Teen Killers Sentenced as Adults

[Silver]

The sentencing of the two teenaged boys who admitted to the sadistic murder of 18-year-old Kimberly Proctor. The publication ban, that was protecting them as youths, has been lifted - the killers, Kruse Wellwood and Cameron Moffat, were sentenced as adults, both receiving life sentences with chance for parole after 10 years.

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[beth]

think it's the right decision, if they're "big" enough to kill someone, they're "big" enough to serve a proper sentence.

[HotelUser]

Yeah I basically hate the Canadian justice system, they should both be in a lot more trouble than this, maybe death sentences.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I see the same left wing nonsense has spread to the Canadian justice system just as it has in Great Britain, the idea that punishment is wrong and that people of sound mind are not responsible for their own actions which they take, rather that the sociological approach is what led them to this; background, gender, race and so forth - which most of us dismiss as complete tripe and rightly so. This case has led to a disgraceful sentence of 10 years which is the sort of thing which goes on day in day out in my country which is opposed by anyone who can rationally think and see the difference between right and wrong - which naturally excludes the ruling elite.

The death penalty should be brought back in the UK and I see Canada is quite keen on it also, over 50% in both countries want it brought back.

[beth]

I see the same left wing nonsense has spread to the Canadian justice system just as it has in Great Britain, the idea that punishment is wrong and that people of sound mind are not responsible for their own actions which they take, rather that the sociological approach is what led them to this; background, gender, race and so forth - which most of us dismiss as complete tripe and rightly so. This case has led to a disgraceful sentence of 10 years which is the sort of thing which goes on day in day out in my country which is opposed by anyone who can rationally think and see the difference between right and wrong - which naturally excludes the ruling elite.

The death penalty should be brought back in the UK and I see Canada is quite keen on it also, over 50% in both countries want it brought back.

i don't agree with the principle of the death penalty (i don't think "an eye for an eye" works at all.) but i'm interested to know whether there is any statistical proof it is effective on the rate of crime?

[HotelUser]

i don't agree with the principle of the death penalty (i don't think "an eye for an eye" works at all.) but i'm interested to know whether there is any statistical proof it is effective on the rate of crime?

Even taking into consideration boys uprisings being terrible they should still be able to differentiate between right and wrong when it comes to raping and brutally murdering someone.

I don't want them in my country. They did something horrible and I would say they deserve to die for it.

[-:Undertaker:-]

i don't agree with the principle of the death penalty (i don't think "an eye for an eye" works at all.) but i'm interested to know whether there is any statistical proof it is effective on the rate of crime?

So you are against the logic of punishment in general? punishment is there both as a pillar of morality (the idea that to do something wrong results in punishment, a taboo we should avoid) and punishment also of course acts as a deterrent - of which the punishment must match the crime.

Now as for data on crime I wouldn't dream of going into it as the figures have been progressively fiddled for decades, but the argument against the death penalty that is often used with the given examples of the United States and its high crime rate simply does not stand up as the United States does not really have the death penalty in operation anymore and is seldom used - thus it does not act as an effective deterrent.

Even taking into consideration boys uprisings being terrible

Which is what the left does and which the courts now do, simply ignoring the fact that if you are of sound mind you are responsible for your own actions and not your parents, your school, past enemies, your friends or your wealth or social status. But this is sadly what we end up with, the irony being that the people who suffer from crime the most (the poorest) and whom cannot escape from it are the ones who the left claim to care about.

As for me bringing in the left, it needs to be brought up because its fundamental to understanding why our justice system fails so many people.

[beth]

nono, i am totally for punishment and i totally agree that they should be punished severely, but i don't think the death penalty is right. i do believe a life prison sentence SHOULD be for life though, not parole ever. and i pretty much believe it should be 24 hours in a cell, no windows, no way out (as in suicide).

i just don't like the idea of bringing more death into the world. i don't think anyone has the authority to take life, so why should a government be any different? i just think prison sentences should be harsher.

[-:Undertaker:-]

nono, i am totally for punishment and i totally agree that they should be punished severely, but i don't think the death penalty is right. i do believe a life prison sentence SHOULD be for life though, not parole ever. and i pretty much believe it should be 24 hours in a cell, no windows, no way out (as in suicide).

i just don't like the idea of bringing more death into the world. i don't think anyone has the authority to take life, so why should a government be any different? i just think prison sentences should be harsher.

So you are against war (in the fact that in war innocent life is taken) and abortion (the fact that abortion is the termination of the life of a human being)? if so, then your principles remain clear and you have a moral case of which I cannot really argue with as easily. If not, well, we'll come to that.

[beth]

So you are against war and abortion? if so, then your principles remain clear and you have a moral case.

i am against war. i am not against abortion as in my opinion it's a completely different scenario, and i know you'll pick me up and say it's still life but from experience, i am pro-choice.