the point, they aren't gonna know all the sexual details either yet you think they should be banned. It would take too long for them to decide on the context of the songs so there are certain rules. Many parents just don't want their five year olds singing about drugs in any circumstances, so they are banned.. It isn't a difficult concept to work your mind around. Yes, it is stupid and unnecessary on some songs but like I said they can't go round making exceptions.