Gene Therapy

I don't know if this best fits here but I'm putting it here anyway

So we were talking about gene therapy in biology today and we ended up discussing rather we should cure be
manipulating genes to stop people suffering for nasty diseases that can kill people. most people agreed that we
if we can stop people suffering and keep them alive then we should. but I'm not really keen on the idea of
messing with genes its like we are basically messing with nature. maybe If i one of these disease then i might
think differently. someone mentioned (one whos amazingly smart) about using it to cure autism got to disagree with that its as if your saying there is a problem with it.

now I'm no scientists so I don't fully understand how it all works just wonder what others thought about it.

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Are you saying there isn't a problem with autism? Because I would very much disagree with that lmao.
I am all for the concept.

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Originally Posted by dbgtz

Are you saying there isn't a problem with autism? Because I would very much disagree with that lmao.
I am all for the concept.

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did you really tell someone with autism these a problem with it?

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Originally Posted by RuthOnToast

did you really tell someone with autism these a problem with it?

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No? I just know people with it and it's definitely not a (net) positive thing to have.

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Originally Posted by dbgtz

No? I just know people with it and it's definitely not a (net) positive thing to have.

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Well depends how you look at it as I wouldn't change my autism for anything and yes of course it has its downside but not bad
why would someone say its a negative thing? that's pretty much bullying

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Originally Posted by RuthOnToast

Well depends how you look at it as I wouldn't change my autism for anything and yes of course it has its downside but not bad
why would someone say its a negative thing? that's pretty much bullying

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Lmao it's not even close to bullying. I look at it as something which needlessly limits people much more than otherwise, at least from what I've seen. Sure, they might become really creative or intelligent to some degree because of it (not sure if there's an actual proven link or not), but when you can't do the simple things then I have to question if it's worth it.

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Lmao it's not even close to bullying. I look at it as something which needlessly limits people much more than otherwise, at least from what I've seen. Sure, they might become really creative or intelligent to some degree because of it (not sure if there's an actual proven link or not), but when you can't do the simple things then I have to question if it's worth it.

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think its known some people with autism can be pretty intelligent but maybe your limiting your knowledge. I'm autistic how is that to say I cant be successful and do stuff? with the right support we can do stuff it may be harder but its still pretty much
possible. remember autism is very wide some of us are pretty capable with high functioning autism but there are others who are
well not so capeable.

Noting that having a disorder isn't a positive is simply an observation, not bullying. Saying that you're a lesser person for it would be bullying, but I don't think anyone's suggesting that

But yeah I'm for gene therapy if it can help people whether as individuals or humanity as a whole. We mess with nature plenty in everything we do pretty much - we're a tool using species and medical science is one of our greatest tools

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think its known some people with autism can be pretty intelligent but maybe your limiting your knowledge. I'm autistic how is that to say I cant be successful and do stuff? with the right support we can do stuff it may be harder but its still pretty much
possible. remember autism is very wide some of us are pretty capable with high functioning autism but there are others who are
well not so capeable.

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I never said autistic people can't be intelligent, what I'm referring to is the "super" intelligent people with autism but struggle with the simplest of tasks. I also never claimed those with autism couldn't be successful; you're putting words in my mouth. And your success with the right support, what kind of support are you talking about here exactly?

I'm for gene therapy. It's actually the only thing that would personally give me hope at maybe someday having my own child. I would feel absolutely terrible about myself and would for the rest of my life knowing that I passed down the genes that you can only inherit from your maternal side like with some of the diseases I have..

I'd be so scared without it because with a lot of the diseases that I have my child could die as an infant or have major physical problems later on in life like I do now.

So yes, i'm for gene therapy and genetic testing.

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I'm for gene therapy. It's actually the only thing that would personally give me hope at maybe someday having my own child. I would feel absolutely terrible about myself and would for the rest of my life knowing that I passed down the genes that you can only inherit from your maternal side like with some of the diseases I have..

I'd be so scared without it because with a lot of the diseases that I have my child could die as an infant or have major physical problems later on in life like I do now.

So yes, i'm for gene therapy and genetic testing.

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Think that bit is illegal im sure they said they can't change the genes in the sex cells and make the perfect child.

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I never said autistic people can't be intelligent, what I'm referring to is the "super" intelligent people with autism but struggle with the simplest of tasks. I also never claimed those with autism couldn't be successful; you're putting words in my mouth. And your success with the right support, what kind of support are you talking about here exactly?

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Any support....suppose it depends how autism affects the person as we are all very very different

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Originally Posted by RuthOnToast

Any support....suppose it depends how autism affects the person as we are all very very different

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So instead of simply being treated, others should have to help you?

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So instead of simply being treated, others should have to help you?

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You know a treatment then go on show it. We don't have a magic wand to cure it and why should we? It's not some illness or something. Saying we shouldn't get help? Are we classed as not worthy of help?

I am extremely pro genetic testing if there are regulations applied properly that keep it relatively safe. Autism is obviously a grey area as has been highlighted, but I'm sure nobody could really disagree that there are no upsides to some awful genetic diseases like cystic fibrosis

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Originally Posted by RuthOnToast

It's not some illness or something.

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It's a disorder, it's literally in the name. No-one's arguing that people should be eradicated or forced into any sort of "treatment" for not being 100% neurotypical but let's call things what they are

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You know a treatment then go on show it. We don't have a magic wand to cure it and why should we? It's not some illness or something. Saying we shouldn't get help? Are we classed as not worthy of help?

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Isn't the whole thread about a potential/hypothetical treatment? Lmao. It's not an illness, no, it's a mental condition and I'm not saying you shouldn't get help, but you're not inherently entitled to it. Why should anyone help you at the end of the day? They don't owe it to you by any means so if you can argue why you should get extra assistance whilst also denying a potential "cure", then by all means argue your case.

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Isn't the whole thread about a potential/hypothetical treatment? Lmao. It's not an illness, no, it's a mental condition and I'm not saying you shouldn't get help, but you're not inherently entitled to it. Why should anyone help you at the end of the day? They don't owe it to you by any means so if you can argue why you should get extra assistance whilst also denying a potential "cure", then by all means argue your case.

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I don't see the need to agru with someon like you ive generally not met anyone with such arrogance. Just small simple things can help someone with autism

Remember you cant see autism so you don't know who has it and who doesn't but we can not help it its not our fault so why should we be put down for something thats not out fault?

does gene therapy mean somehow manipulating already existing genes to make them 'better' or choosing to not have children/abort ones that have problems? either way, yes id choose to abort/change genes for unborn children if i could. i carry a very life limiting disorder and i have the ability to test any of my unborn children for it and would choose to abort them if they had the disorder, it would be nicer on the child who doesn't deserve to be born with it.

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I don't see the need to agru with someon like you ive generally not met anyone with such arrogance. Just small simple things can help someone with autism

Remember you cant see autism so you don't know who has it and who doesn't but we can not help it its not our fault so why should we be put down for something thats not out fault?

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I don't understand why you're getting so upset - are you sure you're reading what he's saying or are you just reading what you want him to say? Like, I can see if he was saying the stuff you're accusing him of saying then obviously that would be unacceptable and fuck him but he's actually not saying any of that.

What does not being able to see autism immediately in someone have anything to do with his posts at all? I'm also 100% sure he has not even implied that people with autism should be 'put down' as you say.

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I don't understand why you're getting so upset - are you sure you're reading what he's saying or are you just reading what you want him to say? Like, I can see if he was saying the stuff you're accusing him of saying then obviously that would be unacceptable and **** him but he's actually not saying any of that.

What does not being able to see autism immediately in someone have anything to do with his posts at all? I'm also 100% sure he has not even implied that people with autism should be 'put down' as you say.

:S

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Maybe we are inperating what hes saying differently

I think everyone else is interpreting it the same way.

I agree with gene therapy many of the diseases that people get at birth are VERY painful and VERY difficult to live with. Why should we as loving people, allow other people to suffer when we know how to help them?

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Think that bit is illegal im sure they said they can't change the genes in the sex cells and make the perfect child.

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Any support....suppose it depends how autism affects the person as we are all very very different

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It's called genetic engineering.. It's legal hun unless it's only in certain situations.. But it is legal for different situations.

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Originally Posted by RuthOnToast

You know a treatment then go on show it. We don't have a magic wand to cure it and why should we? It's not some illness or something. Saying we shouldn't get help? Are we classed as not worthy of help?

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Actually. It is. It's a very. Very. Complex neurodevelopment disorder. Not a mental illness. Autism is a very complicated disease. Also, I would like to ask, why wouldn't you want to cure ASD? You obviously have seen some people that struggle every day with the same disease you have. I mean. Maybe it's just a different mindset between you and I, I have a mitochondrial disease where my mitochondrial are severely affected. It affects almost everything. Life span, muscles, organs, etc., very debilitating disorder. I've seen some people struggle with it, including myself, kids die at 6, 1 month, 4 years, I am grateful that I don't have it AS bad as some people, but I would still LOVE to cure it. That's become my life goal. Autism too should be cured. Don't tell me if there was suddenly a cure they made, you wouldn't take it?

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Actually. It is. It's a very. Very. Complex neurodevelopment disorder. Not a mental illness. Autism is a very complicated disease. Also, I would like to ask, why wouldn't you want to cure ASD? You obviously have seen some people that struggle every day with the same disease you have. I mean. Maybe it's just a different mindset between you and I, I have a mitochondrial disease where my mitochondrial are severely affected. It affects almost everything. Life span, muscles, organs, etc., very debilitating disorder. I've seen some people struggle with it, including myself, kids die at 6, 1 month, 4 years, I am grateful that I don't have it AS bad as some people, but I would still LOVE to cure it. That's become my life goal. Autism too should be cured. Don't tell me if there was suddenly a cure they made, you wouldn't take it?

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I find autism a wonderful and interesting thing and no if i could I would not cure MY autism because its a massive part of me and my personality and i wouldn't want to change who i am. But maybe have a cure for those who are affected more

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It's called genetic engineering.. It's legal hun unless it's only in certain situations.. But it is legal for different situations.

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No honestly its only a legal to a certain point. You can't do it to the sex cells something to do with yano them things called morals

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I find autism a wonderful and interesting thing and no if i could I would not cure MY autism because its a massive part of me and my personality and i wouldn't want to change who i am. But maybe have a cure for those who are affected more

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No honestly its only a legal to a certain point. You can't do it to the sex cells something to do with yano them things called morals

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You find autism a wonderful thing? Would you like to elaborate on this?

and yes... That is what I just said. As to a certain situation, it is legal

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Originally Posted by _HeyyItsHannah_

You find autism a wonderful thing? Would you like to elaborate on this?

and yes... That is what I just said. As to a certain situation, it is legal

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whats not interesting about it? why is autism a bad thing? why would I want to cure my autism? why so many questions?

and yes in many countries germline gene therapy (modfided egg or spem cells) is illegal

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whats not interesting about it? why is autism a bad thing? why would I want to cure my autism? why so many questions?

and yes in many countries germline gene therapy (modfided egg or spem cells) is illegal

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It's like saying cystic fibrosis isn't a bad thing. Yeah, some people aren't affected by it as bad, but the people that are, you watch them struggle. And struggle. So yes, in my mind, autism is a bad thing and I would love for one day to cure it.

If you don't want to cure a disease that you have, then fine. That's your call. You honestly don't have to. But. I think it's kind of selfish and egotistical that you don't want to cure it or think it's a good thing for all the people that struggle with daily activities. To the people who are in their mid 20's but have the MINDSET of a 3 year old. To the people that some DNA sequence or some chemical in their brain got messed up and they have to LIVE with the thought that they are SO MUCH different from others. That they STRUGGLE so much more in school than others, they're placed in a special education program. And god bless them I know it's a fight every day.

Autism is a bad thing. Why is it a bad thing? Because it keeps people from living a normal life. Because it alters how the brain works. It affects the sizes of the cerebullum, hippocampus, neurons in the brain, ventricles, SO MANY MORE THINGS. It affects a lot of things in a child or adults life. Some have worse cases, some don't. Either way, it's affecting them. I'm not saying that people with autism are stupid. I'm not saying they're worthless, i'm saying, they're affected by this in a bad way. Any disease is a bad thing because it ALTERS the way you live. I've known so many people that have hurt themselves, or killed themselves because they are "different" from others. In my mind, autism is an awful. AWFUL. thing, that is affected on wonderful people. Why not give the kids with autism, the life they might deserve. Whether that is by gene therapy, if it HELPS, then yes.

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It's like saying cystic fibrosis isn't a bad thing. Yeah, some people aren't affected by it as bad, but the people that are, you watch them struggle. And struggle. So yes, in my mind, autism is a bad thing and I would love for one day to cure it.

If you don't want to cure a disease that you have, then fine. That's your call. You honestly don't have to. But. I think it's kind of selfish and egotistical that you don't want to cure it or think it's a good thing for all the people that struggle with daily activities. To the people who are in their mid 20's but have the MINDSET of a 3 year old. To the people that some DNA sequence or some chemical in their brain got messed up and they have to LIVE with the thought that they are SO MUCH different from others. That they STRUGGLE so much more in school than others, they're placed in a special education program. And god bless them I know it's a fight every day.

Autism is a bad thing. Why is it a bad thing? Because it keeps people from living a normal life. Because it alters how the brain works. It affects the sizes of the cerebullum, hippocampus, neurons in the brain, ventricles, SO MANY MORE THINGS. It affects a lot of things in a child or adults life. Some have worse cases, some don't. Either way, it's affecting them. I'm not saying that people with autism are stupid. I'm not saying they're worthless, i'm saying, they're affected by this in a bad way. Any disease is a bad thing because it ALTERS the way you live. I've known so many people that have hurt themselves, or killed themselves because they are "different" from others. In my mind, autism is an awful. AWFUL. thing, that is affected on wonderful people. Why not give the kids with autism, the life they might deserve. Whether that is by gene therapy, if it HELPS, then yes.

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How dare you really saying I this awful awful thing like anything in live its how you look at it to me your not a very positive
person having autism does not mean you cant live a normal life? your just different In your own intresting way

no that's pretty insulting there what you said

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How dare you really saying I this awful awful thing like anything in live its how you look at it to me your not a very positive
person having autism does not mean you cant live a normal life? your just different In your own intresting way

no that's pretty insulting there what you said

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I feel like you're taking what's being said in this thread far too personally.
I do have a question for you though. Do you think an autistic person who is of adult age, who cannot leave the side of his mum, dad or sister, is really going to be able to live a normal life?

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I feel like you're taking what's being said in this thread far too personally.
I do have a question for you though. Do you think an autistic person who is of adult age, who cannot leave the side of his mum, dad or sister, is really going to be able to live a normal life?

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Tom has anything I said been insulting to her in any way possible...? LOL..

It's not offensive to call a disease a disease

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my autism has always been clear despite not getting diganoised at 13 and it effects me everyday In many different ways which
is why its a big part of who I am? now would I want to change who I am? no I don't might be some bits I hate but no way
would I want to change who I am

and why is pointing out your succsues in education gotta do with it? nothing but has been said autism does link to a higher IQ
I was always getting kicked out of school (the head teachter didn't like me hitting him) I left school with nothing but I tbh I gave
in with school 4 years later I'm going to uni? to do what? well to start with a foundation course in maths and engeeging then on
to aircraft engeering? you know why? cos this autism gives me obssions that happens to be planes


but get my point here I woudnt want to cure my autism as its just a big part of me it may make things a little harder but I'm a
willing and hard working person and I just couldn't imange life not being autsic (also how would I skip queues in theme parks? ey
autism has its perks just gotta look on the bright side of life)

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It's not offensive to call a disease a disease

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do I let that past or not... no I cant none said that we are mainly talking about autism not a disease

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my autism has always been clear despite not getting diganoised at 13 and it effects me everyday In many different ways which
is why its a big part of who I am? now would I want to change who I am? no I don't might be some bits I hate but no way
would I want to change who I am

and why is pointing out your succsues in education gotta do with it? nothing but has been said autism does link to a higher IQ
I was always getting kicked out of school (the head teachter didn't like me hitting him) I left school with nothing but I tbh I gave
in with school 4 years later I'm going to uni? to do what? well to start with a foundation course in maths and engeeging then on
to aircraft engeering? you know why? cos this autism gives me obssions that happens to be planes


but get my point here I woudnt want to cure my autism as its just a big part of me it may make things a little harder but I'm a
willing and hard working person and I just couldn't imange life not being autsic (also how would I skip queues in theme parks? ey
autism has its perks just gotta look on the bright side of life)

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do I let that past or not... no I cant none said that we are mainly talking about autism not a disease

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Honestly, I don't understand you. Why the hell wouldn't you want to cure it????? You don't have to take the ******* pill skip as many theme park rides as you want.

Let me ask you this.....

If there was a chance that your baby was going to have autism, say it affected it the same way it affected you, and there was a way to fix it, would you?

I'm pointing out my educational successes to say that I'm in the same boat as you. I'm studying, i'm doing this and that, and mine affects myself a lot less than it affects you, but I still want to cure it.

Why are you taking everything as aimed towards you specifically? The point of this thread to begin with was to discuss gene therapy and peoples owns opinions, so if you aren't prepared to listen to peoples opinions then perhaps you aren't ready to be making threads.

Also, you're not the only one in the world with autism. There's probably millions of people out there suffering from the disease/disorder (and i'd bet a lot that the large majority would prefer not to suffer from it), so what the people in this thread are saying isnt aimed towards you its all general.

you realllyyy need to take a step back and chill out :rolleyes::dance:

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Why are you taking everything as aimed towards you specifically? The point of this thread to begin with was to discuss gene therapy and peoples owns opinions, so if you aren't prepared to listen to peoples opinions then perhaps you aren't ready to be making threads.

Also, you're not the only one in the world with autism. There's probably millions of people out there suffering from the disease/disorder (and i bet the large majority would prefer not to suffer from it), so what the people in this thread are saying isnt aimed towards you its all general.

you realllyyy need to take a step back and chill out :rolleyes::dance:

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THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I'M SAYING THANK YOU CERYS. Autism is the third most common neurodevelopmental disease out there and it affects 1 out of 110 kids in the U.S. What i'm saying is, what the ****??? People all over the world are badly affected by this and prefer not to suffer from it and then boom you're over here all egotistical like no we must not cure autism!!! I'm the only one that should have an opinion! Don't take the pill then!!! Or whatever treatment they make. Just let these god **** kids live a normal life. Not get made fun of for once. Not be different. Let them live a better life. Would you not want that for your child?

Ruth this is getting painful to watch.

Nobody in here is wanting to insult you. No one in here is making personal remarks about you. Everyone else is capable of looking at autism objectively and then decide on their opinion after considering it as a wider issue.

Why do you keep quoting people saying "this isn't personal to you but..." and you reply with (paraphrasing obv) "wow that is so personal. I am so insulted"

How are people supposed to have a genuine discussion about autism as a whole (not RuthOnToast's autism, but autism as a general term) when you're jumping in every two seconds reading insults that are not there into people's posts? More importantly, why make a thread asking people about it and then have a temper tantrum when they share what they think?

If you think we're wrong about autism, tell us objectively why. Not another "how dare you say that", not another "well personally...", take a more objective approach.

Your current argument of "well autism is fine because it's fine for me" is roughly the same as someone saying "well I had malaria and I didn't die so it's just a big fuss about nothing". No. It means you're lucky you're a high functioning autistic - many people aren't blessed with such luck. Now, what do you think about this thread in relation to them? (Just to be doubly clear, I said in relation to them. Not. To. Yourself.)

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do I let that past or not... no I cant none said that we are mainly talking about autism not a disease

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A disease is a particular abnormal condition, a disorder of a structure or function, that affects part or all of an organism.

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A disease is a particular abnormal condition, a disorder of a structure or function, that affects part or all of an organism.

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Tom she's saying that no one is talking about autism not being a disease. She knows it is. Or she does now after I explained it.

Just a miscommunication it's ok x

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Tom she's saying that no one is talking about autism not being a disease. She knows it is. Or she does now after I explained it.

Just a miscommunication it's ok x

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Are you actually saying its a disease wtf?
Never seen anyone say that before.
Tbh i get defenceive even if someone calls it a disability its just a personal thing i don't like to refer myself as having a disability think just a way i cope with matters

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