What Religion are you?

[cocaine]

Agnostic.

but i've been baptised catholic

[kolopo]

i'm actually catholic and i go to a catholic school. but me nor my family are religious. i think the only religious thing we do is not eating meat on good friday, my dad would kill me if i did.

[Mentor]

It's weird, after reading this thread I am becoming more and more into believing in God, however I'd never become a Christian. I am atheist and always will be I suppose, an atheist with a slight belief in God.

Aithiest = Without belife in god.
Theist = With belife in god.

Hence you cant be an aithiest and belive in god, that would make you a theist.

If your just unsure, then your just agnostic

What is God?
-God is a supreme spirit who alone exists of himself and is infinite in all perfections.

Yea, alot of people say this, the main problem with it is known as the problem of evil.
Since god is perfect he hence has the charictistics of Omniptance (all powerful.) and Benevolence (good willing)

yes?

Since god is "Good willing" he would not want evil right?

But we have evil do we not? Lots of things are makeing people suffer, both human and natural "evil"

That means ether:
A) God is All powerful and can stop evil and just does not want to.

Oh no, that means he cant be benvolent, which means hes not perfect, which means theres no god.

B) he wants to stop evil, he just isnt powerful enough to

Oh no, that means he cant be omniptant, which means hes not perfect, which means theres no god.

So what have we concluded, Which ever choice, a perfect being cannot exist when there is evil in the world, hence there can be no god.

-God was NOT created; He is that spirit who is able to give the gift of creation without having that gift conferred on him.

If theres one exseption why not more?

Why do we need a god to start with?
To create the universe.

But if god can exist without being created, Why cant the universe just do that as well? its far more logical.

Which means we have no need for god "/

Whatdo we know about God?
-God has ALWAYS existed; it is God's nature to exist.

Well the ontralogical argument (the idea that it is in gods definition to exist) is also VERY flawed.
So what the agrument says is, we imagine a £10 note, but an actual £10 note is better than the imaginary one.
We image god, But a real god would be better in the same way, than an imageny one.

And since god by definition is perfect, he would have to be the Best thing we can think of?
So since we can think of somthing better than the imaginary god, we ether accept god is real, or we dont actualy have a concept of god, just of a powerful being.


Now the problem here, is we apply this to an island, are perfect island, an island we can think of nothing better than, now if the island was real it would be better? so the island must as well be real to fit are concept of the perfect island..

Oh wait, are island still isnt real.. Dang

Why?
Existance isnt an attribute, its a state. You ether exist or you do not exist. (unless we go in to quantom mechanics, but ill skip that for now)

If this agrument for god was right, god would exist perfectly, he would exist better than you.
But how can you exist better exsactly, you ether do or dont "/

-We say that God is Eternal and Infinite and that there is only one god.

These both fit under the definition of perfection, see above.

God as Father
-The Christian Sign is the sign of the cross " In the name of the Father..."
-We are baptised in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, this is the blessed trinity - Three persons in one God.
This is a mystery that is fundamental to the Christian Faith.

The idea of the cross only came about in the new testiment, hence meaning your ignoreing about 3/4 of the bible "/

Also food for thought:

Since where ALL gods children, why was jesus so special?
In the time period jesus live "a son of god" was a common phrase attributed to anyone who was particaly religious.
In the bible jesus never claimed to be the son of god. everyone referd to god as father at the time, many still do.

-Summary-
One God made up of three persons - Father, Son and Holy Spirit - Trinity

If god is a singlar being, how could he have a son? since his son would just be him, an avitar maybe, but not a separate entity?

God is INFINITE and almighty - He can do all things - omnipotent (all powerful)
but can not go agaisnt his nature which is infinitely good.

So basicly he cant do all things, only good things, which means hes not omniptant.

God was created from "Ex Nihilo" (from nothing)

Wait? i though god was infiniate and eternal? How could he be created if he's existed forever?
He would need a creator to be created.

Genesis is a symbolic story of the creation of the world.

yet many people take it as litral truth

The Church accepts the Big Bang Theory of origin of the universe, but it is ordered and sustained by God.

Which demonitaion? quite a few dont. Plus the big bang isnt really a theary, alot of thearys include A big bang near the beginning of the universe, but knowing there was a big explosion, doesnt constitue a theary or exsample where the universe itself came from.

God is our Father in that he loves us, cares for us and has given us the world and our life.

So we can suffer for about 70 years before he lets you in to hevern and you can actualy be happy? or more likly just go to hell and suffer even more.

Very benevolent of him.

We are made in the image and likeness of God, chiefly in our souls, which are immortal, like God.

So basicly god looked like one of us? which one? or is he just not very good at getting people looking right, hence accounting for the variation in apperances "/

[Dentafrice1]

Im not sure.. I grew up in a christian home.. christian church.. im not sure what to believe.

I know there is a higher power somewhere,, but im not sure what or who.

[FlyingJesus]

One argument that beats all of the "it can't be right because of this and that" stuff: if God is omnipotent then He can work the impossible. He can kill people and still be omnibenevolent, He can have existed before existence existed, any paradox He can overcome simply because He is omnipotent.

I don't believe in the Jewish/Christian God myself, I'm just putting that forward as it can be used to counter any of that stuff above.

[Mentor]

One argument that beats all of the "it can't be right because of this and that" stuff: if God is omnipotent then He can work the impossible. He can kill people and still be omnibenevolent, He can have existed before existence existed, any paradox He can overcome simply because He is omnipotent.

Omniptance doesnt actualy overide logic, even an all powerful being is bound by it.
For exsample, can god make it so you never existed?
You know you exist now? right?

God can stop you from exist, yes
God can make it so you were never born, yes?

But you have still existed have you not, and god being omniscient would know this.

Just as he would know if he had commited evil, he could stop others from knowing, but he could never convince himself otherwize, without contraditing another aspect of his concept. The only way he could exscapte these boundrys would be via being transendant, but being transenant would make it immpossible to know god or his concept in any way "/

[Dentafrice1]

They say god designed humans..

If gods not human.. what is he? an oger?

[RedStratocas]

One argument that beats all of the "it can't be right because of this and that" stuff: if God is omnipotent then He can work the impossible. He can kill people and still be omnibenevolent, He can have existed before existence existed, any paradox He can overcome simply because He is omnipotent.

But that doesnt make any sense. Everything works somehow, there is no such thing as magic, stuff doesnt just happen and he cant just do stuff.

[Dentafrice1]

I dont see how people thing the big boom theory.. and we dont look like monkeys..

[Mentor]

I dont see how people thing the big boom theory.. and we dont look like monkeys..

o.0 we didnt evolve from monkeys... we evolved from apes... and actualy theres quite a big resemblance "/
Plus the big bang is an event, not a theary, its just part of alot of thearys.