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not a good week for barlow!
disgusting thing to say, seriously makes me wonder what kind of kicks people get out of being so brutal
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and what the hell is wrong with the people who retweeted/favourited it
jesus sending this tweet to him is one thing but hacking his account to do it is a whole other level
wonder what will happen to the hacker
Very harsh, I'm sure the person who did it wouldn't like it of they said that about their children or a family member.
thats just gone ott to the highest level, just vile
I support tax avoidance 100%, why should people who have earnt their money pay ridiculous amounts of money to a government that pisses the money up the wall on foreign aid, stupid wars, the EU, quangos etc?
The only time I have a problem with tax avoidance is when it's people who have called for higher taxes/higher state spending but who have then been caught out avoiding tax themselves, ie left wing comedians & the Guardian newspaper.
I'm not a fan of Barlow but that is disgusting - his wife and himself were incredibly upset about the loss of their baby. Tax avoidance may be somewhat immoral, but using something so heart breaking against anyone with a moral compass, including the Barlows, such as the loss of a baby that was really wanted by two clearly loving parents, is disgusting.
Taxation and citizenship isn't about picking and choosing what you agree with. It's an all or nothing affair. If you disagree with the government's actions to the extent that you would avoid paying tax then you ought to leave and go somewhere which aligns more closely with your public spending opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-
The only situation where I can agree with tax avoidance is corporation tax, corporations are not moral agents and cannot be expected to act as such. Further, if one corporation doesn't avoid tax and another does then the one which avoids tax is at a steep advantage as they can reduce costs for customers. The way to deal with corporate tax avoidance, is either to close loopholes universally or to simply abolish it.
Not at all, that assumes that democracy is the be all and end all. I prize personal liberty as the be all and end all, and I regard over-taxation as theft by force. In a democracy hypothetically, the 51% could vote to confiscate the wealth of the 49% they that earned..... is that right? No.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chippiewill
Whilst we live in a part-democracy, we also live under a complicated taxation system that has many loopholes which makes it legal to avoid tax. Remember, Gary Barlow and others are not evading taxation (which IS illegal) they are simply avoiding tax (which is legal). And when I see the numerous examples of our government wasting money whilst raising taxes to waste even more, I say good on them.
It's all lawful what they've been doing. And it's all moral I would argue, and better for the economy too.
That's democracy in action, the 49% still have a right to leave.Quote:
Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-
And that's the flaw in democracy. I apologise for evoking Godwin's Law here, but the same could have been said for 1930's Jews in Germany. My point is that the state isn't the country and democracy doesn't automatically make something right. One should not have to leave their country because their government is out of control.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chippiewill
Not entirely convinced that the Jews were still extended that right when they were sat in concentration camps.Quote:
Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-
No, but the point stands: 51% outvoting the 49% to remove their personal freedoms/wealth is wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chippiewill
Liberty > Democracy.
jesus that's bad
that's disgusting why are they attacking poppy
tax avoidance, tax evasion is just like when young chavs from a council estate trashing shops are anti-social thugs and boys from Bullingdon Club doing the same thing are just being boys, public nuisance. Ultimately the same thing but the latter have the money to hide behind.
As for that message, jesus, some people have no life