War: Is it right? [ENDS 01/05/2011]

[Grig]

War: Is it right?

ENDS: 01/05/2011

People and governments are always at war nowadays, whether it is from civil unrests to invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan. There are countries who always go to war for various, more often than not wrong reasons. Some will say, YES, it is right because there are so-called extremists or fundamentalists in the world today. Such groups of people often pose a threat to national security, and hence it is justified within this way. Churchill once claimed that war was simply defensive. Others would also say war is good because it fights for the better good of the nation, such as historic wars for freedom in various countries. Many would even call the war in Iraq one for freedom. Other examples that people point to as good wars are those that stop totalitarian dictators such as Hitler. Some may say that some fantastic places have been created out of war, such as Hong Kong, a former British colony, that Britain molded into one of the most prosperous places in the world due to various wars of colonization.

However, there are many more that say that war is no good at all and all wars are a stimulant of greed or other wars. Back to the Hitler example, many would have said Germany would not have gone to war if it was not for the unequal terms from the Treaty of Versailles. Many wars have been out of faulty intelligence such as those in Iraq and Afghanistan, whilst many more were due to greed and simply a wanting of more oil. Other wars have been started due to belief systems, such as Vietnam and Korea, where there was an "American Threat" to try and stop this so-called evil of Communism and the domino theory. Then of course, we have to take into accounts all the innocent deaths caused by war and the long-term trauma and diseases such as cancer from the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bomb for example.

Whether was comes from civil disobedience or out of human nature. You can feel free to debate all about war and whether you think it is wrong or right (or even both sometimes).

[dbgtz]

In essence, war is natural. The claiming for dominance can be seen in pretty much anything that lives. I don't think that it is right, but I think it has to be there otherwise the world would go insane as weird as that sounds.

[Jessicrawrr]

In circumstances where war is inevitable, yes it's right, if it's going to protect the majority of life then yes it's right.
But if it's a war over some land, or a country, then I think it's stupid and pointless.

[GirlNextDoor15]

In essence, war is natural. The claiming for dominance can be seen in pretty much anything that lives. I don't think that it is right, but I think it has to be there otherwise the world would go insane as weird as that sounds.

So what do you mean by that is that war is necessary so that the world will not go insane? Well, what about the aftermath of wars? People suffering from diseases such as cholera, cancers and pandemics, the ecosystem and the properties that would be destroyed? Do you think the world would not go insane with the consequences of the wars?

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In circumstances where war is inevitable, yes it's right, if it's going to protect the majority of life then yes it's right.
But if it's a war over some land, or a country, then I think it's stupid and pointless.

1. War can be prevented. It is not inevitable.
2. If war is going to protect the majority of life, do you think peaceful discussions over the table will not protect the majority of life? Why do they have to choose war over peaceful discussions? In fact, if they can just sit down and discuss properly without any controversies, war will not even exist!
3. War is stupid and pointless because whoever suggested a war is a grade C student who does not think properly and prefers violence, according to Kurt Vonnegut Jr.

[dbgtz]

So what do you mean by that is that war is necessary so that the world will not go insane? Well, what about the aftermath of wars? People suffering from diseases such as cholera, cancers and pandemics, the ecosystem and the properties that would be destroyed? Do you think the world would not go insane with the consequences of the wars?

Aftermath has nothing to do with what I'm talking about, but naturally there is the wanting of dominance, of riches and to generally be the best and it is a natural thing to fight. Disease is natural, death is natural, destruction is natural. I'm not saying we should fight for the sake of it but there kind of needs to be an element of it. And besides, there is war in every day life, having a ***** fight with someone is an essence of war in some ways as you're fighting for a reason. OK you may not say wanting oil is a good reason but it is a reason.

---------- Post added 19-04-2011 at 04:58 PM ----------



1. War can be prevented. It is not inevitable.
2. If war is going to protect the majority of life, do you think peaceful discussions over the table will not protect the majority of life? Why do they have to choose war over peaceful discussions? In fact, if they can just sit down and discuss properly without any controversies, war will not even exist!
3. War is stupid and pointless because whoever suggested a war is a grade C student who does not think properly and prefers violence, according to Kurt Vonnegut Jr.

I know this wasn't directed at me but
1. war is a natural part of life.
2. You make it sound simple, but there are people who do not want to discuss. There is also the element of fear in discussing as they may be ambushed and killed (as ridiculous as that sounds, its possible). For example, gadaffi is hardly discussing anything with the rebels or us, he could have done quite easily.
3. Lolwut? War has existed for years way before humans, and I don't think humans who did fight in previous wars had grades in school. Infact the only education they recieved was learning to fight.

[GirlNextDoor15]

Aftermath has nothing to do with what I'm talking about, but naturally there is the wanting of dominance, of riches and to generally be the best and it is a natural thing to fight. Disease is natural, death is natural, destruction is natural. I'm not saying we should fight for the sake of it but there kind of needs to be an element of it. And besides, there is war in every day life, having a ***** fight with someone is an essence of war in some ways as you're fighting for a reason. OK you may not say wanting oil is a good reason but it is a reason.



I know this wasn't directed at me but
1. war is a natural part of life.
2. You make it sound simple, but there are people who do not want to discuss. There is also the element of fear in discussing as they may be ambushed and killed (as ridiculous as that sounds, its possible). For example, gadaffi is hardly discussing anything with the rebels or us, he could have done quite easily.
3. Lolwut? War has existed for years way before humans, and I don't think humans who did fight in previous wars had grades in school. Infact the only education they recieved was learning to fight.

1. Diseases are not natural although death is natural. Diseases are caused by human activities.
2. Destruction is only natural when it comes to natural disasters, not wars.
3. I understand there is a reason behind each wars and that actually proves why I say behind all wars, they are grade C students. What I mean by grade C students do not only refer to education. It can be a metaphor and if you don't be a metaphor, it's ok. I can explain it. We are all students for life. We learn throughout our life, right? Students are us and our life is our school. We are enrolled in it and grade C means that we do not get the proper education. Proper education as in the right thinking. Not thinking of getting your weapons whenever you feel like dominating something. Why don't you see educated people like Martin Luther King choose for peaceful discussions and not wars? It's because he got the proper education for life.
4. War is a natural part of life. If you don't get the proper education, people like you will just grab some weapons and start attacking people just because you don't get what you want. Life is not about getting what you want, right? It's about learning what we should learn. So, war is not right.
5. Everything is simple. You don't have to make it so complicated to get to the finishing line. For example, Muhammad Gaddafi is not discussing because he is dominated by his own greediness. He already made himself a fortune but yet, he wants more. That is why I say you don't have to be so complicated to get to the finishing line. Muhammad Gaddafi's finishing line is not to let go of his country and make more money. If he made it simple and let go of his country, he will be able to make money at other places, right? He already has the appropriate budjet to start something new and if he's still stuck with the dominance thing and not wanting to discuss it peacefully, that's why I say he doesn't get the proper education.
6. I think I already explain that. Our grades are how good we are at handling our lives and not affecting other people. We are the students for life and our life is the school.

[Andy-]

I agree with some comments here the aftermath may not be desirable but in some cases war is needed to settle down those in wrong. For example the United States of America and the British Armed Forces going in to war, it is unlikely to affect us as there are very slim chances of them being able to hit us with our technology.

War is something that can never stop they may always be a war somewhere in the world which may escalate to something much more worse and affect those who are innocent, though in wars innocent people always loose their lives.

[dbgtz]

1. Diseases are not natural although death is natural. Diseases are caused by human activities.
2. Destruction is only natural when it comes to natural disasters, not wars.
3. I understand there is a reason behind each wars and that actually proves why I say behind all wars, they are grade C students. What I mean by grade C students do not only refer to education. It can be a metaphor and if you don't be a metaphor, it's ok. I can explain it. We are all students for life. We learn throughout our life, right? Students are us and our life is our school. We are enrolled in it and grade C means that we do not get the proper education. Proper education as in the right thinking. Not thinking of getting your weapons whenever you feel like dominating something. Why don't you see educated people like Martin Luther King choose for peaceful discussions and not wars? It's because he got the proper education for life.
4. War is a natural part of life. If you don't get the proper education, people like you will just grab some weapons and start attacking people just because you don't get what you want. Life is not about getting what you want, right? It's about learning what we should learn. So, war is not right.
5. Everything is simple. You don't have to make it so complicated to get to the finishing line. For example, Muhammad Gaddafi is not discussing because he is dominated by his own greediness. He already made himself a fortune but yet, he wants more. That is why I say you don't have to be so complicated to get to the finishing line. Muhammad Gaddafi's finishing line is not to let go of his country and make more money. If he made it simple and let go of his country, he will be able to make money at other places, right? He already has the appropriate budjet to start something new and if he's still stuck with the dominance thing and not wanting to discuss it peacefully, that's why I say he doesn't get the proper education.
6. I think I already explain that. Our grades are how good we are at handling our lives and not affecting other people. We are the students for life and our life is the school.

1. You're saying every single disease is caused by humans... Disease may be spread by humans but how the hell could you say it's caused by human activities as that is just ****.

2. Destruction may not be natural for wars, but any kind of destruction allows for progression in society and in natural life (i.e. forest fires).

3. I know exactly the fact it was a metaphor, also if I don't be a metaphor? :L Education has nothing to do with right thinking, that's more wisdom and instinct. It is, in essence, an instinct to fight when something which is important is being endangered. Also Martin Luther King wasn't at war, he was preaching for anti-racism in one country which using violent methods would only have disproved what he was actually saying that they were no different, but they would have been if they just destroyed things to get their way.

4. People like me? LOL. How arrogant. I have got an education and will excel a C in pretty much every subject, meaning I get "right thinking" according to you. No it doesn't. My generally being is what makes me thing, not anything school has taught me otherwise we would pretty much all think the same. I'm not a violent person and would result to using weapon and violence in a self defence scenario. Life is not getting what you want? Well it kind of is, but you have to do other stuff to get what you want. I.E. people have to work to get luxuries such as TVs which would be stuff they want. No offense but you can't decide what life is.

5. It's a clash of opinion, Gadaffi want's control yes, but he does have a lot of supporters still as far as I'm aware. Well he must do considering he's still alive. And there was no actually hatred towards him by western countries until recently, and considering he's been in power for years that's quite a lot of time where no one really minded. And it's not really that simple, considering he's been killing civillians and now civillians want him dead I imagine rather then just out of power and I imagine some of the UN people are pretty pissed off. Also you're telling him to get a proper education, yet how old are you? He's probably quite smart, you haven't actually spoke to him. Education has nothing to do with anything you have mentioned, greed, possessiveness etc.

6. No offense but that was just a very lame metaphor.

[GirlNextDoor15]

1. You're saying every single disease is caused by humans... Disease may be spread by humans but how the hell could you say it's caused by human activities as that is just ****.

2. Destruction may not be natural for wars, but any kind of destruction allows for progression in society and in natural life (i.e. forest fires).

3. I know exactly the fact it was a metaphor, also if I don't be a metaphor? :L Education has nothing to do with right thinking, that's more wisdom and instinct. It is, in essence, an instinct to fight when something which is important is being endangered. Also Martin Luther King wasn't at war, he was preaching for anti-racism in one country which using violent methods would only have disproved what he was actually saying that they were no different, but they would have been if they just destroyed things to get their way.

4. People like me? LOL. How arrogant. I have got an education and will excel a C in pretty much every subject, meaning I get "right thinking" according to you. No it doesn't. My generally being is what makes me thing, not anything school has taught me otherwise we would pretty much all think the same. I'm not a violent person and would result to using weapon and violence in a self defence scenario. Life is not getting what you want? Well it kind of is, but you have to do other stuff to get what you want. I.E. people have to work to get luxuries such as TVs which would be stuff they want. No offense but you can't decide what life is.

5. It's a clash of opinion, Gadaffi want's control yes, but he does have a lot of supporters still as far as I'm aware. Well he must do considering he's still alive. And there was no actually hatred towards him by western countries until recently, and considering he's been in power for years that's quite a lot of time where no one really minded. And it's not really that simple, considering he's been killing civillians and now civillians want him dead I imagine rather then just out of power and I imagine some of the UN people are pretty pissed off. Also you're telling him to get a proper education, yet how old are you? He's probably quite smart, you haven't actually spoke to him. Education has nothing to do with anything you have mentioned, greed, possessiveness etc.

6. No offense but that was just a very lame metaphor.

1. Every single disease is caused by humans fyi. If we do not have war, we won't have Spanish flu, right? If we do not create MSGs or other complicated or harmful substances, we won't have cancer right? If China was not greedy enough to put harmful chemical substances in milk bottles, babies will not suffer from cancer, right?
2. Wars nowadays include bombs (nuclear, atomic etc.) and other weapons. If we do not have wars, harmful gases such as carbon monoxide and carbon dioxide will not be released in a huge amount, right? If harmful gases mentioned above are not released in a huge amount, the global temperature will not increase and the ozone layer will not deplete, right? If the global temperature does not increase and the ozone layer does not deplete, will we still have forest fires?
3. As I say, proper education is having the right thinking. You're a little bit off track here. Sorry You didn't get the right fact, btw. Martin Luther King was not a preacher! LOL He was a civil rights activist who fights for black men's rights. Why couldn't he choose the violence way? He didn't take the violence way because he got the right mind with the right thinking.
4. Life is not getting what you want. If you want to get luxury stuff, you know you have to work for it. You can't just steal it. That's what I was talking about. Learning what we should learn. We learnt that we couldn't steal it just because we want it. Life is all about lessons, dear. That brings us back to the right thinking/proper education which we can see the lesson of it or not. It's so obvious you can't see it! haha.. Oh btw.. You just made yourself sound so selfish. ==
5. I didn't tell him to get proper education. It's just that his mind is so messed up that he's thinking at the wrong way. Why didn't you see Martin Luther King like that? Plus, he's not smart. He's just tricky enough to escape from people's eye.
6. "Education has nothing to do with anything you have mentioned, greed, possesiveness" No offence but you still haven't get the metaphor, don't you? Aww.. poor buddy..

[matt$]

I'll keep it simple, if the war will help a larger number of people at the end of it then it's good as long as it can be kept under control and not expand and end up like most wars nowadays with nothing good coming out of them.