French security services struggling to deal with 5,000+ radicalised muslims

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15-11-2015, 09:14 PM
-:Undertaker:-

French security services struggling to deal with 5,000+ radicalised muslims

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...ource=Facebook

France is fighting an unwinnable war against Islamic terrorism

Disaffected French Muslims, Europe's open borders and the migrant crisis is creating perfect storm warn French terror experts

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Originally Posted by Telegraph

France is fighting an unwinnable war against the rising threat of Islamic terrorism, leading French terror experts warned last night.

Disaffected Muslim populations at home, unpoliced European borders and battle-hardened fighters now flowing in from Syria and Iraq were creating a perfect storm of terror that is now in danger of defeating the French security services.

France is estimated to have 2,000 citizens involved in Syrian and Iraq jihadi networks and a further 3,800 individuals known to domestic intelligence services as “radicalised”, all watched over by just 3,200 intelligence officers.

“The services are overwhelmed,” said Jean-Charles Brisard, head of the Paris-based Centre for the Analysis of Terrorism, “when you consider it takes 25 officers to provide round-the-clock surveillance on one individual, you can see the difficulty.”

Europe’s open border policy allowing weapons and terrorists to flow freely into France - with at least two of the Friday night attackers coming in from Belgium - means that there are now real fears that it is almost impossible for the intelligence services to keep track of the jihadi threat.

5,000+ potential terrorists and that's just the ones who the security services know about. Jesus fucking christ.

Do @FlyingJesus; and @conservative; also dispute these figures too? Are they too high or too low for their liking or will they just reply with "racist."

Thoughts?
15-11-2015, 09:16 PM
AgnesIO

Neither of us have branded you racist. Stop playing that card and you might get a more interesting response.
15-11-2015, 09:18 PM
-:Undertaker:-

Won't even call me racist or nasty anymore, why we have fallen shy now haven't we.
15-11-2015, 09:20 PM
Kasabian

racist

Edited by Expling (Forum Moderator): Please do not post pointlessly!
15-11-2015, 09:20 PM
AgnesIO

In fact, I can't help myself. 5,800 Muslims are 'radicalised' in France. 4,700,000 Muslims in France. That means that just 0.12% of the French Muslim population.

Just yesterday, @-:Undertaker:- claimed that 5% of Muslims hated the West and were radical. Today, he announces 0.12% of Muslims in France are Radical.

You couldn't make it up...
15-11-2015, 09:27 PM
-:Undertaker:-

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Originally Posted by conservative

In fact, I can't help myself. 5,800 Muslims are 'radicalised' in France. 4,700,000 Muslims in France. That means that just 0.12% of the French Muslim population.

Just yesterday, @-:Undertaker:- claimed that 5% of Muslims hated the West and were radical. Today, he announces 0.12% of Muslims in France are Radical.

You couldn't make it up...

The security services are monitoring 5,000. The figures will be higher, as research I have provided you with over and over indicates.

To me if you sympathise with executing magazine editors for criticising your religion then you are a radical.
15-11-2015, 09:33 PM
AgnesIO

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

The security services are monitoring 5,000. The figures will be higher, as research I have provided you with over and over indicates.

To me if you sympathise with executing magazine editors for criticising your religion then you are a radical.

Ok, well let's say there are actually 50,000 (which there almost certainly aren't). We're now up to 1.2% - or just a quarter of your absurd claim yesterday.

That's a ridiculous claim, once again. They said they sympathised with the reasons, that is very different to sympathising with the killings.
15-11-2015, 09:36 PM
-:Undertaker:-

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Originally Posted by conservative

Ok, well let's say there are actually 50,000 (which there almost certainly aren't). We're now up to 1.2% - or just a quarter of your absurd claim yesterday.

That's a ridiculous claim, once again. They said they sympathised with the reasons, that is very different to sympathising with the killings.

The figures you pulled out of that survey thinking they somehow made your case look good were horrifying as other posters in the thread noted.
15-11-2015, 09:42 PM
AgnesIO

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

The figures you pulled out of that survey thinking they somehow made your case look good were horrifying as other posters in the thread noted.

Congratulations, you post evidence, I pick it apart and you then ignore my point that your 5% figure is absolute bullshit.
15-11-2015, 09:43 PM
buttons

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Originally Posted by conservative

In fact, I can't help myself. 5,800 Muslims are 'radicalised' in France. 4,700,000 Muslims in France. That means that just 0.12% of the French Muslim population.

Just yesterday, @-:Undertaker:- claimed that 5% of Muslims hated the West and were radical. Today, he announces 0.12% of Muslims in France are Radical.

You couldn't make it up...

????
he said "5% of muslims hate the west and were radical" not "5% of FRENCH muslims hate the west and are radical"
you all go on about twisting words when you done just that
15-11-2015, 09:45 PM
-:Undertaker:-

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Originally Posted by buttons

????
he said "5% of muslims hate the west and were radical" not "5% of FRENCH muslims hate the west and are radical"
you all go on about twisting words when you done just that

Exactly, and if I recall correctly I did state the 5% figure was an example as I knew the real radicalised figures to be higher which I later posted and they then dismissed. In other words, no amount of research will suffice for them and they'll just pick on things like when you give a fucking example.
15-11-2015, 09:46 PM
AgnesIO

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Originally Posted by buttons

????
he said "5% of muslims hate the west and were radical" not "5% of FRENCH muslims hate the west and are radical"
you all go on about twisting words when you done just that

I've taken a sample (far more so than a single survey that he has posted thus far). Unless you have data for the entire world in one survey...

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

Exactly, and if I recall correctly I did state the 5% figure was an example as I knew the real radicalised figures to be higher which I later posted and they then dismissed. In other words, no amount of research will suffice for them and they'll just pick on things like when you give a **** example.

The real figures are only higher when you claim that thinking that you should not publish derogatory messages about the Prophet Mohammed is the same as thinking that anyone who does should be slaughtered...
15-11-2015, 09:53 PM
-:Undertaker:-

@conservative; There were various chilling statistics you yourself pulled from that research, here they are yet again.

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Originally Posted by Pew Research

More than two in five (46%) feel that being a Muslim in Britain is difficult due to prejudice against Islam.

Almost all Muslims living in Britain feel a loyalty to the country (95%). Just 6% say they feel a disloyalty.

Nine in ten (93%) British Muslims believe that Muslims in Britain should always obey British laws.

One in four (27%) British Muslims say they have some sympathy for the motives behind the attacks on Charlie Hebdo in Paris.

However, two thirds (68%) say acts of violence against those who publish images of the Prophet can never be justified while a quarter (24%) disagree.

Muslim women are more likely than men to feel unsafe in Britain.

One in nine (11%) British Muslims feel sympathetic towards people who want to fight against western interests while 85% do not.

Half (49%) believe Muslim clerics preaching that violence against the west can be justified are out of touch with mainstream Muslim opinion, while 45% disagree.

And you claim these are reassuring or good figures?

The fact that people can 'sympathise' with the motive to kill somebody for criticising and mocking a religion is scary as hell.
15-11-2015, 10:00 PM
AgnesIO

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

@conservative; There were various chilling statistics you yourself pulled from that research, here they are yet again.

And you claim these are reassuring or good figures?

The fact that people can 'sympathise' with the motive to kill somebody for criticising and mocking a religion is scary as hell.

Motives and acts are very different things. For example; imagine you like football. I also like football. You go and kill someone and say 'its because he insulted football'. I then say; 'I don't think you should insult football'. I clearly never said he deserved to be killed.

"Western interests" - what even is that :rolleyes:

"can be justified" - let's have another example. You go and bomb my country for no reason. I then say "we should fight back". I would argue violence, in that instance, can be justified.

The issue with your statistics is that the statements that go with them are so ridiculously vague that they could mean anything...
15-11-2015, 10:02 PM
-:Undertaker:-

This is just one of the poll questions and he's still making excuses for a series clear cut answers to clear cut questions.

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Originally Posted by Pew Research

However, two thirds (68%) say acts of violence against those who publish images of the Prophet can never be justified while a quarter (24%) disagree.

Not only that but remember that the pollster is assuming the people answering the questions are all telling the truth.... Frightening but not as scary as his denial.
15-11-2015, 10:06 PM
AgnesIO

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

This is just one of the poll questions and he's still making excuses for a series clear cut answers to clear cut questions.

Not only that but remember that the pollster is assuming the people answering the questions are all telling the truth.... Frightening but not as scary as his denial.

Go and ask Catholics in Rome the same question, but relate it to Jesus and come back to me.
15-11-2015, 10:08 PM
-:Undertaker:-

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Originally Posted by conservative

Go and ask Catholics in Rome the same question, but relate it to Jesus and come back to me.

Yes I am sure the French security services are having to watch 5,000+ Roman Catholics right now. How absurd you sound right now.
15-11-2015, 10:13 PM
AgnesIO

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

Yes I am sure the French security services are having to watch 5,000+ Roman Catholics right now. How absurd you sound right now.

Oh did the French Intelligence services do surveys on the Muslims then? Oh, wait, no.
15-11-2015, 10:13 PM
FlyingJesus

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

Yes I am sure the French security services are having to watch 5,000+ Roman Catholics right now. How absurd you sound right now.

Considering the history of Catholic priests as criminals and the fact that the Vatican has the highest crime rate in the world, perhaps they should, after all according to you a tiny minority of cases means that the entire religion is to blame https://media.giphy.com/media/CXcZMAbkAQbF6/giphy.gif
15-11-2015, 10:20 PM
-:Undertaker:-

When we've reached the point where my opponents are seemingly seriously arguing that Vatican priests should be monitored by French security services in their thousands in the same way that maniac jihadists in France are, I think that's a good time to let the debate stand and let the spectators make their judgement. Thank you. :)
15-11-2015, 10:23 PM
FlyingJesus

If you think that was a serious suggestion you have far more mental deficits than your normal posts show
15-11-2015, 10:24 PM
-:Undertaker:-

It's hard to tell with you nowadays what posts you make are based in reality or not.