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Why is there a new forum that has been created (under which post counts do not increase) for short reply threads? I recall the forum having a vote in the feedback section, and the majority were clearly against this type of meddling around with what people can or cannot post.

If the vote is just going to be ignored (and I don't even think much of a vote on it, as far as i'm concerned it's none of my business how other people post) then why bother asking in the first place? rather similar to how the EU works.

A vote should be taken into consideration but management will always use discretion over the matter.

because @scott; cried lol
you can tell the forum will dry up and be merged with spam eventually. it wont work, it worked perfectly fine just the way it was. i dont see why they just didnt move that stupid picture thread.

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Originally Posted by Chippiewill

A vote should be taken into consideration but management will always use discretion over the matter.

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From what I remember, wasn't Chris against this proposal and sided with the majority? or is it the case (as I suspect) that a number of forum users who lost the vote have contacted management and hounded them into implementing this as a 'trial'? I do wonder.

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Originally Posted by Comity

because @scott; cried lol

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pretty much this, there was a huge thread over the post a random picture thread and then scott kicked up a fuss so they made a sub forum and moved all threads there rather than just putting the picture thread in spam

I didn't exactly like the idea to start with but once we found a way of making it fair to everyone then it wasn't such a big issue. So far it hasn't caused any problems so all is good!

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

From what I remember, wasn't Chris against this proposal.

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He didn't really have an opinion (Or at least express one) iirc. And just went with the vote, at some point later he either achieved an opinion or I think Matt implemented the forum. Can't quite remember.

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Originally Posted by Chris

I didn't exactly like the idea to start with but once we found a way of making it fair to everyone then it wasn't such a big issue. So far it hasn't caused any problems so all is good!

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except the forum has a total of nine threads..... there is only so many of these threads that can be made, its not like every other section where it has a specific topic and there will always be something to post... (obviously not in the case of jokes since even that dried up and got merged). Was that even considered that people will stop posting eventually lol..... i liked them threads cause it was a good way for new users to get their post count up

No one will like whatever decision management do in regards of this. So people who aren't a fan will most likely have to deal with the fact that there is a sub-forum for these threads with post count turned off. Now if this forum wasn't HabboxForum and had a different userbase then these threads probably would have stayed where they are as it is the only forum who I've come across that care so much about them.

That is my rant over and I apologise if this annoys anyone.

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Originally Posted by xxMATTGxx

No one will like whatever decision management do in regards of this. So people who aren't a fan will most likely have to deal with the fact that there is a sub-forum for these threads with post count turned off. Now if this forum wasn't "HabboxForum" and had a different userbase then these threads probably would have stated where they are as it is the only forum who I've come across that care so much about them.

That is my rant over and I apologise if this annoys anyone.

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In which case, why was a vote held and why did management not simply say that the results would be ignored if they went the 'wrong way'?

It would have saved a great deal of trouble, time and effort if it was made clear that the results would simply be ignored.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

In which case, why was a vote held and why did management not simply say that the results would be ignored if they went the 'wrong way'?

It would have saved a great deal of trouble, time and effort if it was made clear that the results would simply be ignored.

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Because it was said again and again that people who voted no only did so because they cared about losing their post count.

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Originally Posted by xxMATTGxx

Because it was said again and again that people who voted no only did so because they cared about losing their post count.

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Whatever the reason, they still opted against it lol

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Originally Posted by xxMATTGxx

Because it was said again and again that people who voted no only did so because they care about losing their post count.

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It could easily be argued that people voting yes cared about losing their post count rankings to others. (older users slipping behind)

That is such a silly statement and this has been so badly handled, to hold a vote and then simply turn around and say "well you may think that, but your reasons for voting are invalid so we're just going to ignore the results and go ahead with it anyway."

It is the pretence that our opinions mattered in the first place which irritates me, why not simply be honest from the outset?

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Originally Posted by The Don

Whatever the reason, they still opted against it lol

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

It could easily be argued that people voting yes cared about losing their post count rankings to others. (older users slipping behind)

That is such a silly statement and this has been so badly handled, to hold a vote and then simply turn around and say "well you may think that, but your reasons for voting are invalid so we're just going to ignore the results and go ahead with it anyway."

It is the pretence that our opinions mattered in the first place which irritates me, why not simply be honest from the outset?

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If you get all the current active users to say they want it back to where it was with these threads being allowed with post count then we will change it. We haven't told any lies at all and we are always honest, we are only going off what you (the users) have complained about in feedback.

i was wondering why they made that forum, simply because surely that's what spam is also for. But heyho, they could do something worse :)

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Originally Posted by xxMATTGxx

If you get all the current active users to say they want it back to where it was with these threads being allowed with post count then we will change it.

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didn't they do that when they voted in the first place? the only one which was truly spam was the post a random picture thread because there can be absolutely no discussion in it

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Originally Posted by The Don

didn't they do that when they voted in the first place?

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The poll was crap. Had crap options and most people only voted for yes or no (forgot which one) because they thought we would be getting rid of any posts they have made in those threads.

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Surprisingly nearly all of the threads in that section are still being posted in with post count turned off!

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Originally Posted by The Don

didn't they do that when they voted in the first place? the only one which was truly spam was the post a random picture thread because there can be absolutely no discussion in it

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While that was the case in the recent thread about them which got the sub-forum created, it then turned into talking about all of the others.

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Originally Posted by xxMATTGxx

The poll was crap. Had crap options and most people only voted for yes or no (forgot which one) because they thought we would be getting rid of any posts they have made in those threads.

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Surprisingly nearly all of the threads in that section are still being posted in with post count turned off!

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I missed the thread where everyone said that was the only reason they voted against it because that wasn't why I voted no :S

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Originally Posted by xxMATTGxx

If you get all the current active users to say they want it back to where it was with these threads being allowed with post count then we will change it. We haven't told any lies at all and we are always honest, we are only going off what you (the users) have complained about in feedback.

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We already had a vote where the majority of active forum users rejected the change and it has now been ignored.

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Originally Posted by xxMATTGxx

The poll was crap. Had crap options and most people only voted for yes or no (forgot which one) because they thought we would be getting rid of any posts they have made in those threads.

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And how have you established this? have you asked or polled every individual forum user who voted in that poll? or is this a weak assumption?

And indeed, since when did a poll involve deciding for other people valid reasons for voting either way?

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Originally Posted by The Don

I missed the thread where everyone said that was the only reason they voted against it because that wasn't why I voted no :S

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@FlyingJesus; (sorry if it wasn't you) pointed out that the majority of users had a very high post count in those threads which could hint towards them only voting for that option to keep their post count.

My honest opinion about it all: I don't care if they have post count or not, Forum Management only changed it because of the users.

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Originally Posted by xxMATTGxx

@FlyingJesus; (sorry if it wasn't you) pointed out that the majority of users had a very high post count in those threads which could hint towards them only voting for that option to keep their post count.

My honest opinion about it all: I don't care if they have post count or not, Forum Management only changed it because of the users.

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AKA the only vocal ones (tom, scott etc) ignoring the silent majority

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Originally Posted by The Don

AKA the only vocal ones (tom, scott etc) ignoring the silent majority

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There is no reason to be silent.

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Originally Posted by xxMATTGxx

@FlyingJesus; (sorry if it wasn't you) pointed out that the majority of users had a very high post count in those threads which could hint towards them only voting for that option to keep their post count.

My honest opinion about it all: I don't care if they have post count or not, Forum Management only changed it because of the users.

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Only changed it because scott through his toys out of the pram**

i didn't see anyone else in that thread disagree apart from him, he even went as far to ruin the other threads to make a point and make sure they were moved also...

I will also like to add on that it's taken two weeks for a thread to be mentioned about this. Do people really care that much? I know Gomme spoke to me about it on my profile and then started discussion how the userbase doesn't take such threads well compared to others.

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Originally Posted by xxMATTGxx

@FlyingJesus; (sorry if it wasn't you) pointed out that the majority of users had a very high post count in those threads which could hint towards them only voting for that option to keep their post count.

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I have a high post count as did GommeInc (who I think backed our side) and others, yet we can hardly be accused of wanting to higher our post counts because we don't post that often and when we do, our posts often contain substance in them.

I rejected the proposals because I think people ought to be free to post in which manner they see fit - and if I am overtaken in the post count rankings then so what? assumptions that I and others are wanting to protect or increase my post count are just that, cheap assumptions.

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Originally Posted by xxMATTGxx

My honest opinion about it all: I don't care if they have post count or not, Forum Management only changed it because of the users.

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The majority of users rejected the proposal.

Why is everything on this forum made into a big deal? Members haven't lost any post count from the previous threads but will no longer gain anymore. This has made it fair on those who wanted to keep their posts but has also made it fair on those who believe they were abusing the threads for that reason.

I decided to trial it and so far so good.

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Originally Posted by xxMATTGxx

There is no reason to be silent.

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most people don't care enough to argue about it but the fact that more people voted no obviously means that's what majority of people wanted

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Originally Posted by Comity

Only changed it because scott through his toys out of the pram**

i didn't see anyone else in that thread disagree apart from him, he even went as far to ruin the other threads to make a point and make sure they were moved also...

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Scott brought up the argument other threads are the same as the images one. Then If I remember correctly the users who actually posted that thread also said they don't like the other threads either.

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Originally Posted by The Don

most people don't care enough to argue about it but the fact that more people voted no obviously means that's what majority of people wanted

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Then that means it isn't a problem surely? :P

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

I have a high post count as did GommeInc (who I think backed our side) and others, yet we can hardly be accused of wanting to higher our post counts because we don't post that often and when we do, our posts often contain substance in them.

I rejected the proposals because I think people ought to be free to post in which manner they see fit - and if I am overtaken in the post count rankings then so what?



The majority of users rejected the proposal.

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A high post count in the threads that are in that sub-forum? Not a a high post count in general.

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Originally Posted by Chris

Why is everything on this forum made into a big deal? Members haven't lost any post count from the previous threads but will no longer gain anymore. This has made it fair on those who wanted to keep their posts but has also made it fair on those who believe they were abusing the threads for that reason.

I decided to trial it and so far so good.

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Because a poll was held, the majority rejected the proposal and it was ignored.

I find the fact the poll has been completely ignored much more irritating than the proposal itself.

The final decision lies with us. We wont be running anymore polls for feedback if it's going to cause issues like this because it seems that someone is always going to moan regardless.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

Because a poll was held, the majority rejected the proposal and it was ignored.

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It was not ignored, it was taken under consideration. It was hardly a landslide either way.

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Originally Posted by Chris

The final decision lies with us. We wont be running anymore polls for feedback if it's going to cause issues like this because it seems that someone is always going to moan regardless.

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Oh well that's better, at least admitting that it doesn't particulary matter what the majority think is better than pretending to and then ignoring it.

And i'm genuinely not being sarcastic in that remark because it would save all this hassle - but it is rather sad to see echoes of ---MAD---esque policy returning (more forum rules being created, user polls created but then being ignored when the vote goes the 'wrong way').

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Originally Posted by xxMATTGxx

@FlyingJesus; (sorry if it wasn't you) pointed out that the majority of users had a very high post count in those threads which could hint towards them only voting for that option to keep their post count.

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Yeah that was me, massive amount of the people who voted against the change had over 100 posts in those threads as well as giving no actual reason for their vote other than the occasional OMF WHY DO YOU CARE SO MUCH?!?!? which is not an argument at all

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

I have a high post count as did GommeInc (who I think backed our side) and others, yet we can hardly be accused of wanting to higher our post counts because we don't post that often and when we do, our posts often contain substance in them.

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You can't state that changes should be made due to majority votes and then fall back on minority statistics to back up your view. The point wasn't that people saying no had high post counts, it was that they had a large number of posts in those threads, and the majority of those saying no were part of that reasoning

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

I rejected the proposals because I think people ought to be free to post in which manner they see fit

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And they are, just in the proper place

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Originally Posted by The Don

most people don't care enough to argue about it but the fact that more people voted no obviously means that's what majority of people wanted

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Actual logic and reasoning is a far better way to make decisions than simple majority votes, especially when people aren't even willing (or able) to back up their views. That aside, Habbox has never been a democracy

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Originally Posted by Chris

The final decision lies with us. We wont be running anymore polls for feedback if it's going to cause issues like this because it seems that someone is always going to moan regardless.

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ALL HEIL CHRIS

http://www.history.ucsb.edu/faculty/...Hecksalute.jpg

it would make more sense to admit you made a poor decision and change it rather than just sound ignorant

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

Oh well that's better, at least admitting that it doesn't particulary matter what the majority think is better than pretending to and then ignoring it.

And i'm genuinely not being sarcastic in that remark because it would save all this hassle - but it is rather sad to see echoes of ---MAD---esque policy returning (more forum rules being created, user polls created but then being ignored when the vote goes the 'wrong way').

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No new forum rules have been created. Polls aren't here to make a decision, it's been made clear plenty of times that we make the final decision.

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Originally Posted by The Don

ALL HEIL CHRIS

http://www.history.ucsb.edu/faculty/...Hecksalute.jpg

it would make more sense to admit you made a poor decision and change it rather than just sound ignorant

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Thats your opinion, at the end of the day we aren't going to please everyone regardless of how hard we try.

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Originally Posted by The Don

ALL HEIL CHRIS

http://www.history.ucsb.edu/faculty/...Hecksalute.jpg

it would make more sense to admit you made a poor decision and change it rather than just sound ignorant

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omg lmao!!! but yeah chris seems like a very ignorant person, he obviously wont admit he is wrong lol......

If anyone believes this has turned into a whole ---MAD-- situation then you are most likely high on drugs. HabboxForum is not strict, we aren't ignoring users or banning people for the sake of it. We are less strict now than we were a good few years ago.

While the poll could have been improved which I'll apologise for but we never do say that polls do make the final decision of anything here at Habbox. It wasn't fully ignored.

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Originally Posted by Comity

omg lmao!!! but yeah chris seems like a very ignorant person, he obviously wont admit he is wrong lol......

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Like I said thats your opinion and you're welcome to it but I stick by what we changed.

Personally I don't have an issue with it (surprise, surprise) since the majority of users got the fair deal from it - nobody lost post count,, but nobody will gain post count in the future.

Habbox have two options with post count really, either let it have a meaning by disabling it in areas where pointless posts are high, or just enabling it across the whole forum - I don't mind either option, either let post count mean something or nothing, not somewhere in between.

When the forum poll was held, I protested on the forum that it was silly that whatever the forum poll said had to hold and I'm glad that forum management saw the flaw in that.

The new sub forum isn't really an issue, people still post in the threads - all is good.

For the love of god -this forum is not, has never been, and should not be run by majority opinion.

The management sought the input of their users, saw that the vote was fairly close but also was swayed by the arguments raised by users in the thread itself.

Not only that, they found a *gasp* compromise. The majority got something they really wanted, the minority (and I say minority with hesitance because from what I remember it was close) also got something they wanted. This came from listening to the feedback of the users in the thread.

Management makes the decisions, I am happy that they sought feedback and arguments from the members.

PS: It was a long time ago so maybe the memory is fuzzy but in the "MAD-esque" era the results were actually hidden from the users.