Telecom Packages to change Europe?

[Niall!]

This is pretty scary, I know for a fact it's not a hoax as it's been discussed extensively on French news, but now it seems it's to become EU standard.

http://blackouteurope.eu/

Basically what it is saying is that you will only have certain sites you will be able to look at and must pay for extra sites etc.

I honestly don't think this is legal, since many small business's will go under due to lack of advertising. As for me, I use a wide range of sites and none of them are popular whatsoever.

[efq]

Yeah I just saw this, it is scary.

You can't say because of little business's its not legal, the battle for P2P is going to far and with the piratebay stuff they have all rights to do this to prevent it. But I doubt the UK will go with it.

The trick is if you want to be able to visit a website, you need to ask your provide to include it in your package. So if you wanted to go to piratebay you'd need to ask your ISP to allow Piratebay.org and well of course they wont.

To let you know this is serious and details have been released for anyone wanting to call there Member of the European Parliament can find a list here.
http://www.laquadrature.net/wiki/MEPs_ITRE_am138

[Fez]

It'd be embarrassing asking for porn sites in your package...

Also, I don't believe any bit about this. If it happens, then I'm off to Japan - internet is free there.

[Niall!]

Looks like UK is voting it in as all there MEPs are for it.

[efq]

The UK European Members of Parliament are FOR.

Total 79 Members of the European Parliament are FOR.
9 Members of the European Parliament are AGAINST.
6 Members of the European Parliament are ABSTENTION.

NOTE THIS IS ONLY THE 1ST READING

It all back tracks, The EU People will go crazy with it then making the parliament not do it. But then Music Artists, Software developers, Microsoft products etc can say we will no longer make software because people are downloading it for free.
So its a hard decision to make.

[Fez]

The UK European Members of Parliament are FOR.

Total 79 Members of the European Parliament are FOR.
9 Members of the European Parliament are AGAINST.
6 Members of the European Parliament are ABSTENTION.

NOTE THIS IS ONLY THE 1ST READING

It all back tracks, The EU People will go crazy with it then making the parliament not do it. But then Music Artists, Software developers, Microsoft products etc can say we will no longer make software because people are downloading it for free.
So its a hard decision to make.

Piracy shouldn't be a crime. People are simply downloading most of these things because they are not widely available or too expensive. A good example of this is Left4Dead, which is reported to be one of the most pirated things on launch day - but when it dropped to a price of £15, sales shot up over 3000% and Valve had happy days.

It's not anyone's fault BUT the music companies, software developers and everything else putting up the price too high in a recession. At the end of the day a company has to make profit, but it's not gonna make any profit at all in these recession times. Thus, they must either find a cheaper way of manufacturing or lower the price until they still gain sustainable profit. It's the only way of dealing with piracy directly.

[efq]

Piracy shouldn't be a crime. People are simply downloading most of these things because they are not widely available or too expensive. A good example of this is Left4Dead, which is reported to be one of the most pirated things on launch day - but when it dropped to a price of £15, sales shot up over 3000% and Valve had happy days.

It's not anyone's fault BUT the music companies, software developers and everything else putting up the price too high in a recession. At the end of the day a company has to make profit, but it's not gonna make any profit at all in these recession times. Thus, they must either find a cheaper way of manufacturing or lower the price until they still gain sustainable profit. It's the only way of dealing with piracy directly.

But if you can't afford it, you don't have it.

If you want something in a shop, you don't shop lift everytime? Thats the same as pirating. (Although I pirate all the time lol)

[Fez]

But if you can't afford it, you don't have it.

If you want something in a shop, you don't shop lift everytime? Thats the same as pirating. (Although I pirate all the time lol)

Well that's the thing isn't it. Things need to be put at a respectable price, not one which will guarantee the most profit for even small businesses selling the products. But if these places put products at a lower cost, but still having profit coming back to them, then we would have a lot less piracy.

Well shoplifting is , imo, a bigger crime than piracy. It is basically theft and piracy is just about the same thing except with a cooler name.

[efq]

Well that's the thing isn't it. Things need to be put at a respectable price, not one which will guarantee the most profit for even small businesses selling the products. But if these places put products at a lower cost, but still having profit coming back to them, then we would have a lot less piracy.

Well shoplifting is , imo, a bigger crime than piracy. It is basically theft and piracy is just about the same thing except with a cooler name.

Yeah piracy is brill still, I couldn't live without it!

[Fez]

What the entertainment industry needs is a system that actually prevents piracy. Just about DVD can be ripped, and even then you just play it in your home and record the actual TV with a Dazzle or actual camcorder.