So who thinks Apple is done?

[HotelUser]

By done I just mean reduced down by a lot.

I think Google is going to do a lot to win market share (as we've already seen) and Microsoft has a huge amount of money they can use to dump into the tablet industry in order to win market share (even at a loss in profits) as well.

I think Apple's done a lot for the industry and if you know me then you that I like Apple more then Microsoft (Hi Tom, hi Matt) although despite me thinking so highly of Apple I honestly don't see them changing their business model any time soon to compete with Microsoft or Android on a greater scale.

God knows why Microsoft's not decided it wanted to make more money or market share in the tablet industry before but now that they've decided they like surviving I think Windows 8 will be a bigger blow to Apple then a lot of people recognize. If Windows 8 is to be successful (and it will be Microsoft's made sure of that) then I think the full desktop environment of Windows 8 is going to completely shatter iOS in it's entirety (minus wherever Internet Explorer comes up, the msie rendering engine will always be garbage and v8 will always dominate whatever Microsoft dishes out). I think iOS will be around for awhile longer, but I don't see Apple doing anything like running OS X on future revisions of the iPad anytime soon.

So I think either Microsoft can be stupid here and not pull through software and marketing wise with Windows 8 tablets, or I think Apple can be stupid and stubbornly stick to their current business model.

[xxMATTGxx]

You really think Apple is done for? Interesting. I don't think they are done for most likely. In terms of Microsoft and Windows 8 - I am not sure how well it will actually do you know. I think a benefit of Windows 8 is the cheap price tag it will half for a good X amount of months when it launches which is a bonus to anyone wanting to upgrade their operating system.

Google will sure gain more market with Android and the Nexus 7 looks like a sweet device. But is it going to kill the iPad? Not really it's more aimed at killing the Amazon Kindle range they have on offer. But that cheap price tag is going to be a hit for sure.

In terms of Apple adapting, what would you like to see from them? Having more than one version of the iPad in another screen size format but at a lower cost or what?

[HotelUser]

You really think Apple is done for? Interesting. I don't think they are done for most likely. In terms of Microsoft and Windows 8 - I am not sure how well it will actually do you know. I think a benefit of Windows 8 is the cheap price tag it will half for a good X amount of months when it launches which is a bonus to anyone wanting to upgrade their operating system.

Google will sure gain more market with Android and the Nexus 7 looks like a sweet device. But is it going to kill the iPad? Not really it's more aimed at killing the Amazon Kindle range they have on offer. But that cheap price tag is going to be a hit for sure.

In terms of Apple adapting, what would you like to see from them? Having more than one version of the iPad in another screen size format but at a lower cost or what?

I'd like to see some varient of OS X running on an Apple tablet and I would like to see Apple embrace HTML5 development and remove a lot of the current restrictions they're put in place when it comes to developing on iOS (even though I thoroughly believe Microsoft wont develop IE to be competitive with whatever Google's doing, Microsoft is still marketing HTML5 development fantastically). Developers for iOS aren't even allowed to use Apple's own Nitro compiler for javascript. Despite the problems HTML5 apps have in comparison to apps written in native code for the platform, a lot of devs are pushing out HTML5 apps because a little kid could do it. I think Microsoft's going to market Windows 8 tablets better because of partnerships Microsoft has with OEMS (even though they're competing with their OEMS -- haha!), I think Windows 8 tablets will within several years be cheaper to grab than an iPad of equivalent hardware specifications and I think iOS is going to be seen as a catastrophically limited platform (and to tell you the truth unless you jailbreak an iOS device as it stands, it would be pretty useless to me).

As popular as iOS is right now, I just don't see it sticking around in the longrun unless they make it overall more open, and unless we don't see Apple selling their devices at lesser costs.

[xxMATTGxx]

I'd like to see some varient of OS X running on an Apple tablet and I would like to see Apple embrace HTML5 development and remove a lot of the current restrictions they're put in place when it comes to developing on iOS (even though I thoroughly believe Microsoft wont develop IE to be competitive with whatever Google's doing, Microsoft is still marketing HTML5 development fantastically). Developers for iOS aren't even allowed to use Apple's own Nitro compiler for javascript. Despite the problems HTML5 apps have in comparison to apps written in native code for the platform, a lot of devs are pushing out HTML5 apps because a little kid could do it. I think Microsoft's going to market Windows 8 tablets better because of partnerships Microsoft has with OEMS (even though they're competing with their OEMS -- haha!), I think Windows 8 tablets will within several years be cheaper to grab than an iPad of equivalent hardware specifications and I think iOS is going to be seen as a catastrophically limited platform (and to tell you the truth unless you jailbreak an iOS device as it stands, it would be pretty useless to me).

As popular as iOS is right now, I just don't see it sticking around in the longrun unless they make it overall more open, and unless we don't see Apple selling their devices at lesser costs.

Yeah I don't think you will get what you want in terms of an OS X version running on a tablet made by Apple. It will be interesting to see how Windows 8 will do over the years to come and what happens to the operating system after Windows 8 and what sort of approach Microsoft will take then. In terms of them competing with their OEMs - That is true in a way but you could also say it's making the standard for OEMs to follow and copy/do better. Bit like Google with the Nexus range? Although they do team up with Asus or Samsung etc. Although, I wouldn't mind more Microsoft branded hardware

[mrwoooooooo]

i hope so, because iphones are so overrated

[Recursion]

I cba to read all those posts or type a lot, as I'm going out but...

Honestly, I hate Windows 8 and only see it working on tablets. I think this'll bring about a shift in market share in Apple's favor pretty sharply (not that they'll overtake MS, but it might shift a lot) in the PC market because of how much of a mess Windows 8 is on a laptop or desktop. In terms of iOS... I don't see it dying anytime soon. It's a massive ecosystem that produces consistent results and brings about high quality hardware with high quality software, which people are obviously paying a premium for and managing fine. If Apple were having issues, I think we'd start to see their prices decrease, which I can't see happening.

I'm slowly migrating our work client machines to Macs, we're a very high tech and up to date school and I'm trying to get the latest and greatest software out there so the children can experience it, Windows 8 just isn't going to provide a friendly experience for our staff or the children.

[HotelUser]

Yeah I don't think you will get what you want in terms of an OS X version running on a tablet made by Apple. It will be interesting to see how Windows 8 will do over the years to come and what happens to the operating system after Windows 8 and what sort of approach Microsoft will take then. In terms of them competing with their OEMs - That is true in a way but you could also say it's making the standard for OEMs to follow and copy/do better. Bit like Google with the Nexus range? Although they do team up with Asus or Samsung etc. Although, I wouldn't mind more Microsoft branded hardware

I think Google with the Nexus was just to soften the blow for the marketshare loss of iOS 6 and later Windows 8, and to help crush the Kindle and the Nook. I think of Google as someone who's just along for the ride with Samsung, because as long as the tablet industry is being Samsunged we're going to see Android on phones, tablets, TVs for years to come.

i hope so, because iphones are so overrated

Maybe now more then they used to be, but back when they gave me an actual multitouch web browser with a pretty interface I thought nothing else could beat them. Just don't tell me you use BlackBerry's because then you've lost all your credibility

[mrwoooooooo]

Maybe now more then they used to be, but back when they gave me an actual multitouch web browser with a pretty interface I thought nothing else could beat them. Just don't tell me you use BlackBerry's because then you've lost all your credibility

Galaxy S2 with cyanogenmod

[HotelUser]

Galaxy S2 with cyanogenmod

You da' man.

I cba to read all those posts or type a lot, as I'm going out but...

Honestly, I hate Windows 8 and only see it working on tablets. I think this'll bring about a shift in market share in Apple's favor pretty sharply (not that they'll overtake MS, but it might shift a lot) in the PC market because of how much of a mess Windows 8 is on a laptop or desktop. In terms of iOS... I don't see it dying anytime soon. It's a massive ecosystem that produces consistent results and brings about high quality hardware with high quality software, which people are obviously paying a premium for and managing fine. If Apple were having issues, I think we'd start to see their prices decrease, which I can't see happening.

I'm slowly migrating our work client machines to Macs, we're a very high tech and up to date school and I'm trying to get the latest and greatest software out there so the children can experience it, Windows 8 just isn't going to provide a friendly experience for our staff or the children.

Interesting, personally I don't think we as consumers will be entitled to our opinions because Microsoft's partners clearly dominate the PC industry so lots of folks will be forced into Windows 8, just like with Windows the V word. Because of this marketing concept people will buy Windows tablets simply because they're used to the Windows experience, which to a lot of people is of genuine importance.

[mrwoooooooo]

I cba to read all those posts or type a lot, as I'm going out but...

Honestly, I hate Windows 8 and only see it working on tablets. I think this'll bring about a shift in market share in Apple's favor pretty sharply (not that they'll overtake MS, but it might shift a lot) in the PC market because of how much of a mess Windows 8 is on a laptop or desktop. In terms of iOS... I don't see it dying anytime soon. It's a massive ecosystem that produces consistent results and brings about high quality hardware with high quality software, which people are obviously paying a premium for and managing fine. If Apple were having issues, I think we'd start to see their prices decrease, which I can't see happening.

I'm slowly migrating our work client machines to Macs, we're a very high tech and up to date school and I'm trying to get the latest and greatest software out there so the children can experience it, Windows 8 just isn't going to provide a friendly experience for our staff or the children.

I'm hoping they have a U-turn on forcing desktop users to use metro, stranger things have happened