At least 15 dead in US college shooting

http://www.rt.com/usa/317243-shootin...oregon-umpqua/

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Fifteen people have been confirmed dead and at least 20 others have been injured, according to Oregon State Police.

A tweet said at 10:45 a.m. that there was an active shooter at Umpqua Community College in Douglas County, Oregon.

At least 10 people have been killed and around 20 others have been injured, Oregon State Police spokesman Bill Fugate initially told CNN. The number of dead later rose to 15.

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Story is still developing apparently.

Another shooting tragedy in the states, RIP :(

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At least 15 people were killed and another 20 wounded at a shooting on Thursday at a community college in Roseburg, Oregon, media reported.

CNN said the shooter had been detained.

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http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/...source=twitter

http://pzfeed.com/active-shooter-rep...unity-college/

ongoing right now

Threads merged by Samanfa (Forum Super Moderator): As they are both on the same topic.

inb4 the USA needs to ban guns then this will stop

the usa needs to ban guns then this will stop

Let us hope that this attack is taking place in a state where the death penalty is actively operating so at least justice can be served.

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Originally Posted by Matthew

the usa needs to ban guns then this will stop

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No it won't.

What might make it stop is an investigation into cannabis and proscribed drugs which almost all of the shooters seem to be on. There's a lot of suspicion that the literal drugging of a nation (and it is happening here with violent attacks too) may have something to do with people being proscribed the likes of anti-depressants for years on end or the use of cannabis. In addition as to what might make shootings like this stop would be the end of "No gun zones" or "No conceal and carry" which is often where these attacks take place: of course by the time the Police arrive to a Gun-free zone to shoot the madman, the damage is already done.

Switzerland has lax gun laws like the US of A, but does not have the shootings: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_po...in_Switzerland

It's a culture/drug problem.

bla bla gun laws bla

*watches everyone erupt into ill-informed debate on guns*

very sad news, sry 4 the families

apparently the shooter posted on 4chan last night and a bunch of sick ******s encouraged him to do it

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Originally Posted by sexpot

apparently the shooter posted on 4chan last night and a bunch of sick ******s encouraged him to do it

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absolutely awful :(

RIP :(

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Originally Posted by sexpot

apparently the shooter posted on 4chan last night and a bunch of sick ******s encouraged him to do it

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Someone said "don't go to school tomorrow if you're in the northwest", could have been anywhere unspecific and similarly ambiguous threads pop up every hour so I wouldn't read too much into that

Awful situation anyway, horrible that anyone would ever think that's a good option to land on

what fj said, you get at least a few of them posts a day

so sad

This is just such sad news!
thoughts are with all families!
Cherish each day!
Doesn't matter if there is a ban or not
if there is a will there is a way unfortunately

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Originally Posted by sexpot

the USA needs to ban guns then this will stop

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;) ;D

Absolutely sick of these shootings and innocent people being killed and injured. I wish it would all just stop sigh. R.I.P :(

Luckily we have heroes like this guy though. ~ http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...e-shooter.html

Terrible news, RIP to all that died. God bless you x

Obama hits the nail on the head. The gun laws have to change. Idiots saying otherwise - including on this forum - need to stand up and face reality.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0AksD8TluI

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Originally Posted by conservative

Obama hits the nail on the head. The gun laws have to change. Idiots saying otherwise - including on this forum - need to stand up and face reality.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0AksD8TluI

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'This is a political choice that we make to allow this to happen every few months in America. We collectively are answerable to those families who lose their loved ones because of our inaction.'
Yes Obama :clap:

Here's hoping it wasn't the guy on 4chan, BBC have said: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34423387 the police are looking into that though.

If it is then that's my entire faith in humanity gone because some people are just sick ****** up freaks.

Considering Obama's definitely not gonna be in office next term he might as well go ahead with some of the important changes that need to be made and not worry about having to pander to anyone's swing vote. Whether he actually WILL or not is another matter of course

Obama is a clown and he's dreaming if he thinks he can change the constitution. Guns were put in it exactly because of people like Obama. @conservative;

http://granitegrok.com/wp-content/up...ObamaGuns1.jpg

If Obama and co want to save lives, they could argue for the repeal of so-called Gun-free zones on state property.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

Obama is a clown and he's dreaming if he thinks he can change the constitution. Guns were put in it exactly because of people like Obama. @conservative;

If Obama and co want to save lives, they could argue for the repeal of so-called Gun-free zones on state property.

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Having armed security guards as the most high profile man on earth? Wow, what a surprise :rolleyes:

Dan, you are absolutely fucking crazy if you genuinely believe that the gun laws are right. The 2nd amendment is ridiculous.

https://www.facebook.com/uniladmag/v...89824/?fref=nf

Guns are part of the US culture, they just need to make sure to truly test gun owners mind, most of these shooters are young, so they could ask them to renew the test in a short period of time and the older they get, less often they have to renew the test.

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Originally Posted by lucaskf390

Guns are part of the US culture, they just need to make sure to truly test gun owners mind, most of these shooters are young, so they could ask them to renew the test in a short period of time and the older they get, less often they have to renew the test.

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'culture'. Move on.

Kids learn how to shoot, grow up and then teach their own children to shoot, isnt that a culture?

Even if it is it doesn't make it a good thing

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Originally Posted by lucaskf390

Guns are part of the US culture, they just need to make sure to truly test gun owners mind, most of these shooters are young, so they could ask them to renew the test in a short period of time and the older they get, less often they have to renew the test.

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How is it feasible to test every person regularly. I don't see how this type of test could work as people can put up facades.

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Originally Posted by Red

How is it feasible to test every person regularly. I don't see how this type of test could work as people can put up facades.

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I dont know exactly how the guns law in usa is, but here where I live, in Brazil, to have a gun you need to give several documents, have several tests (including mental), and your gun is registered, you need to renew that register every three years - to renew is demanded your mental test (which cant be older than 1year). So what I'm proposing is, for different ages, different gaps between tests, and if you dont renew the test and keep the gun, you lose the gun, police go your house and take your gun. If this law is applied in a country like Brazil, its much much much easier to be applied in the USA.

Listening to how they had to play dead to survive, horrible :(

RIP to those that lost their lives

@conservative;

Not at all. I have already given the example of Switzerland which has very lax gun laws but does not have this problem.

The Second Amendment was put into the Constitution by the Founding Fathers as a final defence against tyanny arising in America. It was put in there so that the state could never become too out of control or else the people can rise up and overthrow it: hence why the act most dictators first introduce when they take over is to demand the seizure of all guns in order to prevent any threat to their power. The Second Amendment is staying and cannot be removed in that constitutional republic, so you and other anti-gun campaigners - including the hypocrite-in-chief Obama - are just going to have to get over that.

It's interesting too how skewed you are on this, mainly due to British media refusing to ever cover the stories: all the time in America and every day people's lives and safety are saved by guns. There's tonnes of stories out there of old ladies on their own or young families successfully defending themselves with guns.

Saved by guns in situations that only arise because of guns... and mass shootings nearly every single day. A lack of gun crime in Switzerland just means that laws don't need to be changed in Switzerland, but laws obviously can't be universal when cultures are so different from country to country. If there's a problem you tackle it, you don't say "oh but someone else is ok with it like this"

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Saved by guns in situations that only arise because of guns...

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Um... no? If somebody is breaking into your house you could end up murdered, kidnapped or be raped. We see countless stories in this country of old women or old people in general targeted because they live alone and they're savagely beaten to an inch of their lives because they're defenceless.

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and mass shootings nearly every single day.

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No they don't.

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Originally Posted by FlyingJesus

A lack of gun crime in Switzerland just means that laws don't need to be changed in Switzerland, but laws obviously can't be universal when cultures are so different from country to country. If there's a problem you tackle it, you don't say "oh but someone else is ok with it like this"

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But but but if guns are legal doesn't that mean everyone dies. Oh wait no because Switzerland doesn't have these problems with lax gun laws.

If you want to tackle a problem with the guns in America, what needs to be tackled is the enormous doping of the population which many of the killers tend to be on. In addition, tackle the gang violence in black neighbourhoods (which is where most of it all takes place) and the drug gangs from Mexico coming over the border. And bring an end to these absurd "Gun free zones" on state property which means everyone there is a sitting duck for a pyscho who has snapped.

Plenty of people say "Guns don't kill people, people do" and I can completely understand that, it is a true statement.

But that doesn't change the fact that guns make it a hell of a lot easier to mass murder than the use of an alternative weapon, such as a knife.

The USA, in my own opinion, certainly do need better regulations and laws when it comes to guns. That's not too specific, I know, but I don't know much about this topic. From my mere knowledge of it all, that's what I think.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

Um... no? If somebody is breaking into your house you could end up murdered, kidnapped or be raped. We see countless stories in this country of old women or old people in general targeted because they live alone and they're savagely beaten to an inch of their lives because they're defenceless.

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What, no we don't

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No they don't.

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Stop being wrong all the time

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But but but if guns are legal doesn't that mean everyone dies. Oh wait no because Switzerland doesn't have these problems with lax gun laws.

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I'm not sure why you're saying this in response to me saying that laws need to be different according to the problems of different places. You are literally inventing arguments to replace what's actually been said and then trying to claim some sort of victory by doing so

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@conservative;

Not at all. I have already given the example of Switzerland which has very lax gun laws but does not have this problem.

The Second Amendment was put into the Constitution by the Founding Fathers as a final defence against tyanny arising in America. It was put in there so that the state could never become too out of control or else the people can rise up and overthrow it: hence why the act most dictators first introduce when they take over is to demand the seizure of all guns in order to prevent any threat to their power. The Second Amendment is staying and cannot be removed in that constitutional republic, so you and other anti-gun campaigners - including the hypocrite-in-chief Obama - are just going to have to get over that.

It's interesting too how skewed you are on this, mainly due to British media refusing to ever cover the stories: all the time in America and every day people's lives and safety are saved by guns. There's tonnes of stories out there of old ladies on their own or young families successfully defending themselves with guns.

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But America does have this problem. And unlike almost every Western civilised country on earth which doesn't have this problem, America has very lax gun laws. The second amendment was also made before the USA had the world's most powerful army, meaning that any dictator could destroy the entire population whether they have guns or not.

Skewed? Don't blame the British media for reporting about mass shootings, blame the American's for allowing them to happen. Oh, and as you are well aware, I spent a lot of time overseas. And it is reported just as much as it is in Britain.

Dan's state over mexico's drugs cartels is right. They are extremely violent, have a gun in your home allow you to take them down in a possible attack.

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Dan's state over mexico's drugs cartels is right. They are extremely violent, have a gun in your home allow you to take them down in a possible attack.

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Yes, because Mexican Drug Cartels are extremely likely to raid the home of a random American citizen.

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Yes, because Mexican Drug Cartels are extremely likely to raid the home of a random American citizen.

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If you live in a violent and poor neighborhood, the same places where gangs and cartels are, anything can happen anytime, from fights between gangs to rape and robbery.

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If you live in a violent and poor neighborhood, the same places where gangs and cartels are, anything can happen anytime, from fights between gangs to rape and robbery.

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Well, then, at least we know that only 1,000,000 out of 319,000,000 American's require a gun. Lovely.

Jeannie sits up in her attic, curled around the butt of a loaded rifle, sweat streaming around the backs of her ears and into the nape of her muffler jacket. Who would have known that her pretty little town house at Sauk Rapids in Minnesota would be the next spot on the bloody trail of Juan Nava Valencia's war plan? If only Al Gore had given everyone more guns, all of this could have been over. Sipping her Sunny D through the same straw she used to snort six marijuanas just a few minutes ago, Jeannie reflects upon her life choices and wishes (not for the first time) that good old Ike Eisenhower had nuked the Commies when he had the chance. "God bless America", she whispers, as an eagle tears through the roof and exposes her to the Muslim satellite rays.

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Well, then, at least we know that only 1,000,000 out of 319,000,000 American's require a gun. Lovely.

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The point of the ones that agree with guns is we must have the right to protect our life. Why do you think you can just take off that right? As I said, anything can happen anytime, the gun is your insurance and the reason to anyone trying to steal your house to think twice. If the stealer has a gun and you got nothing you don't even have a chance.

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Originally Posted by lucaskf390

The point of the ones that agree with guns is we must have the right to protect our life. Why do you think you can just take off that right? As I said, anything can happen anytime, the gun is your insurance and the reason to anyone trying to steal your house to think twice. If the stealer has a gun and you got nothing you don't even have a chance.

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When are you going to face reality? As Obama says, in 10 years 74 people have died due to terrorism in your country. Gun violence in America has killed 8,300 in one year.

Guns are not protecting you, they are destroying America. The world has changed since the second amendment. It's time America changed with it.