Rep thing

Hi,

Okay this rep thing is getting a bit silly, Who ever reports a -rep it just seems to get removed, no matter if i write until their is no space more to do, its absolutely pointless. Is any of the Senior Management (AGM's or FMs) going to actually tell me whats acceptable as a -rep, as no matter how many times i write why im giving the -rep it gets removed.
Ross

Moved by Lee (Forum Super Moderator): From 'Habbox Feedback' as this is a forum issue.

Thread moved back to 'Habbox Feedback' from 'Forum and Moderation' by Martin (Forum Manager) So discussion can take place on this issue.

Well according to the FAQ's, it's this:
When you do something bad you will most likely receive -Rep. You may receive a -Rep for the following reasons:

• Pointless Posting
• Being rude
• Breaking the forum rules

But you may want @Martin; to clarify things as by what your saying it seems that your rep is being removed wrongly.

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Originally Posted by runeaddict99

Well according to the FAQ's, it's this:
When you do something bad you will most likely receive -Rep. You may receive a -Rep for the following reasons:

• Pointless Posting
• Being rude
• Breaking the forum rules

But you may want @Martin; to clarify things as by what your saying it seems that your rep is being removed wrongly.

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All of them i keep to, i explain clearly why im -repping them, one thing i'd like to ask. If i have a arguement with someone on Habbo is it acceptable to -rep them for it?

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Originally Posted by GoldenMerc

All of them i keep to, i explain clearly why im -repping them, one thing i'd like to ask. If i have a arguement with someone on Habbo is it acceptable to -rep them for it?

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That really depends. I personally would say that it probably isn't the best idea as it may be appealed successfully, but as long as your not -repping out of revenge I don't see why there is a problem with it. So I would say you are able to -rep them for it, but:
a) This may result in them doing the same to you and;
b) Your -rep may be removed if the Admin team believe that it was not given fairly.
so be careful :)

You still might want to get @brandon; or @Martin;s take on this as this may be incorrect.

Hope this helps :)

Spoke to Brandon about this previously, maybe have to speak to Martin

Well really it shouldn't be removed if it occurred on Habbo, members +rep a cnb post/competitions etc on the forum, maybe because they like them? If you didn't like the event then you should rightly be entitled to -rep them.

I'm just going to come in to this thread and see what people think about this:

If people give -rep for stuff that hasn't happened on the forum and has happened on other services such as Habbo - How do we take judgement whether it is breaking the reputation rules? Or do you feel we should just leave them be...

From what I can tell it would seem that, because the argument is one-sided, every -rep reported gets removed. The idea of +/-repping a cnb post seems a little too far... I don't think it's fair to -rep someone's post based on something that has happened elsewhere just because you're a bit butthurt, you should deal with the issue on the service that it happened. It seems that some people like to use their big rep power on the forum as a weapon against people that may have annoyed them elsewhere and it really isn't very fair. It's forum reputation, not reputation everywhere else.

From what I can see, its always been a very hard thing to judge, and the people I've spoke to don't really have an answer at the moment either really which is the same position I am in.

We cannot monitor what happens in the outside world/on other services and so people having a personal issue with someone because of something else they have done doesn't need to be brought to the forum I think. It is really hard for us to know what happened, whether it is justified and whether people are telling the truth and that itself could lead to big arguments.

We are talking about 2 -reps in a couple of days based on an opinion of an events organisers event. I don't think reputation should be used as a punishment for mistakes (if there was any) a staff member makes whilst doing something voluntary for habbox, and this could have been resolved in much better ways than via the reputation system I think.


When it is based on posts its easy for us to work out if it is a genuine rep, however when it goes further and is based on someones opinion of someone it makes it harder to draw a line.


I am glad Matt has put this to the public and I think collectively we need to try and discuss what really is fair to use the reputation system for, or whether we should be relaxed on it and let people potentially use it for other means, that are not really forum based, and kinda using it against people.

I feel -rep's shouldn't be removed at all, considering its always an opinion and a opinion is always a valid opinion.

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Originally Posted by GoldenMerc

I feel -rep's shouldn't be removed at all, considering its always an opinion and a opinion is always a valid opinion.

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Not when the opinion stems from somewhere other than the user's posts on the forum though. Opinions are fine, using -rep as a way of attacking users because you dislike something they did in client really isn't.

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Originally Posted by GoldenMerc

I feel -rep's shouldn't be removed at all, considering its always an opinion and a opinion is always a valid opinion.

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But don't you also feel -rep comments with "lol" are also valid where I would disagree with that.

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Originally Posted by xxMATTGxx

But don't you also feel -rep comments with "lol" are also valid where I would disagree with that.

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Don't remember the last time i -repped someone saying "lol" other than Milarz.

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Originally Posted by xxMATTGxx

But don't you also feel -rep comments with "lol" are also valid where I would disagree with that.

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agreed with this.

Another one being when someone is clearly targetting someone with -reps because they have a bad opinion of them/have a problem with them.


I think some people take reputation a lot more serious than others and to some people, especially younger members it can be quite off putting and extremely negative to continuously punish someone via rep for a mistake which may/may not have occured in an event. That is a completely different issue altogether and should be taken up with events managers surely, rather than a user taking it into their own hands and basically saying they did a **** job on the forum.


Comments are often used to decide whether something is pointless and things like "lol" and "u smell" etc are the common things which give it away. It does make it hard to draw a line when the thing the rep is about has happened outside the forum, and I always thought the reputation system was for the forum, not for people to get back at people/get revenge for things which have happened elsewhere.


Will wait and see what some more people say, but I can see both sides of the argument really, and we need to find a balance in which the majority of members are comfortable with to ensure the system is fair and doesnt get abused.

Swear most people don't know what reputation means;

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rep·u·ta·tion

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noun 1. the estimation in which a person or thing is held, especially by the community or the public generally; repute: a man of good reputation.

2. favorable repute; good name: to ruin one's reputation by misconduct.

3. a favorable and publicly recognized name or standing for merit, achievement, reliability, etc.: to build up a reputation.

4. the estimation or name of being, having, having done, etc., something specified: He has the reputation of being a shrewd businessman.

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Means what someone's opinion is of them, so if i dislike Martin and i think oh he's a nasty person and his posts are hurtful, I -rep him, as thats my opinion of him, eventually if hes like that to everyone his REPUTATION will go down.

i would disable report rep forum for a week and see what effect it has

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Originally Posted by Dave.

i would disable report rep forum for a week and see what effect it has

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Wouldn't that just give people more chance to abuse the system? :P Genuine pointless reps are made but at the moment there isn't a very good way to differentiate what is and isn't pointless.

some ****** on here somehow gets all the genuine -reps I give him removed

whoever removes the rep needs to be fired and decapitated with a blunt axe

Think a lot of people need to have a good old read up on what "reputation" means and then realise that there's no such thing as invalid rep

Looks like there's no win to this because everyone will have a different view on the matter at the end of the day. Reputation was put into forums so you could rate peoples posts. Not because they have done something to you on skype, msn, twitter, facebook or Habbo. So giving users negative reputation for any of those is a bit of an odd move and surely should just keep it off the forum.

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Originally Posted by xxMATTGxx

Looks like there's no win to this because everyone will have a different view on the matter at the end of the day. Reputation was put into forums so you could rate peoples posts. Not because they have done something to you on skype, msn, twitter, facebook or Habbo. So giving users negative reputation for any of those is a bit of an odd move and surely should just keep it off the forum.

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But its an opinion...

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Originally Posted by GoldenMerc

But its an opinion...

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Yes but doesn't mean it's fair to give that person that opinion. I could -rep anyone saying:

"Haha you are ugly cow"

Is that ok to give? Surely that should be removed as it's very nice is it..

@xxMATTGxx; why not disable negative reputation in usergroups?

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Originally Posted by Dave.

@xxMATTGxx; why not disable negative reputation in usergroups?

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Can do but then people will probably have a moan about that.

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Originally Posted by xxMATTGxx

Yes but doesn't mean it's fair to give that person that opinion.

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Well that defeats the purpose of "Reputation"

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Originally Posted by Dave.

@xxMATTGxx; why not disable negative reputation in usergroups?

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ngl may aswel, but then may aswel disable +rep aswel and just let these carry on with posts + join date :/

Technically one could quite reasonably be enamoured or enraged by even the most innocent of looking posts if the presence of the user attached to it evokes such feelings, in which case it's still to do with the post :P

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Originally Posted by GoldenMerc

Well that defeats the purpose of "Reputation"

ngl may aswel, but then may aswel disable +rep aswel and just let these carry on with posts + join date :/

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So can I -rep anyone I see and call them an ugly dog, since that is my opinion.

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Originally Posted by xxMATTGxx

Can do but then people will probably have a moan about that.

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the people who complain are obviously the ones abusing the system?

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Originally Posted by xxMATTGxx

So can I -rep anyone I see and call them an ugly dog, since that is my opinion.

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Well yes

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Originally Posted by FlyingJesus

Well yes

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But that's not a very nice thing to do now is it?

What are you Martin :P

Am kidding, but no it wouldn't be nice, doesn't mean it's not valid

Yeh its mean Matt, but its an opinion, depending who you say it to its also true...

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Originally Posted by FlyingJesus

What are you Martin :P

Am kidding, but no it wouldn't be nice, doesn't mean it's not valid

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Originally Posted by GoldenMerc

Yeh its mean Matt, but its an opinion, depending who you say it to its also true...

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But if reputation is never invalid - Means we shouldn't delete them, if that is what you are saying? Or are you saying we should never delete reputation unless it breaks any of the other forum rules. (Such as bullying)

Never delete it unless its bullying, personally.

Oh I absolutely agree that actually rulebreaking within rep should still be dealt with, and realistically your example would fall under that as I think most people would class calling someone an ugly dog as bullying, but -rep (or +rep for that matter) that doesn't have an accompanying comment hurling abuse is nothing more than someone expressing their opinion on a person/their post, which of course affects ones reputation.

If anyone reading this goes outside ever can you please confirm that this is how the real world works too? I imagine it is but obv life=Habbo for me so I can't know for sure

May I ask who actually has the job of removing rep at the moment?

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Originally Posted by Stephen!

May I ask who actually has the job of removing rep at the moment?

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isnt it brandon and martin?

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Originally Posted by xxMATTGxx

Looks like there's no win to this because everyone will have a different view on the matter at the end of the day. Reputation was put into forums so you could rate peoples posts. Not because they have done something to you on skype, msn, twitter, facebook or Habbo. So giving users negative reputation for any of those is a bit of an odd move and surely should just keep it off the forum.

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That I couldn't agree more with!

The idea that the definition of the word reputation and the vBulletin feature reputation are exactly the same thing is fundamentally flawed. Reputation is a name given to a feature implemented by vBulletin and used on the Habbox Forums. It seems the policy of the Habbox management team (and one I agree with and that has been in place for a while) is that reputation is a system to provide feedback on a user's forum posts, not their activities outside of said forums.

That said, if the user is an ass in the forums, a negative reputation saying that "This was rude" or "Your post is ignorant and poorly reasoned." or "This post sure didn't make the situation any better." or even "This alt is awful, you literally took the line tool in paint and drew a dog" are valid -reps, though not the nicest, -rep usually isn't. "Lol", "You suck", "I don't like you" are not valid -rep because they're not comments on forum posts. "This post was very rude and arrogant, I don't like you" is obviously a valid -rep.

Though certain people cough like to try and game this by writing a very valid reputation statement to a post that clearly has nothing to do with the rep comment. Those I used to also remove because it was clear that there was something else going on, and -rep was often used as a bullying tool. Basically, in my opinion, if it's a legitimate opinion on the post itself, regardless of whether the repper is "right", it's valid.

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Originally Posted by nvrspk4

The idea that the definition of the word reputation and the vBulletin feature reputation are exactly the same thing is fundamentally flawed. Reputation is a name given to a feature implemented by vBulletin and used on the Habbox Forums. It seems the policy of the Habbox management team (and one I agree with and that has been in place for a while) is that reputation is a system to provide feedback on a user's forum posts, not their activities outside of said forums.

That said, if the user is an ass in the forums, a negative reputation saying that "This was rude" or "Your post is ignorant and poorly reasoned." or "This post sure didn't make the situation any better." or even "This alt is awful, you literally took the line tool in paint and drew a dog" are valid -reps, though not the nicest, -rep usually isn't. "Lol", "You suck", "I don't like you" are not valid -rep because they're not comments on forum posts. "This post was very rude and arrogant, I don't like you" is obviously a valid -rep.

Though certain people cough like to try and game this by writing a very valid reputation statement to a post that clearly has nothing to do with the rep comment. Those I used to also remove because it was clear that there was something else going on, and -rep was often used as a bullying tool. Basically, in my opinion, if it's a legitimate opinion on the post itself, regardless of whether the repper is "right", it's valid.

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Oh forum posts so not competition prizes ok.

I don't think it all gets removed I've -repped a few people and it hasn't been removed, that's if they've reported it.