Habbox excuses

[Boxiel]

Oh, lovely, another one of these :rolleyes:

So let's start from the beginning. This entire thing is about reputation isn't it. Not a single bit is about the other issues you raised, its attacking me for removing a few pointless reputations you recieved and infracting you, is it? Ok fine, I will defend myself.



No, what we are saying is that when you haven't logged in for a week, we do not start a thread saying "OMG PYCAN / LYCAN HASN'T LOGGED IN FOR A WEEK OR CHECKED MY PM!!" because you don't need to defend yourself against that. Apparently we do. (Apologies in advance, I *am* going to mix Pycan and Lycan up.)



You recieved an infraction for a thread that is basically asking for pointless +rep. And returning all that rep in a pointless fashion.



Where did I A) Flame you or B) Refuse to take constructive criticism? The only thing I did was posted a thread about the rampant pointless rep threads in the spam forum. You did not make any comments of constructive criticism that I saw.



:rolleyes:



As far as I'm concerned, I treat everyone with as much respect as I can. Which is why I standardize infractions and I don't infract only some people, and additionally when someone reports something, I always deal with it instead of ignoring it (as is highly relavant to this case, the entire incident started with someone reporting the thread in question. No I will not tell you who.)




I hope you're not talking about me, because I've never PMd you before, except for the automated infraction message. You have a right to complain (within the rules), of course, but by the same token, I have a right to defend myself.



That's actually my attempt at humor more than anything else, to make a serious thread a little more bearable. I can't actually make too much of a joke because it has to be serious, but if its completely boring and standard nobody reads it. Its strange, I agree, but I've come to learn that it works. Except I haven't actually said *that*



You can always ask I for example just sorted permissions for four departments, added VIP, replied to 42 PMs (35 of which were sitting in my inbox when I logged in), dealt with a few complaints, dropped off some prizes, spent some time in HxHD, checked on the trialists, made sure we had events and had a discussion with another admin about policy. And today was a tame day. We all have a lot to do I love my jobs, which is why I do them, and I can still do them, but it does kind of irritate me when people accuse me of doing absolutely no work :rolleyes: (not you, I'm just kind of making my point after my response to your quote.)



I replied to your PM...




That's a fair question. A lot of it has to do with Habbo itself. Remember, the UK hotel was up far before the US hotel was. Therefore, some of us had all our friends on the UK hotel, and we never really made the switch over. Habbox UK is the big one, therefore the most competent staff rise to the top. I'm going to reveal a staff prejudice here, so I ask that all HxW staff don't get offended, because it doesn't apply to *everyone* Most of us are of the common consensus that the people who can't get jobs on here and really want to work for Habbox go there. Or, the favorite quote of management, "The ones who can't get power here go there." That being said, that has slowly filtered out, and a lot of the international management is highly capable. But in the past, when they were desperate to fill slots, people just moved over there and got into management without doing work. Since we have more candidates over here, its easier to weed out those who don't work and those who do. You're right, it does seem unnatural, but when you see it through from the beginning it makes some kind of sense

NOTE: Most of the HxW staff currently are terrific at what they do. What I described above is mostly from the past, though its somewhat true now, because MOD jobs are so hard to come by here, a lot of people mod on the international Habbox.



As the desk closed and reopened, and the old management were lost, we did not know who were trialists and who weren't. We knew those who had permissions and who didn't. However we did post an activity thread, and we went based on those. The people who replied got in with the next wave. Looking through my PMs, the day you got VIP (7-18) and a seven day period after, I have no PMs about it. As you were saying?



Do you realize how ridiculous that is? If people in school weren't allowed to work here, I think we would have three members of staff. All members of staff would have to be paid, because not many adults will work for free on a Habbo fansite. Therefore a lot of our services will shut down. A lot. We can't even afford to pay like 3 normal salaries. 2,000 pounds a year, way below minimum wage? No way. Maybe one person. That's it. Most 17-19 year olds go to college.



For security reasons the number of admins are kept low. We also recently lost several management members, for example Tomlegend was great with stepping in wherever help is needed. MAD, myself, and J1MI could not take on his workload, because of the very thing you are complaining about, we don't take on more than we can chew, because we know it would affect our ability to provide services.



He's right, he did ask me, but that night a family emergency popped up, something I could not control, and as people have probably noticed, my activity was severely limited for a few days due to long nights and days. If you want us to be replaced every time we have a family emergency beyond our control, then half of Habbox would be fired by now.



Its actually true. Its difficult to do, but its something sierk, myself, and MAD have all taught ourselves to do. I have banned, infracted, and warned friends (yesterday included) because its my job, and I have to be unbiased. Unfortunately, some friends can't accept that I don't give favoritism when enforcing the rules, but I guess that shows who are true friends and who are just in it to suck up. Useful sort of, though its rather dissapointing when someone I liked turns out to be one of the suck up variety and not really a friend.




You were warned for pointless repping because people have complained about the system recently. When you are repping back just for rep, it is pointless. What would be allowed is going through the other person's posts, finding a genuinely good post, and repping them for *that*. Just putting "Good post" if the post is "yeah, I know" or "blahblah is trusted" will be deleted, because its quite obvious that you were covering up another post. But I think Chris and I have sorted out the problems he had with this. Like I said, I bear no ill will towards him, I actually thought and think he's a pretty decent guy, but I can't treat him differently than I would someone else in the same situation.



They do, we just haven't recieved payment.




We did go over that via PM, two or three of those got bunched in with the rest, and we agreed that a bunch were pointless, there are some we still disagree on, but he did say it was against the rules, just that he didn't agree that it *should* be against the rules, which is a different issue. I did treat you with respect, in that wasn't rude or attacked you personally. However, when it comes to enforcing the rules, everyone gets treated on the same level. For example, people who donate to the police department aren't allowed a shorter sentence for murder or robbery. (Of course, murder or robbery is more serious in a fashion, however when you consider it, its about equal when you realize the scope of things you can actually do on here.)



We don't, there's a specific rule against it, and we enforce it. I'd know, its the #1 thing I infract or warn staff members for, as a matter of fact I removed two today. I'd show you them for proof, but that's a breach of privacy



We care about it as people complain about how ridiculous the system is getting. And it is getting ridiculous, especially with the rulebreaking. Reputation related issues are becoming a huge part of the rulebreaking we have to deal with. Thus it directly affects our ability to deal with other matters, because we spend so much time dealing with these rep threads.



Its taken in context as well, if you rep someone who says "20 rep to 18 power!!" saying Good Post, the moderators *are* human and have the ability to recognize that it was, of course, pointless.



You were not the only one.




I honestly don't mean to make fun of you or attempt to insult you or anything, I'm asking this in complete honesty, but what issue are you talking about? I get contacted about so many things, polite and not, so I don't really assosciate it to a specific member. And I don't hold grudges either There was someone that I severely disliked, but they had a good application, I hired them, and they became an Assistant Manager. If I held a grudge against everyone that said something rude to me, or did something I disliked, I would hate half of Habbox. So I've learned to bear the grudge for two days and forget about it, plus, by then I probably have some other hate-thread from a member of staff I infracted



We really don't want to have to ban for rep. Trust me, like we *REALLY* don't. Its a last alternative. You'll probably get an infraction before a ban. But putting it in the PM is a wakeup call, and like I said, you're not the only one who got it. And thanks



We usually try to PM people with the reason it wasn't removed. At least I did, but to be fair on Josh, when I dealt with it, we had about 1/10 as many reports as he does now. Also, posts that don't follow the right format are instantly deleted.

We don't like people who kick up a fuss for personal benefit, but we learn to get past it. People who genuinely believe in what they're saying, and aren't doing it because they want something is different. And it doesn't mean I've classified you in the first group btw. I'm not even going to bother, because as soon as this is done and dusted, I'll just move on.



Its the Jewish New Year which is today.



I keep myself invisible, purely because sometimes I go away from my computer for a few hours and just hit switch user, when I go out with my friends or have a soccer game or something, and I don't want people to think I'm ignoring them when they PM me and see me online, because I try to deal with things in a timely fashion.



Infractions can be reported, the email man (Tomlegend) recently resigned, and you were treated the same way as others, which shows that it was fair across the board.




As for the VIP issue: Yes, we only did realize it now, because up until yesterday or two days ago, nobody thought to PM me about the issue, and posted it in relatively obscure threads where we could not realize. Only now when someone PMd me, then another, I realized that there was an issue, but I can't exactly take care of an issue when I don't know what's happening.



I wonder how many people will actually read that...

But hey, maybe the fact that I took the time to read and respond to all that will say something to the thread starters and their supporters saying we don't care nor work

EDIT: HOLY CRUD that is WAY long!!!

Owned... lol

[Lycan]

Owned... lol

How exactly is that owned, he managed to get two long messages in return from both me and Danny... please do not spam this thread. we want someone to take notice of the problems not ignore it because its been spamed with your posts.

[Boxiel]

How exactly is that owned, he managed to get two long messages in return from both me and Danny... please do not spam this thread. we want someone to take notice of the problems not ignore it because its been spamed with your posts.

Your "problems" have been resolved, and answered repeatedly. fnx

[Lycan]

Your "problems" have been resolved, and answered repeatedly. fnx

I don't see where, as after the long post you so happily quoted above there were two posts which argued and questioned certain points of it.


Stop trying to spam the thread, all the other 'Problem' threads (as you so put it) ended up getting spammed then closed or the users banned for getting abusive towards staff, This time i don't want that to happen

[Boxiel]

I don't see where, as after the long post you so happily quoted above there were two posts which argued and questioned certain points of it.


Stop trying to spam the thread, all the other 'Problem' threads (as you so put it) ended up getting spammed then closed or the users banned for getting abusive towards staff, This time i don't want that to happen

No one's spamming love, Just getting involved, as we are allowed to

[Cixso]

Your "problems" have been resolved, and answered repeatedly. fnx

Ok then, what did he solve? As he solved the problem? No, all he has done is defend hims elf.

No one's spamming love, Just getting involved, as we are allowed to

You are spamming.

-Rep.

[Lycan]

No one's spamming love, Just getting involved, as we are allowed to

You are indeed Spammng, you are involved as far as you placed your posts in this thread rather then a Spam forum.

Posting 'Owned' was not helpful in any respect and i can only assume you are doing it to ether annoy me and the other members who want something to happen and you want to block progress with pointless spam.


If you continue to argue against us in the eyes of Habbox it will be deemed as a fight and this thread will be closed. do you really want to be immature enough to do that?

[Boxiel]

You are indeed Spammng, you are involved as far as you placed your posts in this thread rather then a Spam forum.

Posting 'Owned' was not helpful in any respect and i can only assume you are doing it to ether annoy me and the other members who want something to happen and you want to block progress with pointless spam.


If you continue to argue against us in the eyes of Habbox it will be deemed as a fight and this thread will be closed. do you really want to be immature enough to do that?

Ok then, what did he solve? As he solved the problem? No, all he has done is defend hims elf.



You are spamming.

-Rep.

Reading through this thread, im starting to see why nvrspk is getting annoyed, it seems to be you two messing around, and making up crap, just to get noticed, and abusing your rep.

and lol at "Deemed a fight"

[Lycan]

Reading through this thread, im starting to see why nvrspk is getting annoyed, it seems to be you two messing around, and making up crap, just to get noticed, and abusing your rep.

and lol at "Deemed a fight"

Since i've been on this forum alot of threads like this one that were serrious to start with ended up in 'fights' and were closed, i say deemed a fight because that was the edit giving to such threads.

Nvrspk if he is getting annoyed we are sorry, but we want our questions awnsered... he can delete the thread , Ban us but the problems will remain and one day when you get a problem and no one is supporting you... you'll just have think... 'oops'

We are not abusing our rep, this thread is about more then Rep (Random as Nvrspk says its all about rep at the top of his long thread but then continues to awnser questions and posts which arn't related to reputation at all). If you are recieving - Rep from the posts you are makng, perhaps it is the content of the threads people are disagreeing with inwhich case it might be wise to stop


I expect Pycan to respond to your thread as well, but after that any post you make will be ignored by myself unless i personally don't feel its SPAM like your other posts.

[Cixso]

Reading through this thread, im starting to see why nvrspk is getting annoyed, it seems to be you two messing around, and making up crap, just to get noticed, and abusing your rep.

and lol at "Deemed a fight"

Messing around?

Look back, many other users agree with us. All the staff has done is only defend them selves. Not one has said thank you for the feedback and we will try and solve it.