How are bots still getting through?

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21-05-2013, 12:26 PM
GoldenMerc

How are bots still getting through?

Thought they wouldn't show until a smod approved, Just seen like 10?
Whats going on...
21-05-2013, 12:28 PM
Aiden

its annoying :( is that 1 post thing not working or something or just turned off? :O
21-05-2013, 12:35 PM
Kardan

I've said from the very beginning that the one post approval isn't on, but everyone's ignored me :P

---------- Post added 21-05-2013 at 01:38 PM ----------

Also, what captcha do we have on our registration page? Obviously they're getting past it, so perhaps we should change our captcha? They might be able to get past the new one as well, but surely it's worth a try?
21-05-2013, 12:51 PM
GoldenMerc

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kardan

I've said from the very beginning that the one post approval isn't on, but everyone's ignored me :P

---------- Post added 21-05-2013 at 01:38 PM ----------

Also, what captcha do we have on our registration page? Obviously they're getting past it, so perhaps we should change our captcha? They might be able to get past the new one as well, but surely it's worth a try?

They have the tic tac toe one, All of them get caught, spam bots are getting smarter and I would have thought doing something like whats 1+3838 then they put the answer in would be better
21-05-2013, 12:52 PM
David

pretty sure they're not bots
21-05-2013, 12:54 PM
Mr-Trainor

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoldenMerc

They have the tic tac toe one, All of them get caught, spam bots are getting smarter and I would have thought doing something like whats 1+3838 then they put the answer in would be better

Thought so. I agree that a maths one could be better, or maybe both if possible.

---------- Post added 21-05-2013 at 01:55 PM ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by David

pretty sure they're not bots

Yeah that's possible.

---------- Post added 21-05-2013 at 01:55 PM ----------

So is the 1 post approval enabled or not :S?
21-05-2013, 01:02 PM
GoldenMerc

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21-05-2013, 01:09 PM
Kardan

Quote:

Originally Posted by David

pretty sure they're not bots

I must say I am impressed that they post in the right forum :P

But even if they're not bots, they're still getting through the system with 0 posts.
21-05-2013, 01:11 PM
j0rd

The one post approval is enabled, just somehow I think some threads are slipping through.
Sorted them
21-05-2013, 01:13 PM
xxMATTGxx

I will need to look again but when I check it seems the threads get approved which is why they show up. We even got another system in to check how long it takes them to sign up. If its less than XX seconds then they get redirected to a YouTube video. I have noticed ThisHabbo are also getting these spam accounts as well.

I shall see what other stuff we can put into place.
21-05-2013, 01:14 PM
Kardan

Then the big question is, who on earth is approving these threads? :P
Because personally, it's looks like they're getting approved automatically, unless someone is going 'No, I will wait a few minutes to approve this next spam post'...
21-05-2013, 01:15 PM
GoldenMerc

Yeh i think they are being approved automatically also...
21-05-2013, 01:17 PM
Kardan

Also, the obvious point. It can't be approved automatically, because surely the MOD approving them would then go 'Hang on, I've approved 10 spam threads', and remove them...
21-05-2013, 01:18 PM
GoldenMerc

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kardan

Also, the obvious point. It can't be approved automatically, because surely the MOD approving them would then go 'Hang on, I've approved 10 spam threads', and remove them...

Well there isn't a smod on, im sure garner isnt approving them.. so meh
21-05-2013, 01:18 PM
xxMATTGxx

Okay I've set a reminder on my phone to look into the approving threads issue when I get home tonight.

Edit: Just had a brainwave, I think I might know what triggers them to show auto. I shall update when I'm home from work.
21-05-2013, 01:22 PM
j0rd

If we need to move them out of the forum then they will need to be approved by us first, but that takes literally 2 minutes until they get moved out of view.
Some seem to be getting approved automatically, no idea how it's happening
21-05-2013, 01:25 PM
xxMATTGxx

I think an old promotion setting might still be in place. So if they post so many then it just approves anything. I could be wrong but that's one of my theories on this.
21-05-2013, 01:34 PM
Kardan

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxMATTGxx

I think an old promotion setting might still be in place. So if they post so many then it just approves anything. I could be wrong but that's one of my theories on this.

Hmm, if this was the case (let's say if you post 5, it gets approved) wouldn't we see something like:

Thread 1 - 2:01pm
Thread 2 - 2:01pm
Thread 3 - 2:01pm
Thread 4 - 2:01pm
Thread 5 - 2:01pm
Thread 6 - 2:02pm
Thread 7 - 2:03pm
21-05-2013, 01:36 PM
xxMATTGxx

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kardan

Hmm, if this was the case (let's say if you post 5, it gets approved) wouldn't we see something like:

Thread 1 - 2:01pm
Thread 2 - 2:01pm
Thread 3 - 2:01pm
Thread 4 - 2:01pm
Thread 5 - 2:01pm
Thread 6 - 2:02pm
Thread 7 - 2:03pm

Not sure but that's the only way they would be approved automatically. If they were approved in the first place. Will update later.
21-05-2013, 01:36 PM
j0rd

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kardan

Hmm, if this was the case (let's say if you post 5, it gets approved) wouldn't we see something like:

Thread 1 - 2:01pm
Thread 2 - 2:01pm
Thread 3 - 2:01pm
Thread 4 - 2:01pm
Thread 5 - 2:01pm
Thread 6 - 2:02pm
Thread 7 - 2:03pm

There is a pattern in the threads. It seems the first 5 need to be approved then it just lets everything through after that.

E.g:
Thread 1 - Moderated
Thread 2 - Moderated
Thread 3 - Moderated
Thread 4 - Moderated
Thread 5 - Moderated
Thread 6 - Approved
Thread 7 - Approved
etc.
21-05-2013, 01:37 PM
Tom

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxMATTGxx

I think an old promotion setting might still be in place. So if they post so many then it just approves anything. I could be wrong but that's one of my theories on this.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kardan

Hmm, if this was the case (let's say if you post 5, it gets approved) wouldn't we see something like:

Thread 1 - 2:01pm
Thread 2 - 2:01pm
Thread 3 - 2:01pm
Thread 4 - 2:01pm
Thread 5 - 2:01pm
Thread 6 - 2:02pm
Thread 7 - 2:03pm

Attempting to remember how the whole promotion system works. To my knowledge, if their usergroup/rank or whatever get changed we still wouldn't see the unapproved posts (because they're unapproved until made otherwise) however we would see newly created threads - if what Matt is saying is correct.

How many threads do the spambots even create? I don't know what the promotion system is ranked by, but I'm sure it'd not something like 5 is it?
21-05-2013, 01:40 PM
Kardan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skynus

Attempting to remember how the whole promotion system works. To my knowledge, if their usergroup/rank or whatever get changed we still wouldn't see the unapproved posts (because they're unapproved until made otherwise) however we would see newly created threads - if what Matt is saying is correct.

How many threads do the spambots even create? I don't know what the promotion system is ranked by, but I'm sure it'd not something like 5 is it?

Well, if the promotion system ends up posting all threads at once when that magic number is reached, then it's not the promotion system causing an issue, because the bot today posted them 1 by 1, and reached about 10...
21-05-2013, 01:42 PM
xxMATTGxx

Can someone post me a link to the user profile of the spam bot? Want to check one of their threads. I should be working (A)
21-05-2013, 01:43 PM
Tom

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kardan

Well, if the promotion system ends up posting all threads at once when that magic number is reached, then it's not the promotion system causing an issue, because the bot today posted them 1 by 1, and reached about 10...

After the bot has been 'promoted' only the new threads they make would be approved - this is assuming my memory serves me well. I could be completely wrong.

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxMATTGxx

Can someone post me a link to the user profile of the spam bot? Want to check one of their threads. I should be working (A)

You don't work.
21-05-2013, 01:44 PM
Kardan

http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=115374

---------- Post added 21-05-2013 at 02:44 PM ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skynus

After the bot has been 'promoted' only the new threads they make would be approved - this is assuming my memory serves me well. I could be completely wrong.

That would make sense then :) That means if it is the promotion system, it just needs to be turned off :)
21-05-2013, 01:45 PM
GoldenMerc

I wish the promotion system worked for staff too, seen as 65% or more of the people who post are actually staff
21-05-2013, 01:53 PM
Tom

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoldenMerc

I wish the promotion system worked for staff too, seen as 65% or more of the people who post are actually staff

I'm sure it does work for staff, too?
21-05-2013, 01:59 PM
e5

they're posting legit posts first before the films
21-05-2013, 02:06 PM
GoldenMerc

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skynus

I'm sure it does work for staff, too?

the star system? na
21-05-2013, 02:06 PM
Kardan

Quote:

Originally Posted by e5

they're posting legit posts first before the films

Where? I can never find these posts :P
21-05-2013, 02:14 PM
Tom

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoldenMerc

the star system? na

They get the rank, you just don't see the stars because of the user group(s) they're in. It's the same with Donator/VIP - you don't see the stars. The stars are based on how many posts you make.

Or am I talking **** again? I'm sure I'm not, but you never know.
21-05-2013, 02:14 PM
e5

Haha, they get removed fairly quickly :P

http://www.habboxforum.com/showpost.php?p=7911358

That is one of the post, but it's been moved to a forum you can't see haha

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kardan

Where? I can never find these posts :P
21-05-2013, 02:15 PM
Kardan

Quote:

Originally Posted by e5

Haha, they get removed fairly quickly :P

But why would their normal posts get removed?
21-05-2013, 02:16 PM
xxMATTGxx

I couldn't see any normal posts for the account that got posted in here. Unless I am being blind :P
21-05-2013, 02:30 PM
e5

To be honest, I don't actually know why this was removed. I guess as mods know it was a spam post to get it approved.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kardan

But why would their normal posts get removed?
21-05-2013, 07:43 PM
Chris

Has been happening for a while which is really bizarre. If Matt hasn't found the issue then I'll have a look.
21-05-2013, 08:18 PM
xxMATTGxx

Bots should not be able to post now unless they have been approved by an actual human. The reason it was happening is a secondary usergroup gets added automatically so it can be counted in a posting stats script but I've now removed it from usergroup and it should be all good to go.