Sportsssssss banter/arguments

[e5]

I really really really really really don't see the need in all these measures being taken to ensure there is no arguments in the sports section. Since the complaints, you've slightly lightened up on the fact that arguing/banter is what makes sports a better discussion, as it gives each support the opportunity to put their view strongly across to the person they are talking to.

Seriously, if an argument breaks out, it's not like they're physically fighting, or doing something like drugs - It's an argument over the internet which is healthy when discussing sports, as like I said it gives people chance to voice their opinions of teams and the sports themselves! You seriously don't have to take such drastic measures and edit every single post which argues with another user about sports, it's just going to happen no matter what - It's sports, a competitive area in life, if not the most competitive in life and that's where arguments live for the majority of the time. On an on-line forum, nothing even professional, there's no actual need for all the serious actions being taken, it's not like any of this will or ever has been taken into real life in which someone's well-being is being put into question.

I know for a fact it's only been done so moderators and adminstrators look like they've got some sort of control and power over it's users and it's really not a good thing at all and just not necessary.

Same goes for the general moderation, just no need for the level of strictness, it doesn't make anyone look powerful at all, which is what you're ultimately trying to make yourselves look like. We're middle aged teens, not little kids that don't know right from wrong and are still learning the very basics of life >.>. "Oh stop causing arguments its naughty *slap bum*" "No swearing it's the wrong thing to do *slap bum*"

[Wyked]

here here, I agree with you fine sir.

[Joepetto]

wall of text, but moderators just like to prove they're higher in the 'food chain' than normal members.

[Wyked]

Do you feel it's the moderators or the super moderators that are most guilty of this?

[e5]

wall of text, but moderators just like to prove they're higher in the 'food chain' than normal members.

Which is basically what I mentioned towards to end

And super mods.

[Chippiewill]

I reckon the 'no arguments' rule should be scrapped for the sports forum and change the description for that forum to:

'Let the animals fight'

[The Professor]

What proof do you have that they're only doint it to look powerful? Does it not strike you that they might be doing it so the whole section doesn't constantly descend into flame wars and mindless insult fests? You know, doing their jobs...

Unfortunately that seems to be what everyone who moans about the moderation in that section wants, but as soon as it happens they all start moaning its out of control and people are trolling and the world isn't good enough. The mods really can't win!

Edit: I know nvr is kinda against the thing that chips suggested but it seems the only option to me!

[Hecktix]

Arguments provide a negative atmosphere on the forum which we do not want.

We accept the fact that discussion in the sports forums can get heated and we let it do so until it offends other members.

I don't know what you are talking about with the "measures to stop" arguments as nothing else is done in the sports forum different to other forums.

There were some banter rules the other day posted to prevent spamming, not arguing

[Immenseman]

I have to say that the moderation in that forum specifically is the worst moderation I have seen in my three years at Habbox. I feel the whole team in its entirety is half as good as it should be. I have never seen such a poor moderation department. I'm not going to name individuals as that wouldn't be fair. I have done that out of the public eye to retain what integrity I have left .

Under previous regimes the current standard of moderating would not have been acceptable. There are some moderators who have so many of their infractions reversed. However, rather than telling them their style of moderation is wrong they get a promotion to one of the most senior positions at Habbox, super moderator. To be quite frank, such people shouldn't even be moderators, let alone super moderators.

Back on topic, it's poor decision after poor decision in the sports forum. What on Earth happened to consistency... they had a system that had SUCCESSFULLY worked for 5 years, which is don't treat the forum any different to others. Then they start implementing sports bans, where the people are banned from the forum. Now, they crack down on banter. Talking about banter When I saw the new stickied thread that had been approved by Forum Management (not sure if that means much any more) I was astounded. They were openly admitting they didn't want banter...

Now for those of you who are unsure of what they're cracking down on, I will define banter for you.

Good humoured, playful, typically spontaneous conversation; To engage in banter or playful conversation; To play or do something amusing; To tease mildly

I suggest people check out the stickied thread in sports to see what I'm going on about if you're not aware. It'll give you a laugh if not anything else.

Right, so we're not allowed a bit of tongue in cheek humour any more? Why the hell not? Have you ever been to a sports game or even watched sports news?! You will see one of the fundamental things sports revolve around is banter. I could say to excellent2 "haha united lost to burnley, changed your tune about them now you've lost". I would be punished for this...

For those of you thinking, I'm exaggerating to create a vivid point, let me show you one of my posts which I was cautioned for. Not a warning, not a user-note but an infraction which ensured I was cautioned (no coincidence they chose the wrong punishment which would see me cautioned) http://www.habboxforum.com/showpost....23&postcount=5 now I have shown even an AGM this who scoffed at the decision. Yet the Forum Manager has labelled it and I quote "a personal attack". Let me define attack for you.
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an offensive against an enemy

Firstly, he's not an enemy because the latter part of the post I'm wishing him luck. However, I will PM certain people and make said point more unequivocal to them later.

Things have got gradually worse in the forum since they've started silly depleted plans on how to curb the forum. If it was treated like any other forum like it used to be there would be less trouble. That's a fact. The forum wasn't half as troublesome when the rules weren't being muddled with. There is a horrible friction between moderators and regular posters in the forum now, which has been created by moderators trying to get unnecessary change.

There is one case where there was an argument raging for days (why it wasn't closed is beyond me...) However, it had died down and in the past 24 hours there had been just two posts. Then an unnamed super moderator posted in there saying "please don't argue". I replied to this telling him what I've told you there. That it had died down and by posting it was actually more likely to ignite them again. He then edited my post and told me off for pointless posting... My post was in reply to his... let me quote the pointless posting rule...

A11. Do not post pointlessly – A pointless post has no relevance to the topic, any previous post or is meaningless (ghnrgher etc). A pointless thread either has no meaning, is something posted that is not true (e.g. false story in news and rumours) or a thread that doesn't prompt a discussion (eg. post the colour of socks you're wearing).

My post was in reply to his, thus it wasn't a pointless post. When the moderators don't even know the rules themselves. How are we expected as just regular uses to follow them, especially when they're constantly changing.

Things won't be change because staff who can implement change want to people please and by pleasing those who actually post in sports means going against forum staff, something that unfortunately would never happen at Habbox any more.

Also, I'm disgusted in how management have reacted to these complaints about the forum. What happened to acknowledging complaints and trying to fix things... they seem to have "we're right, you're wrong" mentality. Something I know sierk would hate to see. However, the only person who would ensure such changes were made to meet evident common sense is no longer active.

You know things aren't right when you have to add at the end of the post this sort of message... *this is my opinion and if you want to pretend everything is alright, don't read it*

[Hecktix]

Actually Jake I think you'll find the stickied thread says banter is allowed as long as it's within a discussion thread.

This is just an attempt to remove the pointless threads which end up in users fighting.

I don't see why that is a crime