Abortion : Right or Wrong?

[marriott0.01]

I know this is a well debated issue, but me and Sammeth. have just been arguing non-stop on MSN about the issue, and personally I believe that a doctor has the duty to protect every life, even if it is unborn the baby is still alive.

However Sam thinks that abortion should occur in extreme circumstances, which I have to disagree with because there are alternatives.

What do you think? Who do you agree with? And what are your opinions on abortion?

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wrong. wrong. wrong. wrong. wrong.
i don't care the case, if it's gonna be disabled or you were raped, the baby should still be born. you can easily give your baby up to others that can't have any children of their own.
any form of murder (which abortion is) is a sin, i don't think it matters how far on the pregnancy is it's still wrong.

[marriott0.01]

wrong. wrong. wrong. wrong. wrong.
i don't care the case, if it's gonna be disabled or you were raped, the baby should still be born. you can easily give your baby up to others that can't have any cildren of their own.
any form of murder (which abortion is) is a sin, i don't think it matters how far on the pregnancy is it's still wrong.

I completely agree, there are alternatives, such as giving the baby away. You should never have to kill.

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wrong. wrong. wrong. wrong. wrong.
i don't care the case, if it's gonna be disabled or you were raped, the baby should still be born. you can easily give your baby up to others that can't have any cildren of their own.
any form of murder (which abortion is) is a sin, i don't think it matters how far on the pregnancy is it's still wrong.

I agree with you Jezh, if you really don't want a child give it up for adoption to someone who actually does. However if the Mother could die giving birth then I am in favor of abortion.

[Sammeth.]

Although I would rather you would have asked before tying my name into the discussion, I will reply.

After studying childcare for the past two years I've been going over abortion for a long time through lessons and education, and have even had the unpleasant experience of watching one. I still stand by what I say, and I am thankful for the laws that the UK currently have in place regarding abortion.

"legal for rape, maternal life, health, mental health, socioeconomic factors, and/or fetal defects"

It leaves it as an option. If a woman decides she can cope after being victim of rape, or would risk her life for her babies then that's up to her to decide - its not for me to decide. Each and every case of an abortion is specific to their beliefs not mine. All I'm happy with is the option for them rather than me. At the end of the day I don't understand what they, as mothers, will be feeling. It's not just the simple case of "Oh it's only 9 months" as you have said to me on MSN. It's a lot more than that. I do think its wrong to get an abortion for very trivial reasons such as a product of underage or unsafe sex. However looking at it with the mothers and childs best interests at heart, there should always be an option for the worse case scenarios. No one should be able to legislate peoples freedom. Not one person has the right to tell someone what they can and can't do in regards to that. I do not have the right to go up to a mother who has been raped, a mother who might die if she gives a birth, a mother of a severely disabled child who will suffer the rest of his or her life and say "You can absolutely not get an abortion" as I have a heart and although I might not be capable of understanding every bit of suffering they are going through, I can at least empathise. I don't have the right to make life changing choices for other people, and they do not have the right to do the same for me. We are people, not machines and I do not make up peoples minds up for them by legislating their choices.

[mariamcdee]

wrong. wrong. wrong. wrong. wrong.
i don't care the case, if it's gonna be disabled or you were raped, the baby should still be born. you can easily give your baby up to others that can't have any children of their own.
any form of murder (which abortion is) is a sin, i don't think it matters how far on the pregnancy is it's still wrong.

But that child might grow up thinking his/her parents hated him/her and didnt want him/her.
I still mostly disagree with abortion though

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I do not have the right to go up to a mother who has been raped, a mother who might die if she gives a birth, a mother of a severely disabled child who will suffer the rest of his or her life and say "You can absolutely not get an abortion" as I have a heart and although I might not be capable of understanding every bit of suffering they are going through, I can at least empathise. I don't have the right to make life changing choices for other people, and they do not have the right to do the same for me. We are people, not machines and I do not make up peoples minds up for them by legislating their choices.

right, so because i think abortion is a no-no i don't have a heart?? i'm not going to judge a mother on their decision (unless ofcourse it's something stupid like 'i was drunk and forgot protection')

But that child might grow up thinking his/her parents hated him/her and didnt want him/her.
I still mostly disagree with abortion though

well that's true, it's better to have a happy life than none at all though & it's up to them if they want to visit their parents or not afterwards, it's better to give them a chance than none at all.
Life is meant to be carried on through generations, therefore giving birth, not killing :/ but i still think if the mother's in danger of death giving birth that's the only good reason for abortions & you even see some mothers taking that risk and giving birth anyway

[Sammeth.]

right, so because i think abortion is a no-no i don't have a heart?? i'm not going to judge a mother on their decision (unless ofcourse it's something stupid like 'i was drunk and forgot protection')

No I never said that. I said that I wouldn't be able to judge a mother because I (me personally, not speaking on behalf of anyone else, thats what I means) have a heart to. If you don't agree that's your perogative, it doesn't mean you don't have a heart it just means that in your heart you feel something different. All metaphorical of course. I think you're reading too much into certain phrases and ignoring the bigger picture, the actual MAIN point of what I was getting across.

[marriott0.01]

I just think that a life is a life, and anyone who ends a life doesn't deserve to have there's. That's why some countries have the death penalty.

But even if someone is raped, the mother shouldn't have the choice to end the babies life, because even though the man who has raped the woman has done wrong, the baby has done nothing at all wrong, and therefore doesn't need punishing. You never know the mother could grow to love the baby.

[Sammeth.]

I just think that a life is a life, and anyone who ends a life doesn't deserve to have there's. That's why some countries have the death penalty.

But even if someone is raped, the mother shouldn't have the choice to end the babies life, because even though the man who has raped the woman has done wrong, the baby has done nothing at all wrong, and therefore doesn't need punishing. You never know the mother could grow to love the baby.

Of course thats good, and if they feel they can have the baby, in the UK they have the choice to, which is a good thing. Everyone should be given the choice to decide and not have other peoples opinions thrust upon them through law. Just because some people think its right it doesnt make it right and just because some people think its wrong it doesnt make it wrong. The only person who should be deciding on whether to abort their baby for necessary reasons is the mother who is capable, mature and can think for herself without having other people limiting her choices. If she decides not to go for an abortion thats fantastic, if she decides to go for it for any particular reason that could easily be seen as acceptable (not just rape as that seems to keep coming up as if its the only reason), then we cannot judge her.