Private Military Companies

[EwfrGomulee]

Hello,

I'd like to talk about Private Military Companies or Mercenarys as most people like to call them and the people working for them.

I hear that the UK and America want to pull a lot of troops out of the Middle east in the hope that there will be less people with guns there to scare the population.

If the UK and America DO leave the Middle east it will be up to Private Military Companies to pretty much take over.
Not take over take over but to then become the occupying force.
Mercenarys get a standard pay of about $/£60.000 per annum... and that's grunt, lowest of the low pay.

These people are highly trained and extremely efficiant.
But allowing them to gain a foothold in places like the Middle east will start to lead to conflicts between them and the Citizens of which ever country they are in.

They get into trouble with British and US troops, they are constantly outnumbered when they come under fire and usually use too much force to drive away their enemys.

Although I know a few Mercs' I do not think we should leave countrys open for them to just walk in and become the occupying force.

YES there will be a Government they will have to answer to but if they wanted they could pretty much run the place.

If you get something asking you if you think we should leave the Middle East... say NO!, we should stay and honour our committment.

[Mandez]

no thats just wrong, we need to pull out.

i take it you dont give a crap about our soldiers dying there?
who cares what happens to the middle-east its not our problem.
just the safety of our soldiers, we need to get them out of there.

[EwfrGomulee]

Our Soldiers signed up to the Army willingly, when they did so they told the Army, AirForce, Navy ect; that they would fight for Queen and Country and do as told by the British ruling Government.

You do NOT sign up to become a Soldier just because you want to fire a weapon for free on a firing range.

I care very much for our troops out in combat zones and I ALWAYS! stand and salute the fallen and even go as far as to have a minutes silence.
I find it extremely insulting to be told I do not care for our Soldiers, I have the utmost respect for Soldiers and will show my respect accordingly.

Also, when we invaded the Middle East to help them with the United States of America we promised them Security via our Military.
I feel we should stand by our promise to help these people, if we do not and just declare victory without actually winning anything we will lose the, already fragile, trust of pretty much all Middle Eastern and other countrys.

We will be seen as Trigger happy combat junkies.
We must remember that when we invaded we took out and scared many militia forces who dumped people down wells full of dead bodies, alive and let them die down there.

We have scared many Terrorist groups into what some of them would call ''Jihad''. This means we have them and CAN beat them if we try harder.
There is no point simply saying ''Al Qaeda'' is the one big Terrorist threat we have scared because ''Al Qaeda'' is so vast and has so many different sections and cells operating on such a large scale and under many different names Al Qaeda is simply the grand daddy name of them all.

Again, I DO care deeply for our and our allied troops who are getting killed or wounded but you must remember that Soldiers are Soldiers and they are Soldiers for a reason.
When they signed up for whatever section of the Military they went into they told the Military they would go to War if told to by the Military.

[Mandez]

yeah they joined the army for a reason,
but its like vietnam mate,
we arnt gona do much good over there now we're just gona keep getting attacked, we cant stop it either cause like i said in vietnam they had to pull out.

in their country you dont know who's the terrorists which is gona make it kinda impossible to win over there, all we are doing now is policing the place and every so often a soldier dies.

if we pull out it doesnt mean the soldiers are not doing their duties, its jsut that i dont think gordon brown and the queen are gona be very happy about their soldiers dying, i mean after all we have the best trained soldiers in the world,

the middle-east doesnt need us, the only reason they put these jihad's on us is because we invaded in the first place, if we pull out and just let them have their civil wars and let them get on with their lives eventually a government will appear, hopefully a capitalist one.

its stupid leaving our soldiers there to die, its a pointless war we will never win.

oh yeah and also i think the mercs should be out there, they sign up to being one, their life is more on the lines than a soldiers why dont they go out and take over the fighting.

[EwfrGomulee]

Unfortunately for us Gordon Brown is a complete ***... I am sorry but it must be said.

He was not elected. GET HIM OUT!

[Breakfloor]

ok, i have a few things to say. for the airforce, navy and army each troop has to sign a security/insurance contract to be shipped out. YOU DO NOT HAVE TO GO.

and we never promised the US security. we offered them our support. and if your one of those idiot civilians who salute the forces then you should be shot. you do not have the permission to salute ANYTHING. learn the rules of the military before you criticise us.

[Mandez]

lol yeah, your like a policeman you havent been to Iraq,
if you want to be able to say that type of stuff, join the army, get shipped out to iraq, then say if you'd rather be out there or not.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Soliders join up the armed forces to protect our country, in the Iraqi invasion, Iraq and Saddam posed no threat to anyone in the world therefore our soliders shouldn't be over there. If I was in the army before the war and I got told to go, i'd rather face prison than go to a country and kill innocent civiallians and bring down a safe and secure country and turn it into a hell hole.

[Jinc]

-:Undertaker:-, what does that have to do with the topic? Please don't try to turn this into a thread about the moralities of invading Iraq... yet another chance for you to make a BNP reference.

Anyway..
The growing Iraqi army actually out-numbers the number of US and British troops currently stationed in Iraq. You seem to have completely exaggerated what little fact you have..
The last major presence of 'Mercenaries' in Iraq was 2004. Private companies located in the major cities in Iraq wanted to protect thier employees, as it was feared that the presence of both US troops and extremists would put them in danger.
Although the extensive coverage of military operations in the media distorts the public's view of order in Iraq and Afghanistan, the governments have strengthened considerably recently. I am doubtful as to whether these 'mercenaries' can really cause a continuing problem in the country. They certainly will not be able to 'run the place' once our troops are gone.

[EwfrGomulee]

When I said ''run the place'' I did not quite mean literally.

Also to answer some other people who think showing Soldiers the respect they deserve.
Yes I AM a Civilian however most of my family have served Queen and Country.
For this reason I feel I SHOULD always greet Soldiers in a friendly manner and show them some respect.

After all, I'd rather be ''an ideot civilian who salutes soldiers'' than be some annoying little rodent child who thinks gangsters are cool.

There is no real estimate by any government or agencies when it comes to the number of private soldiers in the Middle East.
There are companies who are open about their operations and some we do not even know exist.

To add, I am NOT a Police Officer. I am, however training to become a Police Officer.
What I do as a Civilian is Voluntary Street Patrol, this does not include Police duties such as stop, search or arrests.
Simply a visual crime deterrant.

Back to the topic:
as I stated before, Saddam was actually putting people down wells full of dead rotting corpses and leaving them there to die.
Anyone who opposed him would suddenly dissapear.
I hate mindless killing as much as the next person but if highly trained officials beleive we are under threat then they have a duty to take action for the safety of the country.

You cannot blame people for a mistake, obviously there was a threat there otherwise we would not have decided to tody along with America.
Also, you're false. Only if you sign up for specific trades within the airforce, army and navy do you get a choice as you if you go out into combat however if you're called upon by your government to go into combat you WILL have to go.
Royal Military Police serve as frontline troops in Iraq
Royal Air Force Police Guard bases in Iraq with the possibility of being attacked.
Also, if you're not interested in the defence of your country when you join the Military, which ever trade you choose to go into, why join? what is the point?.

There is NO point in signing up for being in the Infantry and then stating that you're a Pacifist or against the war.
You signed the dotted line and now you have to obey your orders.
As for outright refusing to go? have you ever been courtmarshalled? have you spent time in a Military prison?

Military courtmarshall is not a leniant as Civilian court.
Oh and to those of you unable to come up with any argument other than ''YOU STOOPID'' please do not bother posting. It's a waste of my ADSL speed.