Are chimps people too?

[GJay]

Of course chimps act human - they are who we came from.

Actually...chimps are more intelligent than some humans

[Ezzie.]

The Human Brain has a capasity which is roughly 3 petabytes.. Massivly more than computers at the moment, but theres already more **** than that on the net, to put it in prospective "/
Computers Can learn alot more than there made out to be able to. Even when given no real instructions at all. You create a small robot, its only task not to hit a wall and to keep moveing, combined with an abilty to work out if something works or doesnt.
First few trys it runs in to wall or does things randomly, Evenetaly it will figure out methods to deal with the problem. Have 30 robots doing the same, many of them will come up with differnt methods to the others. So this realy is indveridal learning on there part "/ The more advanced the computer, the more abilty to learn it can pick up "/
Mimicing humans though is easy, so leanring by copying doesnt actualy realy requre any advanced fucntion even in computing terms "/

I never said the chimps were "copying" so to say they were learning from their other community members and also the bobonos were learning from the woman who was acting as their parental figure. Also a robot is programmed to learn still, if you put a robot in the middle of a jungle with all parts in place and don't turn the switch on what would it do? :rolleyes: Kinda flaws the idea that robots can adapt and learn as if the switch was never turned on in the first place they're pointless...
Saying that a robot has the same learning capacity and adaptability as a sentient being is extremely out of whack.
The difference between a male and female "programming" a child is that this has been done millions upon millions of times before so the process is almost perfect..
But you seem to be going off topic now talking more about them in comparison to robots...

This is simple instinct, ants can do that o.0

Ants follow each other using trails of their scent? yes that's quite evolved... I was talking about the chimps understanding each other and not harming their young, if you're saying that is simple instinct then what about in certain species the father does his upmost to eat his young... I believe this happens with bears. So it being simple instinct is wrong. It's called a primitive society.

Not realy there showing basic learning fasilitys, which if used and requred in there every day life, will eventaly lead to the slow immergance of higher thinking, as did with humans, as human life slowly became more complex, so did are minds, higher functions are what allowed us to do this. If another life form gets the same challenge following our route is not unlikly "/ But at current i dont belive theres anything to suggest higher functions "

Question, have you actually watched the Horizon show yet? It shows a hell of alot of evidence against the stiff minded.. Ok lets go through a checklist..

Can chimps work together in a society: Yes
Do they have culture: Yes
Can they use language This doesn't class as the basic form of communication. : Yes
Can they feel fear and pain?: Yes

Again I really advise you to watch the programme if you haven't already.

[Dan2nd]

hmmm I agree that chimps should be treated corretly but not have te same rights as humans what if a chimp attacked and killeda small child would they get put in prison? not a good idea :p

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it cant independantly speak for itself and can only do very basic tasks, so its not exactly a person.

[entor M]

I never said the chimps were "copying" so to say they were learning from their other community members and also the bobonos were learning from the woman who was acting as their parental figure. Also a robot is programmed to learn still, if you put a robot in the middle of a jungle with all parts in place and don't turn the switch on what would it do? :rolleyes: Kinda flaws the idea that robots can adapt and learn as if the switch was never turned on in the first place they're pointless...

If you place a random lump of organic matter on the floor its not going to do a whole much better, animals are programed to in a sence, via the information in the DNA. The only real differnce is we supply the porgraming for the computer, the parent animal supplys it from the animal. We could easly make a computer that could make and program another... well nearly all computers already do, in the sence of compieling a program so it will work "/

Saying that a robot has the same learning capacity and adaptability as a sentient being is extremely out of whack.

Give it enough time they will probably suppas humans by some way, Sentients isnt somthing that just an organic lifeform can have. Quantom computing, although therotical could easly allow it, useing the computing analogy, thats how are brains are programed. Only this would be created by us, insted of the result of billions of years of eveolution "/

The difference between a male and female "programming" a child is that this has been done millions upon millions of times before so the process is almost perfect..
But you seem to be going off topic now talking more about them in comparison to robots...

Humans are far from perfect? nore is any life on this planet "/

The point being, computers now are NOT, sentiant, by any stretch, they are very simple, they have no higher thoughs, there not self awre. Yet in an equal test could do everything a chimp could, or at least you said a chimp could.
Performing tasks does not requre any higher function, abstract thinking and philopshisng on the other hand does "/

Ants follow each other using trails of their scent? yes that's quite evolved... I was talking about the chimps understanding each other and not harming their young, if you're saying that is simple instinct then what about in certain species the father does his upmost to eat his young...

Theres good reason for it, if theres a preditor, and theres no proper escape, the young will be killed an eaten by it. The animal may as well get the nutriants, and not let the preditor have it. Its instinct. A bear will also protect its young, and have socal structures just as advanced as any in the ape world "/

Question, have you actually watched the Horizon show yet? It shows a hell of alot of evidence against the stiff minded.. Ok lets go through a checklist..

Its not avaible to watch ahveing happened before i knew it was on.
horrison shows are famous for the bias, and single sided evidance.


Can chimps work together in a society: Yes
You need proof here, none has been provided.
Do they have culture: Yes
still no evidance, claims are usless without it
Can they use language This doesn't class as the basic form of communication. : Yes
Apes dont communicate in any more advnaced way than a mear cat, or even a tabby cat. theres also still no proof
Can they feel fear and pain?: Yes
Fear is an instinctal reaction, not a conuise one even in humans... and anything with a sence receptors can exsperince pain.

Again I really advise you to watch the programme if you haven't already.
Its not on, so isnt an option "/

[Ezzie.]

Try youtube/google vids or the actual website, they provided evidence to:


Can chimps work together in a society: Yes
You need proof here, none has been provided.
Do they have culture: Yes
still no evidance, claims are usless without it
Can they use language This doesn't class as the basic form of communication. : Yes
Apes dont communicate in any more advnaced way than a mear cat, or even a tabby cat. theres also still no proof
Can they feel fear and pain?: Yes
Fear is an instinctal reaction, not a conuise one even in humans... and anything with a sence receptors can exsperince pain.

Again I really advise you to watch the programme if you haven't already.
Its not on, so isnt an option "/

But I agree that it is quite a bias programme and the presenter knows **** all about science but the evidence the real scientists provided was quite amazing.

Also on the online debate thing that was on afterwards they were discussing whether chimps could philosophise and think abstractly, the "experts" were a little stumped on that one, one reason could be that they are so busy eating (as chimps eat practically all day) but I guess we'll know in time if this is being further investigated.