Are infractions being scrapped?

[Jamesy]

Hmm...

Infractions are for any forum, especially bigger forums. It is far more informative for both sides, and much easier for us to determine the level of behaviour. The usernotes should only be used for specific issues that can't be recorded via the infraction system (Such as bans, the editing of profiles, and avatar/signature contact information). With the system, we are able to determine evidence is 100% legit if content needs to be edited out of a post, as the system copies exactly what the post contains into a thread for us to refer to with all the other handy information it gives us automatically.

Well, actually bigger forums ban you instead of infracting. 24 hours, a week etc.

[Agesilaus]

Well, actually bigger forums ban you instead of infracting. 24 hours, a week etc.

That has got to do with how the forum is run specifically, it doesn't have anything to do with the infraction system. My point was for the infraction system being used compared to using usernotes on a big forum. However, this could be an idea for the management to take into consideration, but I don't think a lot of people would like to see it implemented on Habbox.

www.computerforum.com is quite big and they use the infraction system, but they don't give you as much of a chance as Habbox does. They only give you a few infractions then you're out. But, they still use the infraction system to monitor behaviour.

[lew!]

I dont care what happens, Infactions are there to tell us that we've done something wrong,
and its good that we can see what the reason is etc and after a while we get banned, the thing that annoys me is that a few moderators (not naming anybody) abuse their powers and tend to go a bit over the top, as if its a contest to see who can infract the most people. Also, People say that they have 'vendettas' against certain mods, This is the case only because the moderators make it hard for themselves, I couldnt care less if somone infracted me for swearing, But for something like posting a picture of yourself in a thread that has the title; POST A PICTURE OF YOURSELF and everybody else is, whats the point?

[The Professor]

If I read the thread correctly there are still some fundamentals to be worked out before we get the details sorted, so don't hold your breath because you'll be dead by the time the changes arrive

Edited by Elkaa (Forum Manager): Some content removed.

[jesus]

Just to clarify - sierk has proposed a conglomeration of usernotes and infractions. We are clamping down on more serious rule breaking and easing up on the lighter rule breaking. I'm not sure if I can disclose what are in these catagories but I'm sure you will all find out soon enough.

[Catzsy]

Wow! Nice to see such harmony in the moderation department

Infractions are much more efficient and easier to use than user notes except in the hands of anybody trigger happy as they should be used with common sense. As MAD said you can also see what has been said about you so it's more open and honest. The appeal against them is also pretty well organised and again you can see the result.

[Orangeesh]

Management and the moderation department are still discussing whether to make some changes to the current system.

So yes and no. Infractions will not be scrapped either way.

[GommeInc]

Its actually the other way around usually because smaller forums usually are close friends who use the forum and also much easier to manage .

With user notes you cannot appeal for them to be removed as you cannot see them. You also don't know who has given you them and when a member ends up banned, they aren't usually sure why or for what exact reasons.

We never said we will scrap the infraction system, you have been misinformed I am afraid.

I am sure you'll agree that one major problem which everyone dislikes about the infraction system is that you can see what moderator gave you it and therefore disruptions will accure. Until you sort out a proper guide for moderators to follow so that they give accurate and sensible reasons (which it seems they fail at), then the user system is best, because not only can members not know about warnings (other than a guess from red writing on their posts), but other moderators can learn that the post has been dealt with and not be given multiple warnings; plus other moderators will be able to see what the member is capable of, which is where it becomes useful on a small forum. You know every member and can talk to them directly, while an infraction system which is an indirect approach, is something you'll see on a big forum.

[COLOR=black]www.computerforum.com is quite big and they use the infraction system, but they don't give you as much of a chance as Habbox does. They only give you a few infractions then you're out. But, they still use the infraction system to monitor behaviour.

Habbox have banned members who have only been infracted once, with little to no reasons that actually make sense. But I suppose everyone has different ways of moderating and administrating, which is a problem it would appear.

[Agesilaus]

Habbox have banned members who have only been infracted once, with little to no reasons that actually make sense. But I suppose everyone has different ways of moderating and administrating, which is a problem it would appear.

Within a specific reason. I'm talking about policy. The rules of the system. I'm unaware of the historical times, but right now 1 infraction for something minor compared to earning a ban is not going to get you banned, or shouldn't. Many people know that. It depends on what the circumstances are in regards to the offense. I am sure to speculate that a lot of people now would not have conflicted with a ban because of 1 infraction. There would have to be an alternative reason which had been taken into far more significant consideration than the amount of infractions.

[Elkaa]

Firstly, I'm extremely disappointed that this has been leaked out of the Forum Moderators section.

As for the infraction system and usernotes, nothing is decided yet, so nothing said in this thread is set in stone.