Turkey detains 8 Islamic State 'refugees' on way to European nations

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Turkey detains 8 Islamic State 'refugees' on way to European nations

- A research poll of Syrian refugees by the Arab Center for Research and Policy Studies, the first of its kind, recently found that refugees blame Israel (the Jews), American and Shia Islam Iran more than they do the Islamic State

- The same poll found that 13% of Syrian refugees - assuming they are being honest - have a positive view of Islamic State

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The Poll result that Syrian refugees blame Israel for the crisis in Syria shows the deep hatred of Jewish people in the muslim world

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Originally Posted by Yahoo News

Istanbul (AFP) - Turkish police detained eight suspected members of the Islamic State jihadist (IS) group, state media said Wednesday, adding they were planning to sneak into Europe posing as refugees.

Counter-terror police detained the suspects in Istanbul's Ataturk Airport after they flew in from the Moroccan city of Casablanca on Tuesday, the official Anatolia news agency reported.

The police found a hand-written note on one of the suspects detailing a migration route from Istanbul to Germany via Greece, Serbia and Hungary, including smuggler boats across the Mediterranean Sea, as well as several train and bus journeys.

The eight men told police that they were just tourists who had been planning to spend a few days in Istanbul and had booked rooms at a hotel, but no reservations were found under their names.

Turkey is the main launching point for migrants coming to Europe, and currently hosts over two million Syrian refugees.

More than 650,000 migrants and refugees, have reached the Greek islands so far in 2015 using the eastern Mediterranean route, the International Organisation for Migration (IOM) said earlier this month.

The Paris attacks however threw a security spotlight on the migrant flow, after the discovery at the scene of one of Friday's attacks of a Syrian passport registered in the Greek island of Leros on October 3.

But Ankara has stepped security measures in recent months after a series of deadly attacks blamed on the extremists, including a twin suicide bombing in Ankara that killed 102 people last month.

According to official data released to AFP last week, in the first half of 2015 over 700 foreign suspected jihadists were detained and deported from Turkey whereas for all of 2014 the figure was 520.

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It was the late Enoch Powell who coined the term that it is like watching a nation busily engage in heaping up its own funeral pyre.

Let us hope that the inevitable terror attacks we now face over the coming months and years to come are targeted at our guilty leaders rather than innocent members of the public who did not ask for this. It's past the point of delusional now: the guilty French leadership are still wanting to let in another 30,000. Insanity. The only good news thus far is that Schengen (EU no border controls) is literally in its death throes as we speak.

Let thousands of innocent refugees suffer because of a few idiots? You're lucky you were not born in Syria etc.

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Let thousands of innocent refugees suffer because of a few idiots?

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Allow potentially hundreds of European peoples to die because of your bleeding heart?

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You're lucky you were not born in Syria etc.

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Oh this is so fake.

There are dozens of conflicts going on at any one time in the world with millions of people involved. If we went by your doctrine, if you really meant it, we'd allow them all to come into European nations which means in the end we wouldn't have any European nations left by the sheer numbers involved.

In fairness, we are the ones bombing their homes from the air.

Islamic State are vile, but we have the air force capabilities. I go back to what you continually bang on about; we caused the problems in the Middle East... or do you only use that argument when it suits you?

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In fairness, we are the ones bombing their homes from the air.

Islamic State are vile, but we have the air force capabilities. I go back to what you continually bang on about; we caused the problems in the Middle East... or do you only use that argument when it suits you?

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Are you claiming to me that the western powers since 2003 have caused the likes of Wahhabism and Shia-Sunni sectarianism in Islam?

My position isn't really that hard to understand on foreign policy and the Middle East. Our foreign policy, by removing strongmen such as Assad - who I recall you(?) and others arguing with me two years ago telling me we should bomb him whilst I said we should not to much hatred and abuse directed at me - has created a vacancy whereby worse people have taken over. That however is not the same as claiming that Islam and the Middle East would be just fine if we left them alone and that strains like Wahhabist Islam would not exist because they would and they existed long before George W Bush and Anthony Blair.

Our foreign policy has been stupid and strains of Islam have been a brewing problem in the region for over a century. Comprehend me?

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Allow potentially hundreds of European peoples to die because of your bleeding heart?



Oh this is so fake.

There are dozens of conflicts going on at any one time in the world with millions of people involved. If we went by your doctrine, if you really meant it, we'd allow them all to come into European nations which means in the end we wouldn't have any European nations left by the sheer numbers involved.

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Wow. Yet you forget we created those situations yet when the plan goes to shit, we don't want to take responsibility. Thank God the majority of our country sympathises with refugees.

You are assuming these extremists would be violent if we didn't attack them. We do not know what would have happened if we had just left them the hell alone instead of sticking out nose everywhere. We murder tens of thousands of innocent people and you call them casualty of a war. But you forget WE STARTED THAT WAR ON FALSE INTELLIGENCE. Yet when they attack back, holy crap they are terrorists? We have killed more people by attacking a country on FALSE INTELLIGENCE, hell that means UK and USA together are bigger terrorists. We destroyed lives of thousands of families, left kids homeless, destroyed their schools. Now they have nothing and try and come to us, you wanna just turn them away? And many turn to extreme Islam because that is the only thing they have left once we destroy their home, village, city, FAMILY BECAUSE WE ATTACKED A COUNTRY ON FALSE BLOODY ANALYSIS.

Watch the news. When people in our country lose a relative to murder, they say "I want the person who did this dead". I have heard it SO SO MANY TIMES. I bet you anything, if you destroyed this persons home and killed their relative, they would do what most of these "extremists" are doing which is attack and kill the person who did this.

You have NO sense of perspective, you have tunnel vision. And quite frankly it is SO DAMN SELFISH because its like PROTECT ME ME ME but screw the families we destroyed.

Western country: 129 people die. News for weeks
Middle East: Hundreds of people die weekly because of IS attacks or we bomb them and it barely makes the news.

I guess what we are worth is determined by which country we live in and which country's passport we hold. Ridiculous.

We. Owe. Them.

@snr; I owe nobody jack. And I certainly don't have such a warped sense of guilt that I am willing to risk another 130 French, or indeed British, people being shot dead. Nor am I insane enough to want to hand vast swathes of my country over to people with a highly different and in my eyes as a gay guy - culture with distasteful attitudes/views. I'm not prepared to be spat at in the street or shot dead on a night out to satisfy your sado-masochistic feelings.

If you feel you owe them, then by all means...

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/jim-hod...b_8085508.html I demand you put your money where your mouth is instead of lecturing us all.

And as for Islamic extremism being the sole fault of the west since 2003, honestly why don't you pick up a history book and use some logic for once...

Those who think Islamic State barbarity is a response to Western foreign policy might like to speak to the Yazidi women who are still alive

— Andrew Neil (@afneil) November 15, 2015

Those damn Yazidis using their jet planes to bomb the muslims eh. And those damn Jews. And those damn Christians. And those damn gays. And Shias. :rolleyes:

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@snr; I owe nobody jack. And I certainly don't have such a warped sense of guilt that I am willing to risk another 130 French, or indeed British, people being shot dead. Nor am I insane enough to want to hand vast swathes of my country over to people with a highly different and in my eyes as a gay guy - culture with distasteful attitudes/views. I'm not prepared to be spat at in the street or shot dead on a night out to satisfy your sado-masochistic feelings.

If you feel you owe them, then by all means...

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/jim-hod...b_8085508.html I demand you put your money where your mouth is instead of lecturing us all.

And as for Islamic extremism being the sole fault of the west since 2003, honestly why don't you pick up a history book and use some logic for once...

Those who think Islamic State barbarity is a response to Western foreign policy might like to speak to the Yazidi women who are still alive

— Andrew Neil (@afneil) November 15, 2015

Those damn Yazidis using their jet planes to bomb the muslims eh. And those damn Jews. And those damn Christians. And those damn gays. And Shias. :rolleyes:

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FYI I am going abroad for over three months to volunteer where I will have no electricity and internet so yes I am putting "my money where my mouth is". I actually like helping others, I do not discriminate against people based on their skin colour, religion or which country's passport they hold. To me, a human is a human and should be treated in the same manner we expect others to treat us. I never stand for discrimination.

Funny, how you do not want to let in refugees who have different views to ours, how you are not willing to risk British deaths, refusing to hand over our land to others, yet I do not see you posting daily about the attacks we launch(ed) on Iraq etc due to us having a different view to them, how we kill innocent people daily yet do not want others to kill us, how we took over Iraqi land to help our pockets but do not wish to use our land to help others.

Talk about selfishness. Like I said, thank God majority of this country has some sense and disagrees with you. Quite frankly if majority of people in UK had the same views as you then I would no longer want to live in this country.

You walk out to university, to the shop etc - you may sometimes have a slight fear of a terrorist attack but in general in everyday life it is at the back of your/most peoples mind. Most people in this country leave their houses without thinking "will I return?!". People in Iraq which we destroyed leave their home wondering if they will even reach their destination. Imagine if that was the situation here. Why? Because some lunatic country disagreed with us and wanted to steal our resources. Oh wait, you are against that but not so strongly against it when we did the same. And even if you were against it, you do not want our country to be responsible for the shit we put them in?

Pakistan has Muslims. India has millions of Muslims. I do not see their Muslims blowing up other countries because of rubbish you keep quoting. Why do they in middle east? Because we blew their homes up to fuck and created deep rooted hatred for ourselves. You hate these Muslims so much? Funny, they have not done much to you personally and you hate them so much. So imagine how much more they must hate us after we killed their brothers, sisters, mothers, fathers, children, destroyed their homes and lives. We created these terrorists by blowing up everything that mattered to them. We disrupted their way of life. This is why ISIS has been able to recruit so fast, by appealing to those who were grieving and wanted revenge. People who refuse to join them risk death. Yet you want to turn these innocent people away and face death by ISIS for refusing to blow up our western countries? So to summarise, these people refuse to bomb us, in turn they face death by ISIS members, and you still want to turn them away, thus guaranteeing their murder. Man, talk about selfishness.

Unless you have traveled to these countries, you have not seen poverty with your very own eyes, you will not seen the struggle of these people. This is why you lack empathy. I feel sorry for you Dan. I really do.

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FYI I am going abroad for over three months to volunteer where I will have no electricity and internet so yes I am putting "my money where my mouth is". I actually like helping others, I do not discriminate against people based on their skin colour, religion or which country's passport they hold. To me, a human is a human and should be treated in the same manner we expect others to treat us. I never stand for discrimination.

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Excellent! Now each to their own but don't force everyone else in the country to agree with you, as the majority do not.

On refusing entry to refugees from Syria wishing to enter the UK:
Support: 55%
Oppose: 29%
(via ComRes / 17 Nov)

— Britain Elects (@BritainElects) November 18, 2015

On closing borders between all European countries:
Support: 79%
Oppose: 14%
(via ComRes / 17 Nov)

— Britain Elects (@BritainElects) November 18, 2015

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Funny, how you do not want to let in refugees who have different views to ours, how you are not willing to risk British deaths, refusing to hand over our land to others, yet I do not see you posting daily about the attacks we launch(ed) on Iraq etc due to us having a different view to them, how we kill innocent people daily yet do not want others to kill us, how we took over Iraqi land to help our pockets but do not wish to use our land to help others.

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I posted numerous threads about Syria and Libya when our politicians wanted to go in and argued against half the forum who were saying exactly the same as you are to me now, asking how I could not go and help those poor defenceless people against the nasty Assad. I warned what would happen and it happened and the same for Libya. I tend to use my head rather than feelings in these matters, which is why I will not allow any feelings to endanger the British people in a reckless act of opening the borders to very damaged people.

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Talk about selfishness. Like I said, thank God majority of this country has some sense and disagrees with you. Quite frankly if majority of people in UK had the same views as you then I would no longer want to live in this country.

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But the majority do agree with me. Check the recent polling above.

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You walk out to university, to the shop etc - you may sometimes have a slight fear of a terrorist attack but in general in everyday life it is at the back of your/most peoples mind. Most people in this country leave their houses without thinking "will I return?!". People in Iraq which we destroyed leave their home wondering if they will even reach their destination. Imagine if that was the situation here. Why? Because some lunatic country disagreed with us and wanted to steal our resources. Oh wait, you are against that but not so strongly against it when we did the same. And even if you were against it, you do not want our country to be responsible for the shit we put them in?

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You talk about responsibility yet did you not vote Labour or Conservative at the last General Election, two political parties which are in complete agreement on foreign policy and who both supported the Iraq, Libya and attempted Syria interventions? Double standards, at least I did not.

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Pakistan has Muslims. India has millions of Muslims. I do not see their Muslims blowing up other countries because of rubbish you keep quoting. Why do they in middle east? Because we blew their homes up to **** and created deep rooted hatred for ourselves. You hate these Muslims so much? Funny, they have not done much to you personally and you hate them so much. So imagine how much more they must hate us after we killed their brothers, sisters, mothers, fathers, children, destroyed their homes and lives. We created these terrorists by blowing up everything that mattered to them. We disrupted their way of life. This is why ISIS has been able to recruit so fast, by appealing to those who were grieving and wanted revenge. People who refuse to join them risk death. Yet you want to turn these innocent people away and face death by ISIS for refusing to blow up our western countries? So to summarise, these people refuse to bomb us, in turn they face death by ISIS members, and you still want to turn them away, thus guaranteeing their murder. Man, talk about selfishness.

Unless you have traveled to these countries, you have not seen poverty with your very own eyes, you will not seen the struggle of these people. This is why you lack empathy. I feel sorry for you Dan. I really do.

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Then you're obviously very ignorant of what is going on inside the Pakistani security services where support for terrorism is rife, you're obviously blind to what is going on in the Swat Valley and on the border with Afghanistan where the central government has basically given way to jihadists and you're obviously very blind to the hotbed of radicalism that the Middle East is and the sectarian war that is taking place between Shia and Sunni.

I am selfish though, you're right: selfish on a personal level and for my country. I and we as a nation should come first and foremost.

My security and life as well as my countrymen before anybody else. You're damn right.

FYI

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AP has profiled Hasna Aitboulahcen, the woman believed to have blown herself up during the raid that also killed the suspected Paris attacks ringleader Abdelhamid Abaaoud.

She is said to have lived a secular life, drinking alcohol and rarely visiting a mosque.

The Daily Mail quoted her brother Youssef as saying she she had had no interest in religion, never read the Koran and had only started wearing a Muslim veil a month ago.

The 26-year-old daughter of a Moroccan immigrant had been under police surveillance because her name came up in a drug-trafficking case, AP quoted an unnamed police union official as saying.

The authorities had tapped her phone at the time of the raid, AP reported.

Neighbours near her mother's home in the suburb of Aulnay-sous-Bois told the BBC she endured a difficult childhood and spent time in foster care.

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You speak as though the radicals are always devout people, they're not. Saudi Arabia and the Gulf states which enforce the strictest Islamic codes and preach the strongest Islamic terms are all known to be hypocrites in their personal lives, with gay sex parties/yacht parties with booze and a lot of women and debauchery going on. Most of them are complete hypocrites when it comes to they themselves.