Britain's New Prime Minister

Britain's New Prime Minister

- Conservative Party will announce the victor between Boris Johnson and Jeremy Hunt this Tuesday
- PM Theresa May will hold her last PMQs in the House of Commons on Wednesday then drive to the Palace to resign
- Queen Elizabeth II will summon the victor to Buckingham Palace for the 'kissing of hands' to become PM on Wednesday

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So yes, the moment will finally arrive this week as Britain finds out who its 55th Prime Minister will be, or the 14th of Queen Elizabeth II.

The timing will go roughly like this: sometime Tuesday we'll find out the winner of the Conservative and Unionist Party leadership contest, and that person (Boris or Hunt) will become leader of the governing party. Then, the next day PM Theresa May will leave Downing Street for the last time, attend her final PMQs and then drive to Buckingham Palace to resign to Queen Elizabeth II. Shortly afterwards, the Palace will summon the winner of the leadership contest and invite the winner to form a Ministry. It's expected Cabinet appointments may take place on the Thursday.

So a two tweets of interest I saw recently...

BBC NewsNight did four scenarios, and below is the one I think is most likely.

“We leave October 31st whatever happens�

Helen Thomas from Blonde Money says “whatever he (Boris Johnson) manages to thrash out, he will claim it is a new form of the deal.�#newsnight | @MarketBlondes pic.twitter.com/zZREnxBS43

— BBC Newsnight (@BBCNewsnight) July 19, 2019

Philip Hammond packs his bags. What a satisfying photo. � pic.twitter.com/YdoCKN9SYX

— Chris Rose (@ArchRose90) July 20, 2019

EU countries are secretly reaching out to Boris Johnson in a bid to stop no deal. Irish bigwigs have signalled a willingness to do business in talks with senior Johnson allies. See Sunday Times

— Tim Shipman (@ShippersUnbound) July 20, 2019

BREAKING: David Gauke tonight confirms that he will resign from the cabinet next Wednesday after PMQs because he can’t serve Boris Johnson while he pursues no deal. Tells the Sunday Times he fears it would lead to national “humiliation�

— Tim Shipman (@ShippersUnbound) July 20, 2019

Thoughts?

I'm more interested to see the Cabinet that Boris puts together. Having a condition that they have to support No deal should make for an interesting selection.

*Unless there's a major upset and Hunt wins, in which case, I wouldn't care at all. Theresa in Trousers was a fairly apt nickname, I reckon.

@Inseriousity;

So far I have read...

- IDS for Deputy PM
- Patel for Home Secretary
- Rees-Mogg for Chief Secretary to Treasury
- Davis possibly as Chancellor/Foreign Secretary.


I thnk it'll likely play out as that video describes, but with a few changes. So: Boris becomes PM, gets cosmetic changes to the backstop, Deal still fails to pass, VoNC held which the government ever so narrowly wins only after some retiring Labour MPs like Hoey help it after Grieve and some others leave the party to vote against, Britain leaves 31st October, shortly afterwards a General Election is called as Tories no longer have a working majority for domestic legislation, Boris likely wins a majority as Leave voters especially from the Brexit Party return to voting Tory as a result.


Anyone else want a shot at predicting what'll happen?

Boris wins 66% to Hunt's 33%

Thank you all for the incredible honour you have done me. The time for campaigning is over and the time for work begins to unite our country and party, deliver Brexit and defeat Corbyn. I will work flat out to repay your confidence

— Boris Johnson (@BorisJohnson) July 23, 2019

I wish @BorisJohnson well as Prime Minister with his do or die pledge to deliver Brexit on October 31st. Does he have the courage to deliver?

— Nigel Farage MP (@Nigel_Farage) July 23, 2019

Congratulations to Boris Johnson on becoming the new Prime Minister of the United Kingdom. He will be great!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 23, 2019

Many congratulations to @BorisJohnson on being elected leader of @Conservatives - we now need to work together to deliver a Brexit that works for the whole UK and to keep Jeremy Corbyn out of government. You will have my full support from the back benches.

— Theresa May (@theresa_may) July 23, 2019

Well we now have our version of Trump. Be interesting to see what Brois brings to the UK.

I love how it's not even about keeping Labour out, just Corbyn himself because he's so dangerously shit

It’s the arrogance. It’s the contempt. That’s what gets me. It’s Gordon Brown’s apparent belief that he can just trample on the democratic will of the British people. It’s at moments like this that I think the political world has gone mad, and I am alone in detecting the gigantic fraud. They voted for Anthony Charles Lynton Blair to serve as their leader. They were at no stage invited to vote on whether Gordon Brown should be PM… They voted for Tony, and yet they now get Gordon, and a transition about as democratically proper as the transition from Claudius to Nero. It is a scandal. Why are we all conniving in this stitch-up? This is nothing less than a palace coup… with North Korean servility, the Labour Party has handed power over to the brooding Scottish power-maniac.

Incoming..

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Here's a selection of the best tweets/news from yesterday.

I am loving this Cabinet! Rees-Mogg, Truss, McVey, Raab, Patel, Villers....

Boris Johnson has become the new UK prime minister, after his official appointment by the Queen

Live updates: https://t.co/lGxI5NDDbN pic.twitter.com/3K1JL9quzl

— BBC Politics (@BBCPolitics) July 24, 2019

WATCH | "The people who bet against Britain are going to lose their shirts!"

Punchy, upbeat, and optimistic about our future as an independent nation - Boris vows to deliver Brexit by October 31!

Watch the full speech at https://t.co/UTj2is1rkf pic.twitter.com/HhL9wsi1M2

— Leave.EU (@LeaveEUOfficial) July 24, 2019

Great Offices of State appointments (excl. PM)

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One big appointment coming today - Dominic Cummings expected to be senior advisor to the new PM - Vote Leave chief moving into govt - huge brain and experienced in govt, and will be applauded by Brexiteers - highly controversial too

— Laura Kuenssberg (@bbclaurak) July 24, 2019

So to be clear, there is a Vote Leave takeover of Downing St and the government: former campaign director Cummings as Johnson’s de facto chief executive, Lee Cain as director of Comms, Rob Oxley as press secretary and Oliver Lewis as a Brexit policy adviser. They gave the UK...

— Robert Peston (@Peston) July 24, 2019

Everyone appointed so far by Boris Johnson agrees with his pledge to leave the EU on Oct 31st. Clear he’s not interested in any debate on that matter, as he made clear during campaign.

— Paul Brand (@PaulBrandITV) July 24, 2019

Harold Macmillan's Night of the Long Knives saw seven cabinet ministers sacked... 11 have left the cabinet today

— Alex Wickham (@alexwickham) July 24, 2019

This is officially the biggest clear out of Cabinet without a change of party in power - more than half of them gone - not a reshuffle it’s a new govt

— Laura Kuenssberg (@bbclaurak) July 24, 2019

.@BorisJohnson and Dominic Cummings have organised a comprehensive Vote Leave takeover of government. This is the most ruthless reshaping of an administration I have ever witnessed. It is focussed on the sole aim of delivering Brexit by 31 October. And probably fighting...

— Robert Peston (@Peston) July 24, 2019

How you gonna call it a "best of" selection of tweets without having any that of the ones going mental over Big Liz having a Dyson fan

BREAKING NEWS...
Forget the new prime minister, the Queen has a Dyson cool fan pic.twitter.com/6WAqhuz9lV

— Elliot Wagland (@elliotwagland) July 24, 2019

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How you gonna call it a "best of" selection of tweets without having any that of the ones going mental over Big Liz having a Dyson fan

BREAKING NEWS...
Forget the new prime minister, the Queen has a Dyson cool fan pic.twitter.com/6WAqhuz9lV

— Elliot Wagland (@elliotwagland) July 24, 2019

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Buying British I see :')

car crash cabinet

Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab has told LBC if the EU doesn not agree to scrap the Irish border backstop, the UK will leave the bloc "on World Trade Organisation terms."

— LBC News (@LBCNews) July 29, 2019

Brace, brace! Dominic Cummings told special advisers six times on Friday night that his job is to “deliver Brexit by October 31st by any means necessary�. It’s a favoured phrase of Malcolm X. See Sunday Times

— Tim Shipman (@ShippersUnbound) July 27, 2019

Michael Gove tells the Sunday Times there is “now a very real prospect of no deal� and that Whitehall is being “retooled� to prepare. He will chair daily meetings of officials and give orders to ministers

— Tim Shipman (@ShippersUnbound) July 27, 2019

If Prime Minister Johnson is unable to change the Withdrawal Agreement....

UK should go ahead with Brexit on October 31st even if it means leaving with ‘no deal’ -- 45%

Brexit should be delayed or cancelled altogether -- 41%

Opinium

— Matt Goodwin (@GoodwinMJ) July 27, 2019

Common sense at last.

I personally now that the EU doesn't budge and we just leave with No Deal, our £39bn and full independence on day one.

this isnt common sense, this is a giant farce

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this isnt common sense, this is a giant farce

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So you're saying you would agree to the backstop and sign the Withdrawal Agreement?

no id revoke

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no id revoke

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Meanwhile, back on planet Earth and away from fantasy land, what would you really do? Continuity Remainers are increasingly beginning to resemble those Japanese soldiers who were discovered hiding in the jungle, still fighting a war decades on that was over and done with.

“Underlying all of this is a very simple problem… We were given a vote… & it turned out, of the two options we had, there was only one we were really meant to vote for� – Douglas Murray, adding “the people who lost the vote have to get over these stages of grief�#newsnight pic.twitter.com/6ed3J1dvVs

— BBC Newsnight (@BBCNewsnight) July 29, 2019

“I think remain is over… something fundamental has shifted in the Tory party and in the country� - Camilla Cavendish, former Director of Policy under David Cameron@CamCavendish | #newsnight pic.twitter.com/qL0WlrUBRC

— BBC Newsnight (@BBCNewsnight) July 23, 2019

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Meanwhile, back on planet Earth and away from fantasy land, what would you really do? Continuity Remainers are increasingly beginning to resemble those Japanese soldiers who were discovered hiding in the jungle, still fighting a war decades on that was over and done with.

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yes, im the one in fantasy land

interesting you use ww2 given how much its been romanticised in this process for some reason

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yes, im the one in fantasy land

interesting you use ww2 given how much its been romanticised in this process for some reason

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Interesting you no longer even advocate making us vote again, just outright revocation. Cold feet?

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Interesting you no longer even advocate making us vote again, just outright revocation. Cold feet?

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my position hasnt exactly changed
referendums are trash when theres so much misinformation and shit like this: https://w4b.world/ so id absolutely rather revoke, but the only actual option on the table (at least right now) to revoke is a second vote

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my position hasnt exactly changed
referendums are trash when theres so much misinformation and shit like this: https://w4b.world/ so id absolutely rather revoke, but the only actual option on the table (at least right now) to revoke is a second vote

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So what happens if you then lose the second referendum? And should we ban elections due to misinformation too?

Great idea HMG is weighing up that will be possible immediately upon us exiting the Customs Union with No Deal.

I have long been in support of these free port/low taxation zones, and they should be focused on the areas of the Belfast dockyards, the River Mersey, the Humber, The Clyde and other areas across the country that need to be rebalanced and revived (as they have been in part already).

Britain in the post-EU era needs to re-orientate away from London and the south-east towards Liverpool, Glasgow, Belfast, Manchester, Leeds etc. Not with talk and gimmicks, but with real deregulation, low taxation and radical projects. Like Thatcherism did with Canary Wharf dockyards.

I knew Liz Truss would be an excellent Cabinet addition.

This morning @TrussLiz is in Teesside where she will be visiting @PDports’ Teesport and advocating the creation of Freeports in the 🇬🇧.

The creation of Freeports could add a further 86,000 jobs to the UK economy, according to @CPSThinkTank.

Read more 👉 https://t.co/WvL0eUnoBf pic.twitter.com/yubfhcHESf

— Department for Business and Trade (@biztradegovuk) August 2, 2019

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So what happens if you then lose the second referendum? And should we ban elections due to misinformation too?

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then i keep disagreeing and fighting against it, i dont have to become docile just because a slim majority voted for it after years of lies and gaslighting
a good start for elections would be reform which i believe was "recommended" (i think it was more just a general statement) in an enquiry (cant remember which exactly it was)

fundamentally the information available and published has to be true otherwise how can you say any of this is democratic, and im not talking about predictions like "britain will be better out of the eu" where they could will be lying, but statements like one recently by bojo about kippers

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

Great idea HMG is weighing up that will be possible immediately upon us exiting the Customs Union with No Deal.

I have long been in support of these free port/low taxation zones, and they should be focused on the areas of the Belfast dockyards, the River Mersey, the Humber, The Clyde and other areas across the country that need to be rebalanced and revived (as they have been in part already).

Britain in the post-EU era needs to re-orientate away from London and the south-east towards Liverpool, Glasgow, Belfast, Manchester, Leeds etc. Not with talk and gimmicks, but with real deregulation, low taxation and radical projects. Like Thatcherism did with Canary Wharf dockyards.

I knew Liz Truss would be an excellent Cabinet addition.

This morning @TrussLiz is in Teesside where she will be visiting @PDports’ Teesport and advocating the creation of Freeports in the 🇬🇧.

The creation of Freeports could add a further 86,000 jobs to the UK economy, according to @CPSThinkTank.

Read more 👉 https://t.co/WvL0eUnoBf pic.twitter.com/yubfhcHESf

— Department for Business and Trade (@biztradegovuk) August 2, 2019

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we already had free ports as part of the eu which the government decided to not renew, why do we need to leave the eu to do this? the other areas that have been revived has primarily been down to eu investment rather than our own government - little the recent governments have done have inspired hope in outside london funding

can you explain what deregulation is going to help the north, how low taxation is going to help the north and what radical projects are going to help the north
thanks

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then i keep disagreeing and fighting against it, i dont have to become docile just because a slim majority voted for it after years of lies and gaslighting
a good start for elections would be reform which i believe was "recommended" (i think it was more just a general statement) in an enquiry (cant remember which exactly it was)

fundamentally the information available and published has to be true otherwise how can you say any of this is democratic, and im not talking about predictions like "britain will be better out of the eu" where they could will be lying, but statements like one recently by bojo about kippers

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So basically your position is that no matter how many times Britain votes to leave the EU, you'll never accept it as legitimate?

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we already had free ports as part of the eu which the government decided to not renew, why do we need to leave the eu to do this? the other areas that have been revived has primarily been down to eu investment rather than our own government - little the recent governments have done have inspired hope in outside london funding

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Free ports whilst abiding by EU regulatory and customs regime is a complete waste of time.

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can you explain what deregulation is going to help the north, how low taxation is going to help the north and what radical projects are going to help the north
thanks

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Sure, there's a few.

- Abolish business rates (centrally) in deprived areas and replace initial revenue loss to councils from Whitehall.
- Provide tax breaks/grants for former commercial to residential conversions on high streets to revive the areas.
- Improve inter-connectivity between northern cities and towns with HS2 scrapped and the old Beeching railway lines re-opening.
- Encourage brownfield development in inner-cities with government funds/subsidies for land decontamination.
- Tilt business taxes to encouraging firms/companies to being located in city centres instead of on isolated business parks off motorways.
- Introduce free ports in places such as Liverpool, Hull, Belfast and Aberdeen to become import/export hubs.
- Mandate developers in city centres to begin building a certain % of family-sized apartments in new developments.

Interesting tonight with Dominic Cummings (brain behind Vote Leave and PM's Senior Advisor)....

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Buried in the Fixed Term Parliament Act (FTPA) is this...

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"If a new Government cannot be formed within this time period, then dissolution is triggered. There is no provision for an extension of the 14 day period. Dissolution need not follow immediately on a triggering event, as section 2(7) allows for the Prime Minister to recommend a suitable polling day to the Crown ."

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That would seem to suggest that if the Government is VONC in September, and an alternative ministry cannot be formed which is very likely given many will never put Corbyn as PM and Corbyn will never put anyone else in as PM, then Boris as PM could simply recommend to the monarch that the date of the election take place after the end of October. And as by convention, the monarch always enacts the Prime Minister's advice.

It does seem like Remainers like Sir Oliver Letwin and Dominic Grieve were right last month that the HoC has missed its last chance.

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So basically your position is that no matter how many times Britain votes to leave the EU, you'll never accept it as legitimate?

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accepting something as legitimate is not the same as accepting the result
and fundamentally accepting the result doesnt mean you have to sit back and do nothing

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Free ports whilst abiding by EU regulatory and customs regime is a complete waste of time.

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how? whats the difference?

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Sure, there's a few.

- Abolish business rates (centrally) in deprived areas and replace initial revenue loss to councils from Whitehall.
- Provide tax breaks/grants for former commercial to residential conversions on high streets to revive the areas.
- Improve inter-connectivity between northern cities and towns with HS2 scrapped and the old Beeching railway lines re-opening.
- Encourage brownfield development in inner-cities with government funds/subsidies for land decontamination.
- Tilt business taxes to encouraging firms/companies to being located in city centres instead of on isolated business parks off motorways.
- Introduce free ports in places such as Liverpool, Hull, Belfast and Aberdeen to become import/export hubs.
- Mandate developers in city centres to begin building a certain % of family-sized apartments in new developments.

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interesting suggestions coming from someone who supposedly wants a small state, slight shift from you?

- where does this extra funding come from?
- dont necessarily disagree with this but all i see happening is the developers making more money and the residential still being too expensive
- dont necessarily disagree with this either but theres quite a lot of issues with rail already and this wont help with that, so would need to be balanced
- actually agree with this providing, however bit weird youre suggesting using government spending for this
- "tilting" means nothing
- ok
- sounds like state intervention there

fundamentally though we can do all of this already so why do we need to leave the eu to do it

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accepting something as legitimate is not the same as accepting the result
and fundamentally accepting the result doesnt mean you have to sit back and do nothing

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You know, it really is quite sad how this issue has driven so many to madness. Democracy works on consent, that we debate and then the public decides as it did in 2015 when David Cameron's Conservatives won a majority despite all I had tried to do. But you know what? I didn't conjure up some conspiracy that people were misled and deep down didn't really want him as PM, I accepted it the minute the result came out.

Has it never occurred to you that the reason you lost isn't Russia, newspapers, misinformation - it's because people genuinely want to leave the EU? Generally around the world, people wish to be governed by institutions they feel attachment to. We have none to Europe.

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how? whats the difference?

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Right now we're bound by EU law and customs.

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interesting suggestions coming from someone who supposedly wants a small state, slight shift from you?

- where does this extra funding come from?
- dont necessarily disagree with this but all i see happening is the developers making more money and the residential still being too expensive
- dont necessarily disagree with this either but theres quite a lot of issues with rail already and this wont help with that, so would need to be balanced
- actually agree with this providing, however bit weird youre suggesting using government spending for this
- "tilting" means nothing
- ok
- sounds like state intervention there

fundamentally though we can do all of this already so why do we need to leave the eu to do it

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I don't claim leaving the EU will solve all of our problems. I do think we should take the opportunity of Brexit, something the May Ministry never understood which this Ministry appears to, to be radical with policy. After the 31st October, we will have total legislative control. Exciting.

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You know, it really is quite sad how this issue has driven so many to madness. Democracy works on consent, that we debate and then the public decides as it did in 2015 when David Cameron's Conservatives won a majority despite all I had tried to do. But you know what? I didn't conjure up some conspiracy that people were misled and deep down didn't really want him as PM, I accepted it the minute the result came out.

Has it never occurred to you that the reason you lost isn't Russia, newspapers, misinformation - it's because people genuinely want to leave the EU? Generally around the world, people wish to be governed by institutions they feel attachment to. We have none to Europe.

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when did i mention russia? and there is clear, undeniable lies being told and this is not a conspiracy theory
democracy works on consent, sure, but it also relies on accurate information and if people are being told the eu is responsible for everything bad when its actually our own government, how do you expect them to make an informed decision? listening to some of the arguments people make for brexit and its just so illogical but theyre so entrenched at this point they cant see it - have you actually listened to reasons people voted for brexit?

then theres also the illegal harvesting of individuals data, and yes it was illegal and they knew it given they tried to hide it , watch the great hack if you havent already

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Right now we're bound by EU law and customs.

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what's that got to do with free ports though
completely irrelevant

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I don't claim leaving the EU will solve all of our problems. I do think we should take the opportunity of Brexit, something the May Ministry never understood which this Ministry appears to, to be radical with policy. After the 31st October, we will have total legislative control. Exciting.

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but we could have done this the entire time, this isnt an opportunity of brexit this is an opportunity of the past 50 years that could have been taken up. youre trying to spin it as a positive of brexit but it could have been done without it, you do see that yes?
like you speak of thatcherism helping london, but it was basically thatcherism which killed the north and a lot of people up there (as far as im aware) still resent her for that - this also highlights the point that it was basically our own government causing the decline of these areas to begin with

also i forgot to say this before but nothing you said was really regulation, so is there any particular regulation youre looking forward to binning?

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when did i mention russia? and there is clear, undeniable lies being told and this is not a conspiracy theory
democracy works on consent, sure, but it also relies on accurate information and if people are being told the eu is responsible for everything bad when its actually our own government, how do you expect them to make an informed decision? listening to some of the arguments people make for brexit and its just so illogical but theyre so entrenched at this point they cant see it - have you actually listened to reasons people voted for brexit?

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So you're saying until people agree the EU is a good thing, every vote on it is illegitimate?

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then theres also the illegal harvesting of individuals data, and yes it was illegal and they knew it given they tried to hide it, watch the great hack if you havent already

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I stopped watching InfoWars style conspiracy theory videos like ten years ago.

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what's that got to do with free ports though
completely irrelevant

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Control our own tariffs/customs/regulations and we can make our ports competitive.

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but we could have done this the entire time, this isnt an opportunity of brexit this is an opportunity of the past 50 years that could have been taken up. youre trying to spin it as a positive of brexit but it could have been done without it, you do see that yes?
like you speak of thatcherism helping london, but it was basically thatcherism which killed the north and a lot of people up there (as far as im aware) still resent her for that - this also highlights the point that it was basically our own government causing the decline of these areas to begin with

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Thatcherism didn't kill heavy industries, far-left Unions did.

That's why Germany still has heavy industry and we do not.

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also i forgot to say this before but nothing you said was really regulation, so is there any particular regulation youre looking forward to binning?

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Three areas of policy regulation I am looking forward to in particular to scrapping, yep.

- The Common Fisheries Policy.
- The Common Agricultural Policy.
- Freedom of Movement.

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So you're saying until people agree the EU is a good thing, every vote on it is illegitimate?

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fucking hell you dont half twist crap do you

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I stopped watching InfoWars style conspiracy theory videos like ten years ago.

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what
most of the show is about parliamentary enquiries (and the us equivalent)

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Control our own tariffs/customs/regulations and we can make our ports competitive.

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thats nothing to do with free ports
do you even know what a free port is

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Thatcherism didn't kill heavy industries, far-left Unions did.

That's why Germany still has heavy industry and we do not.

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well it was effectively her widespread privatisation push that put a lot of out of work

are you also just ignoring the fact youre trying to spin a positive of brexit on something that we could have always done or..?

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Three areas of policy regulation I am looking forward to in particular to scrapping, yep.

- The Common Fisheries Policy.
- The Common Agricultural Policy.
- Freedom of Movement.

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and back to before, how will these help the north exactly?

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So you're saying until people agree the EU is a good thing, every vote on it is illegitimate?

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fucking hell you dont half twist crap do you

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I stopped watching InfoWars style conspiracy theory videos like ten years ago.

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what
most of the show is about parliamentary enquiries (and the us equivalent)

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Control our own tariffs/customs/regulations and we can make our ports competitive.

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thats nothing to do with free ports
do you even know what a free port is

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Thatcherism didn't kill heavy industries, far-left Unions did.

That's why Germany still has heavy industry and we do not.

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well it was effectively her widespread privatisation push that put a lot of out of work

are you also just ignoring the fact youre trying to spin a positive of brexit on something that we could have always done or..?

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Three areas of policy regulation I am looking forward to in particular to scrapping, yep.

- The Common Fisheries Policy.
- The Common Agricultural Policy.
- Freedom of Movement.

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and back to before, how will these help the north exactly?

More developments today on the impending VONC that will inevitably come in September.

Finally my side are playing dirty like the Remainers have been since 2016. You started this.

The only hope now for them is by Vote of No Confidence in the government, and replacing it with another government. But where will they get the numbers from for that? Dozens of Labour MPs will never go along with a plan to revoke Article 50, Corbyn will never accept anyone but himself as PM of a caretaker government and many Remainers will never accept Corbyn as PM. In addition, the SNP would want another indy referendum as the price for supporting such a government.

Even if such a government could be cobbled together, the law gives the incumbent PM the power to go for an election instead and Boris is well within the powers of the Prime Minister to schedule a General Election after October 31st. The pressure from Farage's Brexit Party means that in order to survive, the Tory Party *must* only hold an election after 31st October. The walls are closing in and it is shaping the political reality.

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fucking hell you dont half twist crap do you

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Well its true. It doesn't matter how many times the campaign is re-run and Leave wins, you'll still convince yourself that it was all a giant conspiracy between Russia, Rupert Murdoch, Farage, Dominic Cummings and Boris's career ambitions who duped a load of voters, who, had it not been for the 'misinformation' (aka arguments your side didn't have an answer for) would've walked into the polling booths and ticked Remain. It's delusion on an epic scale. I and everyone I knew was going to vote Leave long before the referendum was even called, we were not ambushed by Cambridge Analytica/the KGB or Boris holding up a dried kipper.

The state of the game is essentially this:

- British people are naturally eurosceptic and have little attachment to the European project.
- The Remain campaign was utter shit with unbelievable and unconvincing falsehoods peddled about impending doom.
- From immigration controls to fisheries people wanted to take back control over something they never agreed to give away.

It all boils down to that, and three years on, you haven't got any idea how to even come to terms with it. Sad!

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what
most of the show is about parliamentary enquiries (and the us equivalent)

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Again, you're looking for outside validation instead of looking at why your own arguments lost in 2016.

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thats nothing to do with free ports
do you even know what a free port is

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Yes, something the EU discourages because of competition concerns.

https://www.bbc.com/news/49198825

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well it was effectively her widespread privatisation push that put a lot of out of work

are you also just ignoring the fact youre trying to spin a positive of brexit on something that we could have always done or..?

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Privatisation that had to take place because the Unions had brought industry to its knees.

Look up the Winter of Discontent and the IMF bailout. We were known as the sick man of Europe because Soviet-sympathising lunatics like Arthur Scargill and Derek Hatton in Liverpool seized controls of councils/unions/increasingly the Labour Party calling strike after strike, demanding pay rises resisting modernisation (layoffs). Thatcher was the medicine in the same way I hope Boris is in regards to Brexit.

And the Labour Party is once again in the grip of them.

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and back to before, how will these help the north exactly?

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- Restoring British waters to British fishermen will revive our fishing towns which EU membership decimated.
- Leaving the CAP will allow us to import cheaper food and drink from the Commonwealth instead of supporting French farmers.
- No more Freedom of Movement will mean wages in the north can begin to rise due to a lack of Poles/Bulgarians suppressing wages.

Labour figures been ruling out joining a hypothetical Government of Remainer National Unity.

That means the idea is dead in the water, even if it was ever possible (highly unlikely anyway if you ask me).

It looks like the only power Parliament has left is emergency debates - but motions aren't legally binding. Game over.

"What we don't want is a national unity government that gives Boris some sort of get out of jail free card."

Rebecca Long-Bailey says Labour "wouldn't countenance a national government of unity" to deal with Brexit. pic.twitter.com/AdXtRJkvdk

— Channel 4 News (@Channel4News) August 6, 2019

A report by the Central Bank of Ireland has found that London is likely to remain a very large global financial centre (GFC) even in adverse Brexit scenarios, and the impact of Brexit on London's GFC could be very small due to the "premium" London enjoys.

— LBC News (@LBCNews) August 6, 2019

Boris Johnson's chief strategist Dominic Cummings has warned Remainer MPs attempting to block a no-deal Brexit that they do not get to "choose which votes they respect" https://t.co/PnAoDlGu87 pic.twitter.com/9YlzMZv1pL

— Telegraph Politics (@TelePolitics) August 7, 2019

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Well its true. It doesn't matter how many times the campaign is re-run and Leave wins, you'll still convince yourself that it was all a giant conspiracy between Russia, Rupert Murdoch, Farage, Dominic Cummings and Boris's career ambitions who duped a load of voters, who, had it not been for the 'misinformation' (aka arguments your side didn't have an answer for) would've walked into the polling booths and ticked Remain. It's delusion on an epic scale. I and everyone I knew was going to vote Leave long before the referendum was even called, we were not ambushed by Cambridge Analytica/the KGB or Boris holding up a dried kipper.

The state of the game is essentially this:

- British people are naturally eurosceptic and have little attachment to the European project.
- The Remain campaign was utter shit with unbelievable and unconvincing falsehoods peddled about impending doom.
- From immigration controls to fisheries people wanted to take back control over something they never agreed to give away.

It all boils down to that, and three years on, you haven't got any idea how to even come to terms with it. Sad!

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honestly if thats what you think misinformation is then discussing anything with you is pointless

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even if that were true, how is that relevant to you saying its a conspiracy theory
the evidence is right there that it happened

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Yes, something the EU discourages because of competition concerns.

https://www.bbc.com/news/49198825

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but is something plenty of eu countries do so what is your point
https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_custom..._freezones.pdf

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Privatisation that had to take place because the Unions had brought industry to its knees.

Look up the Winter of Discontent and the IMF bailout. We were known as the sick man of Europe because Soviet-sympathising lunatics like Arthur Scargill and Derek Hatton in Liverpool seized controls of councils/unions/increasingly the Labour Party calling strike after strike, demanding pay rises resisting modernisation (layoffs). Thatcher was the medicine in the same way I hope Boris is in regards to Brexit.

And the Labour Party is once again in the grip of them.

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because the workers were effectively getting a pay cut? not just in state owned companies, but also bled into private contracters who were absolutely raking it in
i dont understand your position, you constantly bang on about how it should be on the employee to get the best deal for them (i.e. no state intervention) and then they try and get the best deal and somehow its all their fault

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- Restoring British waters to British fishermen will revive our fishing towns which EU membership decimated.
- Leaving the CAP will allow us to import cheaper food and drink from the Commonwealth instead of supporting French farmers.
- No more Freedom of Movement will mean wages in the north can begin to rise due to a lack of Poles/Bulgarians suppressing wages.

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-give me an example of a town that was a) killed by the CFP and b) is going to be revived by fish
-this is a stupid assumption. i dont understand why you think commonwealth countries are going to be lining up to give us a good deal, particularly when countries like canada are already holding off so they themselves get a better deal than they already have. this also completely ignores our food exports - cheaper food is useless if people cant afford it in the first place. also worth noting that we already have some of the cheapest food in "the west" as it is
-do you have any evidence wages are being suppressed, or is this just another baseless claim?