The Stupidity of Patrick Stewart

[-:Undertaker:-]

Another example in a long line as to why actors should stay out of politics.

So grateful for ECHR for bringing the right to a fair trial, freedom of religion & freedom from slavery to the UK https://t.co/pvjrQ9WmRw

— Ed West (@edwest) April 26, 2016

I recall my grandfather telling me about growing up in slavery in Lancashire before we signed up the ECHR

— Ed West (@edwest) April 26, 2016

After Theresa May says Britain should leave the European convention on human rights, Patrick Stewart, Adrian Scarborough and Sarah Solemani expose the problems in the Conservative plan for a UK bill of rights. This satirical take on the classic Monty Python sketch asks ‘what has the European Convention on Human Rights ever done for us?’ Apart from the right to a fair trial, freedom from slavery, freedom from torture ...

..says the Guardian and Patrick Stewart. What history books have they been reading?

The (actual) Facts

- Slavery was abolished in the British Isles in the 1200s:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slaver..._British_Isles

- Slavery and the trading of slaves was abolished by Britain across her Empire in 1833:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slaver...ition_Act_1833

- The right to a fair trial (which still doesn't exist across Europe - by jury) in Britain has existed gradually since the Magna Carta in 1215:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magna_Carta

- Protection against arbitury imprisonment (which is still practiced across Europe) was introduced in 1628:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petition_of_Right

- The "abhorrance" on torture being used to acquire evidence and used in courts has been banned for over 500 years under English law:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/200...8/terrorism.uk

Why do people believe this rubbish just because it is done well in a professional video on the Guardian when it is so easy to check the real facts?

[David]

[The Don]

Hahaha what an excellent video, well done Patrick Stewart.

[-:Undertaker:-]

"Hahaha what an excellent video, well done Patrick Stewart."

Thread edited by Flairr (Trialist Forum Moderator): Please do not post pointlessly, thanks.

[dbgtz]

Whilst I'm not saying the ECHR is responsible for anything in particular, I must admit I don't have huge faith in the current government to not completely dick us all over in some aspects of life.

Completely unrelated to this but I'm curious @-:Undertaker:-; as an advocate of privatisation of the NHS and other things I'm sure, what do you think of the current plans to privatise the land registry?

[-:Undertaker:-]

Whilst I'm not saying the ECHR is responsible for anything in particular, I must admit I don't have huge faith in the current government to not completely dick us all over in some aspects of life.

Isn't that the point of elections so we can then debate and hold those accountable in office?

The thought of a Jeremy Corbyn Labour government scares me. He supports nationalising industry, doesn't support the monarchy and cutting our defences. Now currently under EU law, he would be forbidden to roll back the Thatcher privatisation (which I believe helped this country immensely) of the 1980s. Yet despite the EU actually siding with me on that issue, I would never in a million years dream of blocking my elected opponents from implementing the policies they were elected to office on just because I disagree with them. Parliament is where I would go, and hold that government to account and hope my arguments won the day: not relying on foreign judges and commissioners who meet in secret to block my opponents.

Completely unrelated to this but I'm curious @-:Undertaker:-; as an advocate of privatisation of the NHS and other things I'm sure, what do you think of the current plans to privatise the land registry?

I haven't got an opinion on it as I don't know enough about it I am afraid.

Interesting you mention NHS privatisation though in regards to Europe. There's currently a EU-US Deal which looks to privatise at least parts of the NHS going through know as the TTIP. But i'm 100% against because I believe in sovereignty/democracy and know fully well the vast majority in this country support a public NHS. It'd be interesting to hear from supporters of the EU though how they square handing over decisions like this to unelected international tribunals.

https://fullfact.org/europe/does-tti...atisation-nhs/

[AgnesIO]

Oh, Ed West, because your little white privileged grandmother is obviously very knowledgeable on the topic of slavery in Britain. Something that still exists. On a monumental scale.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Oh, Ed West, because your little white privileged grandmother is obviously very knowledgeable on the topic of slavery in Britain. Something that still exists. On a monumental scale.

What's white privilege may I ask?

Isn't that a word that came from tumblr designed to silence white people from declaring their valid opinions in a free society that they themselves built?

[AgnesIO]

What's white privilege may I ask?

Isn't that a word that came from tumblr designed to silence white people from declaring their valid opinions in a free society that they themselves built?

Forgive me, missed the comma. Make it 'white, privileged', and I keep with my original statement.