The Queen & Visiting Ireland

[Richie]

I'd love to see some unbiased responses. Obviously the queen isn't going to be welcomed in Ireland and I know it's bad to say but I've been raised in some strange way to hate on British, not by my family but by my friends even in the early stages of primary school when I hadn't a clue about what happened. As everyone gets older they get educated and hold their own opinions. I don't hate Britain but I don't agree with what they done years ago.


Firstly, I'd like to make clear, yes the IRA are classed as a terrorist group, which is true. I can understand why the IRA have a hatred against the queen and Britain itself, I do agree with their views but not their violence. What the IRA have done isn't the same as what Britain have done I agree but you need to understand in some way the queen of England is somewhat a terrorist, it wasn't her that directed the English soldiers to invade Ireland but looking back at her family tree, her relations did. So you can understand why she isn't welcome to Ireland, after all her family is technically wanted for war crime against Ireland (not officially but by the IRA).

How can you compare British Army to the IRA?
The IRA kill innocent people in an attempt to make a united Ireland and for revenge.
The British army killed innocent people to take our land (Including children and family's).


She is meant to visit Ireland some stage next month, this is going to be disaster, all hell will break loose just like it did in 2006. In 2006 the British wanted to march down O'Connell street with a union jack flag. Riots broke out and the Irish wouldn't allow it to happen. I can only imagine when the queen comes to Ireland how bad it'll be.






I don't want the queen to come to Ireland it is going to cause more problems and I don't see why the English would want her to come either, I wouldn't be surprised if there is a few attempts to assassin her. I hope she stays away and leaves us alone.


Opinions?

[Inseriousity.]

Hmm I suppose the question is should we prosecute the Germans because their ancestors were Nazis? I'm not saying what the British did was right but I think it's twisted logic to brand someone a terrorist because of something their family did.

Despite that, I still think it's a bad idea. When times economically are tough, the last thing you want is some Royals rubbing their nose in at how rich they are. *coughs Royal wedding*

Difference with the royal wedding is that we'll benefit from the tourism etc. What benefits would Ireland get?

[Red]

eugh for one she is not the queen of england, she is the queen of GB and Northern Ireland and I can't believe you are comparing the British Army to the IRA.
brave men who risk their lives for their country compared to total SCUM

[redtom]

The Queen is the monarch of the British Empire not just England, and she will be welcomed in Ireland by most, a few people wont like her there and that's that. The RIRA are a bunch of idiots with hardly any true support. Assassination attempts I think not :L

[-:Undertaker:-]

The difference between the British army (of which slaughter has occured under) and the IRA is that the IRA purposely targets innocent people and is thus classed as terrorism. Now the British army also is not like the Nazi army due to the fact that bad events in its history have always been isolated incidents and not consistent bloodshed targeting innocents. The IRA on the other hand I can describe as nothing more than scum.

Firstly, I'd like to make clear, yes the IRA are classed as a terrorist group, which is true. I can understand why the IRA have a hatred against the queen and Britain itself, I do agree with their views but not their violence.

What do you IRA sympathisers not understand about the concept that the people living in Nothern Ireland do not wish to be a part of your nation? what is so hard to understand about that? and before you label them as 'colonialists' who haven't a right to be where they are - i'd like to see you say the same to all Americans, black and white - all south Americans, all Europeans.. oh wait! thats right! we all come from a different origin at some point (Africa).

Thus annulling this ridiculous argument.

What the IRA have done isn't the same as what Britain have done I agree but you need to understand in some way the queen of England is somewhat a terrorist, it wasn't her that directed the English soldiers to invade Ireland but looking back at her family tree, her relations did. So you can understand why she isn't welcome to Ireland, after all her family is technically wanted for war crime against Ireland (not officially but by the IRA).

Do you feel the same way towards the scandinavian countries of Sweden, Norway and so forth? afterall, the vikings invaded both Ireland and other parts of Europe and the British isles - are the heads of state of Finland and co somewhat terrorists?

Do you ever hear of anyone calling the Italian President a terrorist because of the Roman Empire? no, you don't.

[Catzsy]

I am assuming that she has an invitation to visit - she would not do so otherwise and I am sure the majority of people will welcome her. I guess a nationalist has a right to an opinion too but lets wait and see what sort of welcome she gets. Has there been any really significient protests on the streets saying she shouldn't come?

[Richie]

The difference between the British army (of which slaughter has occured under) and the IRA is that the IRA purposely targets innocent people and is thus classed as terrorism. Now the British army also is not like the Nazi army due to the fact that bad events in its history have always been isolated incidents and not consistent bloodshed targeting innocents. The IRA on the other hand I can describe as nothing more than scum.



What do you IRA sympathisers not understand about the concept that the people living in Nothern Ireland do not wish to be a part of your nation? what is so hard to understand about that? and before you label them as 'colonialists' who haven't a right to be where they are - i'd like to see you say the same to all Americans, black and white - all south Americans, all Europeans.. oh wait! thats right! we all come from a different origin at some point (Africa).

Thus annulling this ridiculous argument.



Do you feel the same way towards the scandinavian countries of Sweden, Norway and so forth? afterall, the vikings invaded both Ireland and other parts of Europe and the British isles - are the heads of state of Finland and co somewhat terrorists?

Do you ever hear of anyone calling the Italian President a terrorist because of the Roman Empire? no, you don't.

That's different though, I wasn't brought up to see those countries as "evil" but with britain I was. When I was as young as 6 I would visit my family in Donegal (so I'd have to go through NI) why would I respect an army that treated people in the ROI like scum. I would sit on the bus and have British soldiers would aim loaded guns at my face because I'm really going to be holding a bomb in my bag pack. If you were brought up having the IRA aiming guns at you at that age would you have some hate against them (If they weren't "terrorists").


Personally I don't have a problem with the queen but for her own safety I suggest she stays away.

The scenario is basically dangling a rabbit (the queen) in front of a bunch of hungry dogs faces but not actually letting them eat the rabbit.

[-:Undertaker:-]

That's different though, I wasn't brought up to see those countries as "evil" but with britain I was. When I was as young as 6 I would visit my family in Donegal (so I'd have to go through NI) why would I respect an army that treated people in the ROI like scum. I would sit on the bus and have British soldiers aim loaded guns at my face because I'm really going to be holding a bomb in my bag pack. If you were brought up having the IRA aiming guns at you at that age would you have some hate against them (If they weren't "terrorists").

The reason why the British army had to build walls and construct armed barriers was due to the fact that sovereign British territory was being attacked and open warfare was taking place between forces hostile to the United Kingdom and the United Kingdom itself - what would you suggest we do otherwise? the IRA wanted war and they got war, again only serving to hurt the people themselves.

The IRA didn't tend to 'aim' guns at you because being the cowards they are, they resort to using innocent people in their campaign (see bombings by the IRA on the mainland and in Northern Ireland) just like the ANC and Mandela in South Africa - I don't have a problem with groups winning their freedoms via targeting a regime or government, but when you bring innocent people into it then no matter what the cause it is disgusting and foul.

And then there's the fact that unlike South Africa, the majority wish to be a part of the United Kingdom and not the Republic.

[Richie]

At the end of the day you could always use the childish phrase "they started it".

Undertaker I'm not saying what the IRA do is good but I agree with their political views. The British Army are no better for killing innocent family's decades ago. Anyway I don't really want the thread to drift into a political debate.

The queen doesn't need to visit Ireland, she's going to do more bad than good. If she got assassinated in Ireland next month, i can only imagine the tension between Britain & Ireland. Just as things start to die down, the IRA have stopped terrorist attacks. She should just leave Ireland alone for god sake.

[GommeInc]

What's in the past is in the past is my view If we all hated each other for past events Europe, America, Japan, Asia and Austrailasia would be a mess of hatred. We should both simply get over it in my views - the Irish mostly like us as do the English mostly like the Irish.