#EverydaySexualSegregation

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02-05-2015, 11:36 PM
-:Undertaker:-

#EverydaySexualSegregation

http://order-order.com/2015/05/02/ev...afcPh3dhhiJABQ

#EverydaySexualSegregation

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Originally Posted by Guido Fawkes

Labour are at the forefront of the fight for sexual equality – except when it might cost them votes. So here pictured in Hodge Hill this morning are Tom Watson MP, Liam Byrne MP and Mr Jack Dromey MP as well as Siôn Simon MEP speaking in front of a segregated audience:

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Wonder what Harriet would have to say about it?

UPDATE: Nigel comments

This is wholly unacceptable in a civilised society: http://t.co/ASdIxtlmB1
— Nigel Farage MP (@Nigel_Farage) May 2, 2015

Wow, just wow.

More proof if needed that the left and specifically the Labour Party doesn't have any principles other than power. You only have to look at how Labour threw 1,400 English girls to the immigrant pedophile gangs in Rotherham and other towns and cities to see that. They're a ******* disgrace.

If you have a daughter, are a woman or happen to be gay and immigration continues like this then be warned: when it comes to it, Labour will throw you under the bus because the bloc immigrant vote will always come first for them, just as they put the working classes second during their last reign of terror.

Let's hear from our two favourite 'progressive' Labourites @Kardan; and @The Don; and see what mental gymnastics they come up with to justify this.

Thoughts?
03-05-2015, 12:54 AM
Chippiewill

Kinda looks like they segregated themselves, the woman on the panel isn't segregated. Are you saying we should not allow people to decide where they sit because its sexist? I thought you were libertarian?
03-05-2015, 01:35 AM
-:Undertaker:-

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Originally Posted by Chippiewill

Kinda looks like they segregated themselves, the woman on the panel isn't segregated. Are you saying we should not allow people to decide where they sit because its sexist? I thought you were libertarian?

I thought you and more specifically Labour were for women's rights and liberation?
03-05-2015, 04:00 AM
Chippiewill

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

I thought you and more specifically Labour were for women's rights and liberation?

Part of women's rights is their right to segregate themselves.
03-05-2015, 04:04 AM
-:Undertaker:-

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Originally Posted by Chippiewill

Part of women's rights is their right to segregate themselves.

Oh yes because I am sure they segregate themselves willingly and not due to their husbands. But this isn't about me, this is about the Labour stance.

Left wingers and Labour argue all the time for women's rights, had this been a Tory/CoE/Ukip meeting then they'd be up in arms telling us how this kind of attitude belongs back in the Victorian era. So the question is, why do Labour shrink away from arguing for gender equality when it comes to 'diverse' voters?

It kind of answers itself really. Guaranteed 'community'-wide votes and rank hypocrisy.
03-05-2015, 09:17 AM
lawrawrrr

How is it Labour's fault if the women choose to segregate themselves though? They can't force people to sit places. Unless a Labour party member segregated them then I see nothing wrong with this. All it really proves is that there are some less progressively-minded people who are at least considering a Labour vote.
03-05-2015, 10:26 AM
Kardan

I don't understand it personally, but if people choose to sit like that, let them be. To me it's pretty obvious that it's the choices of the people in the hall to sit like that rather than the Labour party going 'Men there, women here'. All this shows is that the Labour party are willing to talk in front of an audience that sits themselves in such a way.
03-05-2015, 10:50 AM
The Don

Not that I would ever want to sit segregated but if they want to segregate themselves then that's up to them... As a champion of free rights surely you're happy labour didn't force them to sit together?
03-05-2015, 10:59 AM
AgnesIO

Easily your most embarrassing, pathetic, small-minded post that you have ever put on this forum, Dan.

This is completely normal in mosques, and - let's now destroy your anti-Islam post, it is also completely normal in countries across the world in churches (some being ex-colonial countries, but then we all know the British were totally for everyone mixing together, right?).
03-05-2015, 12:55 PM
Chippiewill

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

So the question is, why do Labour shrink away from arguing for gender equality when it comes to 'diverse' voters?

Considering the men are just as segregated I fail to see how this represents a gender inequality.

Wake up Dan, this is just another **** Guido post designed to rile up its racist readership.
03-05-2015, 01:10 PM
Earthquake

why so many religious people in the room?
03-05-2015, 01:26 PM
The Don

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Originally Posted by conservative

Easily your most embarrassing, pathetic, small-minded post that you have ever put on this forum, Dan.

This is completely normal in mosques, and - let's now destroy your anti-Islam post, it is also completely normal in countries across the world in churches (some being ex-colonial countries, but then we all know the British were totally for everyone mixing together, right?).

According to Dan it’s perfectly fine to discriminate against a gay person by refusing to sell them flowers but god forbid some people want to voluntarily sit apart from one another. He's just one massive hypocrite who pretends to believe in libertarianism and free rights when it suits him.
03-05-2015, 01:45 PM
-:Undertaker:-

Isn't it interesting how @Chippiewill; @lawrawrrr; @conservative; and @Kardan; all manage such amazing mental gymnastics.

If I made an argument against gay marriage for example or for the married family, then they are the same people who would come down on me like a tonne of bricks calling me a racist, outdated, bigoted, how dare I express such attitudes in 2015... but when it comes to members of 'the community' sitting their women separate (are you REALLY naive enough to think the women aren't under the order of the men there) then it's all okay for some strange reason.

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Originally Posted by The Don

According to Dan it’s perfectly fine to discriminate against a gay person by refusing to sell them flowers but god forbid some people want to voluntarily sit apart from one another. He's just one massive hypocrite who pretends to believe in libertarianism and free rights when it suits him.

I am not arguing one way or the other.

This is about why Labour isn't making a stand for gender equality in one of their own meetings when usually they can't stop harping on about it.

Q: why is that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Earthquake

why so many religious people in the room?

It's one of those colonised areas.
03-05-2015, 02:15 PM
-:Undertaker:-

Quote:

Originally Posted by lawrawrrr

How is it Labour's fault if the women choose to segregate themselves though? They can't force people to sit places. Unless a Labour party member segregated them then I see nothing wrong with this. All it really proves is that there are some less progressively-minded people who are at least considering a Labour vote.

Why aren't Labour standing by their principles and refusing to condemn such practices that have no place in modern Britain? (as Labour PR would usually say)

It's amazing how you and Labour reckon you're so 'progressive' yet here you are in 2015 defending a gender segregated audience. Hilariously hypocritical.
03-05-2015, 02:33 PM
FlyingJesus

Are you suggesting that those running the event should have forced everyone to switch seats against their will... in the name of freedom and equality?
03-05-2015, 02:34 PM
-:Undertaker:-

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Originally Posted by FlyingJesus

Are you suggesting that those running the event should have forced everyone to switch seats against their will... in the name of freedom and equality?

Had they had any principles they should have boycotted it and said that they wanted nothing to do with such backwards attitudes.
03-05-2015, 02:36 PM
Chippiewill

Quote:

Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

It's amazing how you and Labour reckon you're so 'progressive' yet here you are in 2015 defending a gender segregated audience. Hilariously hypocritical.

Dan:

a) Learn the difference between hypocritical and inconsistent
b) I am against forced gender segregation, and if there were any substantive evidence of that other than you and the Guido readership applying your skewed world view upon the situation then I'd agree, it's not on. However considering there is zero evidence indicating it was forced I'm perfectly happy for women to segregate themselves from men and men from women to suit their religious beliefs even if I personally don't agree with the practice.
03-05-2015, 02:36 PM
FlyingJesus

So their discriminative cultural practices are backwards attitudes and yours are upholding fine traditions and moral health
03-05-2015, 02:40 PM
-:Undertaker:-

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chippiewill

Dan:

a) Learn the difference between hypocritical and inconsistent

It is hypocritical, and you know it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chippiewill

b) I am against forced gender segregation, and if there were any substantive evidence of that other than you and the Guido readership applying your skewed world view upon the situation then I'd agree, it's not on. However considering there is zero evidence indicating it was forced I'm perfectly happy for women to segregate themselves from men and men from women if it fits their religious beliefs.

Skewed world view? You mean like the fact that in these cultures the men basically own the women?

Even if the women did choose to sit apart, left wing ideology would still argue this is oppression... so why are Labour happy to sit by as it happens?

Answer: because they're a shower of hypocrites.

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlyingJesus

So their discriminative cultural practices are backwards attitudes and yours are upholding fine traditions and moral health

You don't know my opinions on this particular matter.

I'm just arguing from a self-proclaimed progressive perspective who are usually loudmouths when it comes to women's rights yet here they fall silent much in the same way they fell silent when the abuse of thousands of children was and is taking place across 'diverse' areas of this country.
03-05-2015, 02:45 PM
Chippiewill

Quote:

Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

It is hypocritical, and you know it.

Then I suggest you consult a dictionary because that's not what hypocritical means. Your use of the term 'mental gymnastics' means even you don't think its hypocritical even if you don't understand what the word means.
03-05-2015, 02:52 PM
-:Undertaker:-

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Originally Posted by Chippiewill

Then I suggest you consult a dictionary because that's not what hypocritical means. Your use of the term 'mental gymnastics' means even you don't think its hypocritical even if you don't understand what the word means.

As usual you resort to arguing about words just as you'll often debate the title of the thread rather than the topic itself.

Mental gymnastics, as I predicted.
03-05-2015, 02:53 PM
AgnesIO

Quote:

Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

Isn't it interesting how @Chippiewill; @lawrawrrr; @conservative; and @Kardan; all manage such amazing mental gymnastics.

If I made an argument against gay marriage for example or for the married family, then they are the same people who would come down on me like a tonne of bricks calling me a racist, outdated, bigoted, how dare I express such attitudes in 2015... but when it comes to members of 'the community' sitting their women separate (are you REALLY naive enough to think the women aren't under the order of the men there) then it's all okay for some strange reason.

I am not arguing one way or the other.

This is about why Labour isn't making a stand for gender equality in one of their own meetings when usually they can't stop harping on about it.

Q: why is that.

It's one of those colonised areas.

How is this gender inequality? The women are sitting level with the men, just they are divided. This is not uncommon practice across the world (it even happens in some English British schools!!!).

By the way, your example of gay marriage is laughable when talking to me. Focus on my username, then round up my views on the topic.
03-05-2015, 02:53 PM
Chippiewill

Quote:

Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

Even if the women did choose to sit apart, left wing ideology would still argue this is oppression...

Oppression of who? The women are as oppressed as the men in this situation.

WTF are you smoking.
03-05-2015, 02:57 PM
-:Undertaker:-

Quote:

Originally Posted by conservative

How is this gender inequality? The women are sitting level with the men, just they are divided. This is not uncommon practice across the world (it even happens in some English British schools!!!).

And it was Labour who abolished many of the segregated boys and girls schools in an effort to promote gender equality. Now whatever you or I may think about gender segregation, the truth is that Labour believes men and women are completely the same/equal. So why the double standards in this ghetto?

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Originally Posted by conservative

By the way, your example of gay marriage is laughable when talking to me. Focus on my username, then round up my views on the topic.

What about it?

I haven't ever heard you argue for one conservative view... except right now where you're siding with ultraconservative Islamic orthodoxy.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chippiewill

Oppression of who? The women are as oppressed as the men in this situation.

WTF are you smoking.

HAHAHAHAHA can't even distinguish between Islamic culture and how Islamic states treat their citizens.
03-05-2015, 03:03 PM
AgnesIO

Quote:

Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

And it was Labour who abolished many of the segregated boys and girls schools in an effort to promote gender equality. Now whatever you or I may think about gender segregation, the truth is that Labour believes men and women are completely the same/equal. So why the double standards in this ghetto?

What about it?

I haven't ever heard you argue for one conservative view... except right now where you're siding with ultraconservative Islamic orthodoxy.

This has nothing to do with 'ultraconservative Islamic orthodoxy'. Stop being such a prat, Dan. This is not unique to Islam. Islam is not the creator of paedophilia. Or segregration. Or any of the other bollocks you try to pin on it. For **** sake, views that YOU portray are exactly the reason so many people have a fear of UKIP ever having any power.

And branding this a ghetto? Really?

And my post made it quite clear that you are unaware of my views on gay marriage.

THERE IS NOTHING UNEQUAL ABOUT MEN AND WOMEN SITTING IN TWO SEPARATE GROUPS WHEN THEY ARE IN LINE WITH EACH OTHER.
03-05-2015, 03:08 PM
FlyingJesus

Quote:

Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

You don't know my opinions on this particular matter..

Yeah I do because you said that this "segregation" is a backwards attitude that anyone with principles should boycott. As for women's rights, it's absolutely their right to follow the doctrines of a certain system of beliefs, and let's not forget that the Catholic church also promotes segregation between men and women, as do you in fact with your belief that traditional gender roles should be upheld - that is segregation on a far larger scale than simply sitting 5 feet away
03-05-2015, 03:09 PM
-:Undertaker:-

Quote:

Originally Posted by conservative

This has nothing to do with 'ultraconservative Islamic orthodoxy'. Stop being such a prat, Dan. This is not unique to Islam. Islam is not the creator of paedophilia. Or segregration. Or any of the other bollocks you try to pin on it. For **** sake, views that YOU portray are exactly the reason so many people have a fear of UKIP ever having any power.

Rochdale, Rotherham, Oxfordshire, Luton, Bradford........ the list goes on and on and on.

Quote:

Originally Posted by conservative

And branding this a ghetto? Really?

Why so shocked? Tower Hamlets is by all means a ghetto and look at that paradise.

Quote:

Originally Posted by conservative

And my post made it quite clear that you are unaware of my views on gay marriage.

THERE IS NOTHING UNEQUAL ABOUT MEN AND WOMEN SITTING IN TWO SEPARATE GROUPS WHEN THEY ARE IN LINE WITH EACH OTHER.

Just like the Saudi Arabian parliament then.

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlyingJesus

Yeah I do because you said that this "segregation" is a backwards attitude that anyone with principles should boycott. As for women's rights, it's absolutely their right to follow the doctrines of a certain system of beliefs, and let's not forget that the Catholic church also promotes segregation between men and women, as do you in fact with your belief that traditional gender roles should be upheld - that is segregation on a far larger scale than simply sitting 5 feet away

I said Labour should boycott it if they were true to their beliefs.

Again, I am far closer to Islam on many social issues than you lot... it's just very enjoyable to watch you all tie yourselves in knots trying to defend what you'd attack any white, old, Christian hetrosexual man from spouting. As I always say, can't wait to see groups like the UAF, Labour and HopeNotHate hold a demo outside their local mosque for the preaching on homosexuality/women rather than stand outside Ukip/Tory/C of E events and throw abuse at elderly English women.

But they won't because as displayed in this very thread they're moral cowards.
03-05-2015, 03:15 PM
FlyingJesus

But I wouldn't attack an old white Christian man for it either; as I clearly stated this is something that's a part of Catholic worship too
03-05-2015, 03:21 PM
AgnesIO

Quote:

Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

Rochdale, Rotherham, Oxfordshire, Luton, Bradford........ the list goes on and on and on.

Why so shocked? Tower Hamlets is by all means a ghetto and look at that paradise.

Just like the Saudi Arabian parliament then.

Ah, yes, those Islamic paedophiles. How naughty of those pesky ~~muslim~~ white British paedophiles. Blaming Islam for Paedophile rings is like blaming some random German student today for the holocaust.

I won't be voting Labour in this election. Your thread is an absolute joke, and trying to accuse a socially right-wing person of being liberal etc is laughable. Congratulations on being unable to respond to the majority of my post, by the way - it's what I'd expect from somebody who creates such an embarrassing thread.
03-05-2015, 04:09 PM
lawrawrrr

How is in mental gymnastics? People have a right to do what ever the **** they want. I don't condone the way their society treats women, just like I don't condone how some people treat the LGBT+ community, but blaming a political party is insanity. The audience might not have the same views or religion as the political leaders but they're still led by them, vote for them and have a right to listen to their debate. It's not like Miliband walked in and forced women to sit separately! The women were at least ALLOWED to be there. If this was a room FULL of men noone would notice I bet.
03-05-2015, 04:21 PM
scottish

Desperate times when your threads come to this
03-05-2015, 04:24 PM
AgnesIO

Quote:

Originally Posted by scottish

Desperate times when your threads come to this

Got to do something when UKIP continue to slide |-)
03-05-2015, 04:35 PM
GommeInc

It's weird but if they don't want to integrate then that's up to them. You shouldn't have to force them to sit with each other although why they feel it necessary in the UK seems to be making them look weirder than the those who are part of the event. Everyone is weird in this situation - there doesn't appear to be any acceptable outcome :/
03-05-2015, 04:43 PM
AgnesIO

Quote:

Originally Posted by GommeInc

It's weird but if they don't want to integrate then that's up to them. You shouldn't have to force them to sit with each other although why they feel it necessary in the UK seems to be making them look weirder than the those who are part of the event. Everyone is weird in this situation - there doesn't appear to be any acceptable outcome :/

How about letting them do what they like? :L

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