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    http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestay...nother-record/

    Antarctic Sea Ice Sets Another Record


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    Antarctic sea ice set another record this past week, with the most amount of ice ever recorded on day 256 of the calendar year (September 12 of this leap year). Please, nobody tell the mainstream media or they might have to retract some stories and admit they are misrepresenting scientific data.

    National Public Radio (NPR) published an article on its website last month claiming, “Ten years ago, a piece of ice the size of Rhode Island disintegrated and melted in the waters off Antarctica. Two other massive ice shelves along the Antarctic Peninsula had suffered similar fates a few years before. The events became poster children for the effects of global warming. … There’s no question that unusually warm air triggered the final demise of these huge chunks of ice.”

    NPR failed to mention anywhere in its article that Antarctic sea ice has been growing since satellites first began measuring the ice 33 years ago and the sea ice has been above the 33-year average throughout 2012.

    Indeed, none of the mainstream media are covering this important story. A Google News search of the terms Antarctic, sea ice and record turns up not a single article on the Antarctic sea ice record. Amusingly, page after page of Google News results for Antarctic sea ice record show links to news articles breathlessly spreading fear and warning of calamity because Arctic sea ice recently set a 33-year low.

    Sea ice around one pole is shrinking while sea ice around another pole is growing. This sure sounds like a global warming crisis to me.

    Update: To provide more perspective on global warming and Antarctica, I would like to update this column with some additional information:

    As meteorologist Anthony Watts explains, new data show ice mass is accumulating on the Antarctic continent as well as in the ocean surrounding Antarctica. The new data contradict an assertion by global warming alarmists that the expanding Antarctic sea ice is coming at the expense of a decline in Antarctic continental ice.

    The new data also add context to sensationalist media stories about declining ice in small portions of Antarctica, such as portions of West Antarctica and the Antarctic Peninsula (see here, for example). The mainstream media frequently publish stories focusing on ice loss in these two areas, yet the media stories rarely if ever mention that ice is accumulating over the larger area of East Antarctica and that the continent as a whole is gaining snow and ice mass.

    Interestingly, a new NASA study finds Antarctica once supported vegetation similar to that of present-day Iceland.

    “The southward movements of rain bands associated with a warmer climate in the high-latitude southern hemisphere made the margins of Antarctica less like a polar desert, and more like present-day Iceland,” a co-author of the NASA study reports.
    And yet, three of the four mainstream political parties in British politics are still committed to the EU policy (of which they don't have a say over, but go along with anyway with the marching orders from Brussels) that our coal and gas power stations must be shut down and replaced with ridiculous wind turbines which are proven to a) not work & b) be extremely expensive. The madness continues, but many of us have woken up on this issue along with others.

    The theory of man made global warming is a classic case of a consensus that was entirely false yet was widely believed only a few years ago, with those questioning or opposing it labelled as mad or downright insane. Always remember, that whenever a consensus forms that it's usually the views on the outside that hold hidden truths.

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    You've messied your logic.

    a) Records clearly show a trend of rising temperatures. Fact.
    b) The article claims that because antarctic ice is increasing and arctic ice is decreasing that there is no global warming. It is a FACT that this is not sufficient evidence of a lack of global warming, especially considering there is a lot of evidence to the contrary, coincidentally it is actually a good thing as arctic ice melting doesn't cause sea levels to rise whilst antarctic ice melting does.
    c) You have falsely claimed this as meaning man made global warming isn't true, whilst you're not necessarily wrong and if the article is right then I guess you are right - if the article is true then not just man made global warming is false but global warming in general is false. You've made a weird conclusion mostly to avoid the fact that the article is using dodgy evidence to claim something that simply ISN'T TRUE.

    I don't actually dispute that man made global warming is false, there is no solid evidence other than some likely coincidental rise in temperature coinciding with an increase in CO2. The actual temperature rise falls into natural earth temperature cycles of the earth. But to make that claim from this article is stupid, mostly because it's a farce.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chippiewill View Post
    You've messied your logic.

    a) Records clearly show a trend of rising temperatures. Fact.
    b) The article claims that because antarctic ice is increasing and arctic ice is decreasing that there is no global warming. It is a FACT that this is not sufficient evidence of a lack of global warming, especially considering there is a lot of evidence to the contrary, coincidentally it is actually a good thing as arctic ice melting doesn't cause sea levels to rise whilst antarctic ice melting does.
    c) You have falsely claimed this as meaning man made global warming isn't true, whilst you're not necessarily wrong and if the article is right then I guess you are right - if the article is true then not just man made global warming is false but global warming in general is false. You've made a weird conclusion mostly to avoid the fact that the article is using dodgy evidence to claim something that simply ISN'T TRUE.

    I don't actually dispute that man made global warming is false, there is no solid evidence other than some likely coincidental rise in temperature coinciding with an increase in CO2. The actual temperature rise falls into natural earth temperature cycles of the earth. But to make that claim from this article is stupid, mostly because it's a farce.
    I am aware of the entire theory, but I don't feel the need to type everything I know of global warming out - largely because most people, such as yourself, are clued up on it and secondly because if I type too much then nobody will read or reply.

    This is just one part of the puzzle that people can place into the jigsaw, a piece that defies what we've been fed for the last decade on this.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chippiewill
    a) Records clearly show a trend of rising temperatures. Fact.
    Not in recent years however, I think it's the past 10 to 15 there's been a cooling period.


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    Quote Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:- View Post
    Not in recent years however, I think it's the past 10 to 15 there's been a cooling period.
    That doesn't indicate a long-term change in outlook.
    Chippiewill.


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