naming scammers rule

[the wombats]

A11. Do not name anybody for hacking, scripting, trashing or any other bad things - Because we don't want innocent people being accused of illegal activities, we don't allow accusing others at all. This means it's also NOT allowed to accuse Habbo-X or Habbo Staff of abusing their powers or anything else. Also posting any images of people is NOT proof of them doing anything wrong as it could be an alteration. Even if you do have proof and know its 100% real, it is still not allowed to mention that the person has scammed/hacked etc as this starts arguments.

erm, i think you need to delete the unsafe traders list then? coz yr basically calling them ******* scammers. and in another post rizter says there's a list of known scammers, which is here. why are you breaking yr own rules? i think you rly need to rethink the rules over...... coz yr naming scammers in tht thread. :S

[Nixt]

erm, i think you need to delete the unsafe traders list then? coz yr basically calling them ******* scammers. and in another post rizter says there's a list of known scammers, which is here. why are you breaking yr own rules? i think you rly need to rethink the rules over...... coz yr naming scammers in tht thread. :S

Yeah if you're gonna have an untrusted list you're going to have to either get rid of that rule or edit it in some way...

[LOLROB]

yes that is true

[Nick-]

The rule is accurate as it is true that even if you do have 100% solid proof of a scammer you are not allowed to post it publically, you are to PM the evidence in private to Youheard or MBE who will review it, consult each other on the decision to add a user to the untrusted list and make a final decision.
'Known scammers' was the wrong terminology to use in Ritzer's situation, we are not naming scammers, we are showing you who has been proven to be unstrustworthy with previous trades so that you can pass your own private judgement on whether to trade that user.

[Nixt]

The rule is accurate as it is true that even if you do have 100% solid proof of a scammer you are not allowed to post it publically, you are to PM the evidence in private to Youheard or MBE who will review it, consult each other on the decision to add a user to the untrusted list and make a final decision.
'Known scammers' was the wrong terminology to use in Ritzer's situation, we are not naming scammers, we are showing you who has been proven to be unstrustworthy with previous trades so that you can pass your own private judgement on whether to trade that user.

But you get Infracted if you call a member untrusted? For implying that they scam - so why can you make a thread that says people are untrusted?

[the wombats]

The rule is accurate as it is true that even if you do have 100% solid proof of a scammer you are not allowed to post it publically, you are to PM the evidence in private to Youheard or MBE who will review it, consult each other on the decision to add a user to the untrusted list and make a final decision.
'Known scammers' was the wrong terminology to use in Ritzer's situation, we are not naming scammers, we are showing you who has been proven to be unstrustworthy with previous trades so that you can pass your own private judgement on whether to trade that user.

your still saying they scam by saying they're untrustworthy, and that thread totally breaks the rules. that thread can cause arguements just like making a thread saying "so and so scammed me, here's proof". don't you just love it when habbox **** rules up? also, in trade threads there's always posts like "trusted", "trustworthy" ect. i don't think they should be allowed either, coz it's usually people who've been asked to post it on msn or something.

[Nick-]

But you get Infracted if you call a member untrusted? For implying that they scam - so why can you make a thread that says people are untrusted?

Thats because you accuse them publicly and potentially from an unreliable source for all other users to see which is what that rule tries to prevent.
I assume that this list works in the same way as the Habbo unsafe traders list which started up back when we moderated the Trading section, in order for a user to be added 3 different users must provide solid evidence of 3 different trades in which the user is seen as untrustworthy. Therefore the sources involved become reliable (providing 100% solid proof) as well as numerous (from 3 different users and 3 different trades). Although I'm not familiar with exactly how this list works, you're probably best to ask Youheard or MBE about how it all works

your still saying they scam by saying they're untrustworthy, and that thread totally breaks the rules. that thread can cause arguements just like making a thread saying "so and so scammed me, here's proof". don't you just love it when habbox **** rules up? also, in trade threads there's always posts like "trusted", "trustworthy" ect. i don't think they should be allowed either, coz it's usually people who've been asked to post it on msn or something.

We arent stating anyone scams, we are providing an unbiased and supposedly official view on who is not trustworthy based on previous trades that have been reported to Youheard and MBE with solid proof, as explained above, the information sent to Youheard and MBE has to be definitive proof and has to have been repeated on 3 different trades to be added to the list hence the more sources report a bad trade, the more reliable those sources become.

[the wombats]

you might as well call it "the people who have scammed in the past list" coz that is what the list is. saying who's scammed people.

[Nick-]

you might as well call it "the people who have scammed in the past list" coz that is what the list is. saying who's scammed people.

Essentially, yes, that is what it is but it would be wrong to call it that as it is not our job to pass any judgement on what trades other users commit to, we can provide recommendations though based on previous experiences.

[today]

Essentially, yes, that is what it is but it would be wrong to call it that as it is not our job to pass any judgement on what trades other users commit to, we can provide recommendations though based on previous experiences.

Every user knows that list is "the scammers list" you might not say its called that but its known as that, and it always is. :rolleyes:

The rule should be edited really, either to something like "You may only cliam someone is a scammer if they are making a trade with another user in the TRADE forums only, anywhere else is not acceptable and thus calling the user(s) scammers. It is down to the trader which could trade the scammer to accept your post and not trade with the scammer or not. D onot hassle anyone which has been called a scammer by anyone."