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There are so many things wrong with habbox and in every department, it would give me a headache writing about all of the issues. Forum decline is the main issue, the way departments are being ran is another. We have an AGM here who is frequently inactive, why hasn't he been removed? Nothing is being done to try and bring in new members here... The moderation department is sloppy, sending out incorrect pm's and following rules literally without using common sense. I've had an encounter here today which reminded me of the ---MAD--- era, in fact, at least during that era there was an active presence amongst general management, something which can't be said for the current one. There are loads of outdated pages on the habbox website which aren't being updated as "there's no point" since a new versions coming out soon (where have I heard that before?) Hxl is pretty much dead and do people even use habbox wiki? There are so many problems with habbox and I don't see management (which looks like a one man team tbh) coming up with any solutions.

I know I use HabboxWiki but as I can see not many others do besides the staff. HxL has just got it's manager back so needs time to sort it self out! Some admin could be a LOT more active and I 100% with the moderation team! They are slow.. and give out inappropriate warnings!

The only thing I disagree with is the HxL thing.. with Jade and Gina it should get much better!

there shouldn't be an S in "graphics designer/manager"

thought i'd throw that in

Not sure why this thread was moved somewhere then moved back, (Chris did move it back) AGM, more like AGM's none post on the forum, There is one rule for some, one rule for others, Some users consistently break the rules (& know their limits to stop at, so they will troll up to that amount) which i find is totally unfair.

I believe v7 is being coded by @Intricat; now as Recursion doesn't have time now, so to be fair, I will now bet this v7 will be released soon :)./
HxL is completely dead, Although Richies thread sums it up ;)
I like HabboxWiki, not sure why, I've only just got into it since ChippieJin started being manager, Like the updates he has done (Although i get disappointed using random page as it always takes me to pages being made (Must be some sort of way to disable them coming up in random page)?

I believe HxL could return, with a wealth, Heck you'd get me coming back to using it if Spotify wasn't around, or you could have a 3 hour show of old school HxL, funny DJ's, people who have emotions, people who enjoy DJing as DJing is fun, not as oh im staff on Habbox.

I mean Jade (HxL Manager) pretty much proved dedication (15h a day DJing) can / could get you to HxL manager in 2 months, not complaining considering shes a good DJ, she donated a lot to Habbox (Although i disagree with her doing that) she done well.

To be fair Habbox needs a kick up the ass, Im sure Jin will do it once he has some time, That is if he ever has time to return.
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HabboxWiki does seem like a wasteful project. Last I saw of it there was no need, no demand for a Wiki as people who gave up Habbo who would be the main demographic interested in the past of Habbo would have left Habbo behind entirely.

As for the Forum, they seem to have double standards. They make changes on a whim with no logical, reasonable debate yet when a real debate occurs they don't want to revert the changes, and then act a bit frustrated that a real debate has happened and not want to change using the "why change something that isn't broken" quote not realising the irony in what they are saying. It's odd as they believe in being professional yet makes changes against the majority of the forum, then when they have reasons read out to them why the reason for the change was silly they completely ignore it, claiming " we aren't making any changes". It's completely unprofessional.

And don't get me started on the lack of communication lately, where a certain someone won't admit he's out of the loop yet will claim he is like he's receiving the same political training as some party leaders.

There hasn't been three active AGM at habbox since like 2007 i don't think lol, theres always one who just does the work loads and thats it, doesn't interact, doesnt post, doesnt come on Habbo. It's either been Mr.Osh, Bomb-Head or someone else. Now its Myke lol

I can't comment on the present management (they seem an alright bunch to me) but I will just say that it has always been, generally, the case that the Habbox hierarchy is based on who is 'in' and who isn't, and ultimately that leads to people who aren't the best for the job getting management positions over those who know their stuff better.

Just as it has always been the case (in my two stints at least) that department managers don't have nearly enough freedom from central management. Indeed if you ask me, department managers should be the main focus or driving force of this website and the position of General Manager (and all the rest) should merely be there as a co-ordinating or emergency role, rather like the Queen is to the Prime Minister.

Decentralise it, radically and get things moving.

I was contemplating posting a similar thread regarding AGM's posting on the forum. Seriously why is @xxMATTGxx; not enforcing that they post 40+ a week. If a forum moderator is required to post 40 then AGM should be required to triple that - they are running Habbox and if dont use it why should anybody else - I'd love to see this tackled.

There's 3 staff who normally work on the actual site and one (Assistant) Manager who is site orientated (me and Will being the exceptions for that) but recently a lot of Habbox.com things are being updated due to the want for it. HabboxWiki I think is needed and it even comes up on Google when I search for things, there's also a little addition at the bottom saying how many times a page has been accessed, regardless of it being random page or not it shows how many use the Wiki.

Last I checked there were 12 active Wiki users, about half were the staff I believe but others such as @,AAiden; and @runeaddict99 etc. do use it, likewise with other staff members.

The General Manager isn't usually away, it's only really been this month when members have started to notice more as it seemed reason after reason cropped up (good and bad), a lot of staff are away at the moment too which could be why there doesn't seem to be a lot getting done.

bring back danube

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I can't comment on the present management (they seem an alright bunch to me) but I will just say that it has always been, generally, the case that the Habbox hierarchy is based on who is 'in' and who isn't, and ultimately that leads to people who aren't the best for the job getting management positions over those who know their stuff better.

Just as it has always been the case (in my two stints at least) that department managers don't have nearly enough freedom from central management. Indeed if you ask me, department managers should be the main focus or driving force of this website and the position of General Manager (and all the rest) should merely be there as a co-ordinating or emergency role, rather like the Queen is to the Prime Minister.

Decentralise it, radically and get things moving.

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This has changed since you were a manager Dan, I think it started to change when I was Assistant Rare Values Manager the first time - we had to PM General Management when sending out the PM reports, warnings, staff changes, anything. Now we only tend to do it if we're warning someone (in some cases) and if it includes them i.e. name changes. A lot more freedom was given though.

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6t ~ mind did get it back 9 months later

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This has changed since you were a manager Dan, I think it started to change when I was Assistant Rare Values Manager the first time - we had to PM General Management when sending out the PM reports, warnings, staff changes, anything. Now we only tend to do it if we're warning someone (in some cases) and if it includes them i.e. name changes. A lot more freedom was given though.

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RVR Dept died once marketplace came out

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But did he not stay all that long? this is my point. If we are going to have Community roles etc, why are non-staff members (who aren't interested in climbing the management ladder) considered for the posts? the likes of GommeInc, FlyingJesus and others would be much better suited.

The present system seems to me like an escalator system into positions higher and higher up. I was never interested in going above Rare Values and would have turned it down - and i'm sure there are many managers (Adzeh stayed as News for a very long time did he not?) who are the same.

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There's 3 staff who normally work on the actual site and one (Assistant) Manager who is site orientated (me and Will being the exceptions for that) but recently a lot of Habbox.com things are being updated due to the want for it. HabboxWiki I think is needed and it even comes up on Google when I search for things, there's also a little addition at the bottom saying how many times a page has been accessed, regardless of it being random page or not it shows how many use the Wiki.

Last I checked there were 12 active Wiki users, about half were the staff I believe but others such as @,AAiden; and @runeaddict99 etc. do use it, likewise with other staff members.

The General Manager isn't usually away, it's only really been this month when members have started to notice more as it seemed reason after reason cropped up (good and bad), a lot of staff are away at the moment too which could be why there doesn't seem to be a lot getting done.

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6t ~ mind did get it back 9 months later


RVR Dept died once marketplace came out

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TBH I Don't think that RV has died that much because when I'm trading on Habbo people always say to me 'wait.. I'm checking habbox.' So yeah! Might just be me though :P And yes I am a active wiki user.. I like to learn the history of Habbox really!

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But did he not stay all that long? this is my point. If we are going to have Community roles etc, why are non-staff members (who aren't interested in climbing the management ladder) considered for the posts? the likes of GommeInc, FlyingJesus and others would be much better suited.

The present system seems to me like an escalator system into positions higher and higher up. I was never interested in going above Rare Values and would have turned it down - and i'm sure there are many managers (Adzeh stayed as News for a very long time did he not?) who are the same.

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Community is mainly the Habbo side of it, hence why they overlook Events, Help Desk, Competitions, Rare Values and Habbox Live as you need to play Habbo for some of them.

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There are so many things wrong with habbox and in every department, it would give me a headache writing about all of the issues. Forum decline is the main issue, the way departments are being ran is another. We have an AGM here who is frequently inactive, why hasn't he been removed? Nothing is being done to try and bring in new members here... The moderation department is sloppy, sending out incorrect pm's and following rules literally without using common sense. I've had an encounter here today which reminded me of the ---MAD--- era, in fact, at least during that era there was an active presence amongst general management, something which can't be said for the current one. There are loads of outdated pages on the habbox website which aren't being updated as "there's no point" since a new versions coming out soon (where have I heard that before?) Hxl is pretty much dead and do people even use habbox wiki? There are so many problems with habbox and I don't see management (which looks like a one man team tbh) coming up with any solutions.

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Your warning's been removed by the way. Everything you have said has been mentioned in other threads and been answered by those departments, especially the one about outdated content where changes have been made for them to start editing those pages again.

Is HabboxWiki a waste?

No not really. It actually gets a pretty good amount of hits and more than the HabboxLive site to be fair. It's got great information on and can offer more detail than the main Habbox site can.

Will the General Management Team post 40+ a week?

Most likely not. The only person who actually would is myself because I do that without having to force myself every week and often do over 40. Does that mean they should be fired? Everyone will have different views on that but does seem to silly to fire staff members over that. Forcing people to post doesn't seem to be an an ideal solution - When does that actually work? I'll let you post your views on that one.

Do Managers have freedom?

You could say they have too much freedom now. But I often get PM's or spammed on msn to do this that and the other because the department manager hasn't done it for them or they have disagreed.

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But did he not stay all that long? this is my point. If we are going to have Community roles etc, why are non-staff members (who aren't interested in climbing the management ladder) considered for the posts? the likes of GommeInc, FlyingJesus and others would be much better suited.

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Best to ask Jin that question as he has more say over General Management than anyone posting in this thread.

I can say since MP, iv seen 2-3% say let me check Habbox, or lower.

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Your warning's been removed by the way. Everything you have said has been mentioned in other threads and been answered by those departments, especially the one about outdated content where changes have been made for them to start editing those pages again.

Is HabboxWiki a waste?

No not really. It actually gets a pretty good amount of hits and more than the HabboxLive site to be fair. It's got great information on and can offer more detail than the main Habbox site can.

Will the General Management Team post 40+ a week?

Most likely not. The only person who actually would is myself because I do that without having to force myself every week and often do over 40. Does that mean they should be fired? Everyone will have different views on that but does seem to silly to fire staff members over that. Forcing people to post doesn't seem to be an an ideal solution - When does that actually work?

Do Managers have freedom?

You could say they have too much freedom now. But I often get PM's pr spammed on msn to do this that and the other because the department manager hasn't done it for them or they have disagreed.



Best to ask Jin that question as he has more say over General Management than anyone posting in this thread.

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none of those threads mentioned inactivity of agms which is one of the main focuses of this thread, otherwise it would be 'targeting'

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none of those threads mentioned inactivity of agms which is one of the main focuses of this thread, otherwise it would be 'targeting'

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No they didn't but your others points did.

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Will the General Management Team post 40+ a week?

Most likely not. The only person who actually would is myself because I do that without having to force myself every week and often do over 40. Does that mean they should be fired? Everyone will have different views on that but does seem to silly to fire staff members over that. Forcing people to post doesn't seem to be an an ideal solution - When does that actually work? I'll let you post your views on that one.

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If that doesn't work why are moderators being forced to post 40 per week, but I think it does it increases their presence on the forum and im going to be honest 3-4 posts over seven days for somebody in such a senior position. Is it that they have no desire to use the forum and it's only the title keeping them here? Maybe not I don't know but can we really go on like this?

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If that doesn't work why are moderators being forced to post 40 per week, but I think it does it increases their presence on the forum and im going to be honest 3-4 posts over seven days for somebody in such a senior position. Is it that they have no desire to use the forum and it's only the title keeping them here? Maybe not I don't know but can we really go on like this?

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I am aware that I am the only person in the GM team who will go round and post so much a week. But that's because they want to post in threads that they care about and not just post for the sake of it. Maybe I just find threads to post in or stuff to post about more often than others?

You wasn't forced by GM to do that, you was forced by your own manager to start posting that amount per week.

Maybe if they can't be bothered helping a good conversation carry on they should carry on their position here, Plus why do mods have to do 40 posts yet AGM's dont? If anything they should be doing more, Your lucky to get 4 posts a week from Myke or Mike, let alone 40...

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Maybe if they can't be bothered helping a good conversation carry on they should carry on their position here, Plus why do mods have to do 40 posts yet AGM's dont? If anything they should be doing more, Your lucky to get 4 posts a week from Myke or Mike, let alone 40...

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I'll let them answer that then :P

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I am aware that I am the only person in the GM team who will go round and post so much a week. But that's because they want to post in threads that they care about and not just post for the sake of it. Maybe I just find threads to post in or stuff to post about more often than others?

You wasn't forced by GM to do that, you was forced by your own manager to start posting that amount per week.

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Ok, but this isn't about you posting so much (albeit you do) it's that they post so low and if the case is they don't want to go around posting random things that don't interest them they should as part of their job welcome new members (nearly all of them) in the welcomes forum. Just by doing that they could get more posts than they do normally. Then maybe create discussion that interest them to see where others interests may overlap with theirs. For example I did this with @Mathew with rugby league and now we're always discussing the weekly rounds (well not now because the season ended!)

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Ok, but this isn't about you posting so much (albeit you do) it's that they post so low and if the case is they don't want to go around posting random things that don't interest them they should as part of their job welcome new members (nearly all of them) in the welcomes forum. Just by doing that they could get more posts than they do normally. Then maybe create discussion that interest them to see where others interests may overlap with theirs. For example I did this with @Mathew with rugby league and now we're always discussing the weekly rounds (well not now because the season ended!)

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I kinda explained on why the other two don't post as much as I know they have expressed their feelings on the matter before. I'm sure Mike/Myke will post soon in this thread in regards of their posting and what they think about it though.

I'm currently working on something that'll hopefully get the Habbox name out there. Sadly I think some people seem to think that doing lots of events, comps and giveaways will get everyone here but Habbox was at its peak when it was the go-to site for rare values and everything else would've been added extras to keep them here. Essentially it means that Habbox needs something else unique that other fansites or Habbo (which has taken away a lot of the functions that fansites provided) do not offer and that Habbos actually want before Habbox will ever see signs of improvement and that's a task that's easier said than done.

i see mike post way more than 4 times a week lol (well recently anyways)

By the time that's released (if thats v7 or not) Habbox won't b a fansite, it will be a dead gold fish :(

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By the time that's released (if thats v7 or not) Habbox won't b a fansite, it will be a dead gold fish :(

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i see mike post way more than 4 times a week lol (well recently anyways)

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Mike as in Community Mike has posted more than 4 times for the past few weeks yeah.

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Version 7 is coming along just nicely :)

It's not v7, it's something else that I don't really want to go into detail about right now cos they still need fine-tuning but as far as I know, it's something fansites don't really do.

As for the posting thing, I do not agree that moderators need to be posting 40 a week. As I've explained before, the whole point of a forum is that people post when they want to in the threads they want to post in. If there was a requirement, wouldn't you just be wondering if the only reason I posted in a thread was because I had to? I wouldn't really want that from any staff member regardless of rank. Instead, I believe moderators + management need to be creating the environment/atmosphere/spirit/whatever you want to call it that encourages people to post rather than forces them to. Whether the forum is successful at this is up for debate but as it's being described as a return to the --MAD-- era and this thread was seemingly moved, I'm going to suggest that there is still a lot of work left to be done.

The reason I brought moderator posting statistics back is because I think it's important for us to be involved more with the community. I have said to them that posts in any section will count towards it except for the staff forums so it really isn't difficult to make 6 posts a day. If you feel you are forcing yourself to post then whats the point in using the forum? It would look terrible if none of the moderators made posts when it's their job to look after the forum.

As for this thread being moved, I was expecting it to be something else which was a private issue that shouldn't have been put in the public forums.

I don't feel like I'm forcing myself to post that's the point. I would be forced if someone forced a quota per week on me.
So you moved a thread before you'd even read what it was about? Seems a backwards way to do moderation!

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I don't feel like I'm forcing myself to post that's the point. I would be forced if someone forced a quota per week on me.
So you moved a thread before you'd even read what it was about? Seems a backwards way to do moderation!

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Well seeing as the two previous threads were threads that had to be removed I thought it was the best option. No harm done by it as it was back within 30 seconds.

Should AGMS have a minimum post count? Moderators should, they work on the forum. Mike works on the Habbo client, therefore he should be spending time in game visiting events, the help desk etc. making sure everything's up to scratch. Just like Myke should be checking up with any discipline issues within departments, and just like the non-existant AGM Dev should be whipping the site coders.

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HabboxWiki I think is needed and it even comes up on Google when I search for things

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I'd like to add to this point because it's so freaking crucial, I don't think that Habbox Wiki was every going to grab our own userbase and get them active in it. What will happen, I hope, is the same as Wikipedia. Our search engine rankings are slowly increasing and our self-linking is also improving, as this happens when people start to search for Habbo related stuff like say the Ochre Ice Cream maker Habboxwiki will be a nice high, or even top, listing with the Habbox name displayed proudly. Hopefully bringing in some new players interested in getting an edge.

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I'd like to add to this point because it's so freaking crucial, I don't think that Habbox Wiki was every going to grab our own userbase and get them active in it. What will happen, I hope, is the same as Wikipedia. Our search engine rankings are slowly increasing and our self-linking is also improving, as this happens when people start to search for Habbo related stuff like say the Ochre Ice Cream maker Habboxwiki will be a nice high, or even top, listing with the Habbox name displayed proudly. Hopefully bringing in some new players interested in getting an edge.

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http://www.habboxforum.com/showthrea...62#post7677262

please. embarrassed for ever making the current logo

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I'd like to add to this point because it's so freaking crucial, I don't think that Habbox Wiki was every going to grab our own userbase and get them active in it. What will happen, I hope, is the same as Wikipedia. Our search engine rankings are slowly increasing and our self-linking is also improving, as this happens when people start to search for Habbo related stuff like say the Ochre Ice Cream maker Habboxwiki will be a nice high, or even top, listing with the Habbox name displayed proudly. Hopefully bringing in some new players interested in getting an edge.

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I think wiki will eventually gain more and more momentum.

One recommendation though is to standardize pages more. It seems that one page is laid out completely differently from another page about a similar think- case in point departments, look at radio and comps and see the difference. I'd prefer a standard layout, such as the main wiki does- intro, history etc etc. Also, need to make an account to edit the fact that someone wrote a lovely peace of propaganda that the radio gets 50 unique listeners off-peak. This isn't 2007 :P!

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Should AGMS have a minimum post count? Moderators should, they work on the forum. Mike works on the Habbo client, therefore he should be spending time in game visiting events, the help desk etc. making sure everything's up to scratch. Just like Myke should be checking up with any discipline issues within departments, and just like the non-existant AGM Dev should be whipping the site coders.


I'd like to add to this point because it's so freaking crucial, I don't think that Habbox Wiki was every going to grab our own userbase and get them active in it. What will happen, I hope, is the same as Wikipedia. Our search engine rankings are slowly increasing and our self-linking is also improving, as this happens when people start to search for Habbo related stuff like say the Ochre Ice Cream maker Habboxwiki will be a nice high, or even top, listing with the Habbox name displayed proudly. Hopefully bringing in some new players interested in getting an edge.

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Not entirely sure that dig at the site coders was needed. If you hadn't noticed I do have a full time job. I gave up all my last days off to code the latest part of V7.

I'm sure someone has asked this already but I don't want to dig through threads, when is v7 coming?

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I'm sure someone has asked this already but I don't want to dig through threads, when is v7 coming?

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It comes when it comes.