[HxHD] Why isnt manager allowed to own room?

[nvrspk4]

To clear up a few general misconceptions:

1) They don't trust the manager - HxHD is owned by an (A)GM not because we don't trust the manager, but because HxHD is meant to be an icon. When HxHD constantly changes hands, people don't know where to go as its constantly switching. Say someone leaves and comes back three months later, and there was a switch in ownership of HxHD (and if it was managers, it almost certainly would have). They would be confused as to where to go (and searching HxHD doesn't always actually get you HxHD). Also others might leech off the popularity once they leave, and things get confused, it just messes up the entire idea of HxHD as an icon.

2) I can't deal with the staff entrances - You're right, I can't be on whenever there's a breach. That's why the HxHD manager owns the staff entrances, and has since NintendoNews, we decided to make that change That's why you do your homework before making accusations

3) Staff don't have rights because he's never on - Speaking of doing your homework...wrong again When rights need to be distributed I usually get on earlier, or do it on a weekend. Every Super Staff and Team Leader has rights with the exception of one who has missed meeting times several times. It is not true that the manager does have rights. He had rights, but had them switched to his other account pending a name change.



So no those are not valid arguments at all. However I've always said that I am not the perfect choice simply because I'm not on as much as a GMT AGM would be, its just that the choice was I take HxHD or HxHD close. MAD couldn't access Habbo and sierk didn't use Habbo. However now that Jake is an AGM that's a legitimate option, should he wish to

[GommeInc]

So what about room banning members who constantly break the room rules? There has been numerous occasions where staff have to constantly sit there kicking a Habbo who continiously tries to enter and it has been a problem for the super staff who try to make sure they won't enter again, which takes up their time and will cause problems when that staff member has to leave the room (to do normal things).

Who's to say a Manager won't last a couple of months? They are a manager afterall, and should be hired for this, the same way an AGM or "Senior Manager" is hired. It is a trust issue, because you don't trust the manager to last more than a week :rolleyes: A regular department manager and assistant general manager are the same except one has more than one department job and doesn't primarily assist the general manager "/ A manager needs to own the room to sort out issues as soon as possible. If a manager cannot have it, then why can't an AGM? An AGM could be Help Desk Manager, and hopefully live in the UK so there is a chance they're readily available. Afterall, an AGM is a person with 2 or more Manager roles so effectively they're the same but more 'trusted' :rolleyes:

Perhaps Immenseman/Jake could own the room, he has the resources to, but the same argument applies really, how do we know he will stay an Assistant General Manager?

[Dan2nd]

I think Jake owning it could work if the manager had to own it and I was to become manager it'd be the crappyist help desk known to Habbo!

[HotelUser]

So what about room banning members who constantly break the room rules? There has been numerous occasions where staff have to constantly sit there kicking a Habbo who continiously tries to enter and it has been a problem for the super staff who try to make sure they won't enter again, which takes up their time and will cause problems when that staff member has to leave the room (to do normal things).

Who's to say a Manager won't last a couple of months? They are a manager afterall, and should be hired for this, the same way an AGM or "Senior Manager" is hired. It is a trust issue, because you don't trust the manager to last more than a week :rolleyes: A regular department manager and assistant general manager are the same except one has more than one department job and doesn't primarily assist the general manager "/ A manager needs to own the room to sort out issues as soon as possible. If a manager cannot have it, then why can't an AGM? An AGM could be Help Desk Manager, and hopefully live in the UK so there is a chance they're readily available. Afterall, an AGM is a person with 2 or more Manager roles so effectively they're the same but more 'trusted' :rolleyes:

Perhaps Immenseman/Jake could own the room, he has the resources to, but the same argument applies really, how do we know he will stay an Assistant General Manager?

having been in the position of having to constantly kick a banned user, yes it does get annoying but after a few minutes the user stops entering the desk. An Assistant General Manager does currently own the help desk, Nvrspk4. Jake owning the desk is a valid option, however he doesn't want to.

Hence my saying of the AGM owning it (who is GMT and not american, so he can be on when need be.)

It is to my understanding that Immenseman (Jake) has no desire to own the HxHD.

I don't really think you can blame me, my circumstances were strange, infact unique over what happend with one side against me and one side for me. I think if you have a manager who is really 'up for it' then perhaps they should be given the choice of whether or not to own the room. :8 Also in reply to the people saying the room has to be rich to be popular, well infact that is wrong. Many of my Offical Habbox Rare Values Room designs were cheap but the majority said they looked good, being rich isn't everything.

No, being rich isn't everything. However if you have next to no items and had to build the HxHD, you may be in for trouble.

I think the fact I changed my room name to HHGS.net is irrelevent, I was sat there explaining what was happening to people that night. I think it was rather clear what was going on as we had the whole department being stalked and being asked whats' going on, there was no mix up at all. The HxHD manager should be incharge of who is the room owner, it could even be a close friend maybe?

I still believe the desk should not be owned by a manager. There would be many complications when the manager resigns, or gets fired. If the manager was fired users would still visit their desk, living of HxHD's popularity. Furthermore not only would a new manager have to be appointed, but they would also be required to design a new desk and assure everyone is aware that the room owner has changed.

[Galaxay]

To clear up a few general misconceptions:

1) They don't trust the manager - HxHD is owned by an (A)GM not because we don't trust the manager, but because HxHD is meant to be an icon. When HxHD constantly changes hands, people don't know where to go as its constantly switching. Say someone leaves and comes back three months later, and there was a switch in ownership of HxHD (and if it was managers, it almost certainly would have). They would be confused as to where to go (and searching HxHD doesn't always actually get you HxHD). Also others might leech off the popularity once they leave, and things get confused, it just messes up the entire idea of HxHD as an icon.

What popularity is that? :S Read answer to David/HotelUsers quote below.

2) I can't deal with the staff entrances - You're right, I can't be on whenever there's a breach. That's why the HxHD manager owns the staff entrances, and has since NintendoNews, we decided to make that change That's why you do your homework before making accusations

If you knew english you'd read i'm saying about problems IN THE HELP DESK. As people are accessing HxHD, and even scripting as per the last few pages discussion, resulting in the teleporter being moved for the last 3 days so no staff can access staff area without an SS/TL member being present.

3) Staff don't have rights because he's never on - Speaking of doing your homework...wrong again When rights need to be distributed I usually get on earlier, or do it on a weekend. Every Super Staff and Team Leader has rights with the exception of one who has missed meeting times several times. It is not true that the manager does have rights. He had rights, but had them switched to his other account pending a name change.

Lmao, from what i've heard people sit on rollers all night waiting on you coming for rights (i.e. ZL2/Marc sat on the roller all night waiting for you to come and give rights, then the PM you sent last time (after reset of rights) saying you'd be in the desk from 9PM on that night and guess who never turned up :rolleyes: Whats the point in having a HxHD on UK with a US manager who cant even be on during the time their needed to ban, or use any of habbo's extra features for room owner.

So no those are not valid arguments at all. However I've always said that I am not the perfect choice simply because I'm not on as much as a GMT AGM would be, its just that the choice was I take HxHD or HxHD close. MAD couldn't access Habbo and sierk didn't use Habbo. However now that Jake is an AGM that's a legitimate option, should he wish to

I still believe the desk should not be owned by a manager. There would be many complications when the manager resigns, or gets fired. If the manager was fired users would still visit their desk, living of HxHD's popularity. Furthermore not only would a new manager have to be appointed, but they would also be required to design a new desk and assure everyone is aware that the room owner has changed.

No offence, but HxHD's popularity? The only epople in HxHD the majority of the time are; Me, Staff, GommeInc, and some ex-staff.

having been in the position of having to constantly kick a banned user, yes it does get annoying but after a few minutes the user stops entering the desk.

We both know thats a lie david.

[timROGERS]

Well since Dj-3000 left the replacement was Spectate who then resigned from Habbox a month or two then the position got handed over to Eckuii who did a great job in managing it and updating the help desk but I can't exactly remember what happened after that, I believe while a manager was being recruited 8Freak8 owned the room and well it was easiser just to leave it like that when Krypsis was given the job, Since then the desk has had several managers and to be quite honest with you it would be a great hastle to keep changing rooms and if the owner keeps changing with every manager most users will just get lost and won't be able to find the room so I think that why it was decided Nvrspk4 would own the room.
This may have it downsides but unless the manager is definitely going to stay as manager for the next 2/3 years I doubt they are going to be offering the actual rooms to the managers and make it so the (A)GM's own it.

I would have been here for the next 3 years - I'd been in the department for 3 and I had no intention to leaving.

To clear up a few general misconceptions:

1) They don't trust the manager - HxHD is owned by an (A)GM not because we don't trust the manager, but because HxHD is meant to be an icon. When HxHD constantly changes hands, people don't know where to go as its constantly switching. Say someone leaves and comes back three months later, and there was a switch in ownership of HxHD (and if it was managers, it almost certainly would have). They would be confused as to where to go (and searching HxHD doesn't always actually get you HxHD). Also others might leech off the popularity once they leave, and things get confused, it just messes up the entire idea of HxHD as an icon.

2) I can't deal with the staff entrances - You're right, I can't be on whenever there's a breach. That's why the HxHD manager owns the staff entrances, and has since NintendoNews, we decided to make that change That's why you do your homework before making accusations

3) Staff don't have rights because he's never on - Speaking of doing your homework...wrong again When rights need to be distributed I usually get on earlier, or do it on a weekend. Every Super Staff and Team Leader has rights with the exception of one who has missed meeting times several times. It is not true that the manager does have rights. He had rights, but had them switched to his other account pending a name change.



So no those are not valid arguments at all. However I've always said that I am not the perfect choice simply because I'm not on as much as a GMT AGM would be, its just that the choice was I take HxHD or HxHD close. MAD couldn't access Habbo and sierk didn't use Habbo. However now that Jake is an AGM that's a legitimate option, should he wish to

I know it is likely that people will expect otherwise, but I definetly agree with nvr! The first point is certainly true - I can understand the argument for not allowing managers to own the desk - turnover is quite high for the department and it's the sort of department that could be highly effected by a manager who quits/gets fired and then goes haywire. It's good for someone in a very high Habbox position to own the desk simply because they are the most likely to stay a long while, and desk moves will confuse the users who need the desk most.

As for the second point, I also agree. Having the manager own the staff entrances is by far the best option. The passwords were leaked many times during my time as HxHD manager, and being the owner of the entrances allows for a rapid and appropriate response which is very important for a leading help desk.

Finally, I definetly disagree with people's opinion that nvr is hard to get hold of. I personally never had any problem with obtaining rights and other things from nvr. He was always timely in setting up people's permissions and I could always get rights in good time after a reset.

Tim

[GommeInc]

having been in the position of having to constantly kick a banned user, yes it does get annoying but after a few minutes the user stops entering the desk. An Assistant General Manager does currently own the help desk, Nvrspk4. Jake owning the desk is a valid option, however he doesn't want to.

I've noticed times where you have had to leave the helpdesk when a Habbo keeps returning to cause havvoc, and another member of the help desk has had to deal with the constant kicking. Someone should own the help desk that is readily available. If Jake can't do it, give it to a manager with the furniture and resources to do it, because, as stated, a Manager and an AGM aren't that different. An AGM is someone who manages multiple deaprtments (by the looks of it).

[nvrspk4]

So what about room banning members who constantly break the room rules? There has been numerous occasions where staff have to constantly sit there kicking a Habbo who continiously tries to enter and it has been a problem for the super staff who try to make sure they won't enter again, which takes up their time and will cause problems when that staff member has to leave the room (to do normal things).

The owner, even if its a manager, will not be there 24/7. Especially if they're not even HxHD Staff. That's a valid argument, yes, I can't kick people, but you do realize that if its a huge problem they can be reported, and also reloading the hotel can get rid of the room ban.

Who's to say a Manager won't last a couple of months?

Search the announcements for HxHD Manager.

They are a manager afterall, and should be hired for this, the same way an AGM or "Senior Manager" is hired. It is a trust issue, because you don't trust the manager to last more than a week :rolleyes: A regular department manager and assistant general manager are the same except one has more than one department job and doesn't primarily assist the general manager "/ A manager needs to own the room to sort out issues as soon as possible. If a manager cannot have it, then why can't an AGM? An AGM could be Help Desk Manager, and hopefully live in the UK so there is a chance they're readily available. Afterall, an AGM is a person with 2 or more Manager roles so effectively they're the same but more 'trusted' :rolleyes:

Wrong. An AGM *was* a manager. Thus they've been with us as a manager, and we know they're going to stay with us. We like all of our managers, but we don't know how long they can stay. Often its not even their own choice, they have to leave for RL reasons or their behavior can't keep up with their work, etc. etc. Our managers don't last as long as AGMs, its a proven fact. An AGM could be a help desk manager potentially. Like I said, if MAD or sierk used Habbo frequently, then I'd gladly hand it over to them. Now with Immenseman the same applies, but I'm hearing that he doesn't want to (not sure if that's true or not), but I'm not going to put him in a position where he's forced to.

Perhaps Immenseman/Jake could own the room, he has the resources to, but the same argument applies really, how do we know he will stay an Assistant General Manager?

As above. How do we know, we don't, but its been proven through experience that (A)GMs stay longer than Department Managers.

I've noticed times where you have had to leave the helpdesk when a Habbo keeps returning to cause havvoc, and another member of the help desk has had to deal with the constant kicking. Someone should own the help desk that is readily available. If Jake can't do it, give it to a manager with the furniture and resources to do it, because, as stated, a Manager and an AGM aren't that different. An AGM is someone who manages multiple deaprtments (by the looks of it).

Even if the manager is a UK manager they won't be there at all times regardless. There will always be situations where that is happening. Even our HxHD Managers aren't there 24/7. No, a manager and an Assistant General Manager aren't the same thing. I know you love arguing that point but there isn't anything to say that just because an AGM *has* a managers job that its the same. If a man works as a pizza delivery boy but also works at McDonalds part time, is a pizza delivery boy the same as a McDonalds worker? Just because they hold both titles does not mean its the same thing.

What popularity is that? :S Read answer to David/HotelUsers quote below.

The little popularity we have which is therefore very valuable. People do come in, I've seen it for myself. When I go in its often on clones (a lot of people are familiar with them now ) But there are often 10 people in HxHD which is a fair amount considering that Help Desks are in less demand.

If you knew english you'd read i'm saying about problems IN THE HELP DESK. As people are accessing HxHD, and even scripting as per the last few pages discussion, resulting in the teleporter being moved for the last 3 days so no staff can access staff area without an SS/TL member being present.

Insulting people gains you no respect Scott. It just shows that you're getting frustrated and resort to insults to win. There's absolutely nothing I can do about the scripting, so I have no idea what a UK person being manager would do. The staff password wasn't leaked. The reason the teleporter is moved is because people have rights. The guy can script himself into a teleporter whenever he wants, so there's nothing we can do beyond reporting. Please, get the facts straight.

Lmao, from what i've heard people sit on rollers all night waiting on you coming for rights (i.e. ZL2/Marc sat on the roller all night waiting for you to come and give rights, then the PM you sent last time (after reset of rights) saying you'd be in the desk from 9PM on that night and guess who never turned up :rolleyes: Whats the point in having a HxHD on UK with a US manager who cant even be on during the time their needed to ban, or use any of habbo's extra features for room owner.

Once again, stop talking about what you don't bloody know. Your arrogance is getting downright irritating. ZL2 and HotelUser are the only two people who have ever sat on rollers to get rights, so generalizing with "people" is ridiculous. And the only reason I stood up my appointment is I was fighting a flipping serious version of a disease where I suffered fits of extreme exhaustion among other things (mono or Pfeiffer's Disease, look it up) where I fell asleep where I was. That day I literally ended up on the floor right next to my computer chair, it was also the reason I ended up going to the hospital. Its not because I intentionally decided I wasn't going to show. Stop chatting nonsense when you don't even know what's going on. You throw out generalizations and misinformation without even bothering to check it. Do me a favor and PM me the facts of your post before you post next so that you're at least arguing with legitimate information.

[GommeInc]

The owner, even if its a manager, will not be there 24/7. Especially if they're not even HxHD Staff. That's a valid argument, yes, I can't kick people, but you do realize that if its a huge problem they can be reported, and also reloading the hotel can get rid of the room ban.

Then they shouldn't be the HxHD Manager if they aren't on at available most of the time, so that argument is destroyed :rolleyes:

Search the announcements for HxHD Manager.

Same odds with an Assistant General Manager, except they hold more jobs so hold their position more :rolleyes:

Wrong. An AGM *was* a manager. Thus they've been with us as a manager, and we know they're going to stay with us. We like all of our managers, but we don't know how long they can stay. Often its not even their own choice, they have to leave for RL reasons or their behavior can't keep up with their work, etc. etc. Our managers don't last as long as AGMs, its a proven fact. An AGM could be a help desk manager potentially. Like I said, if MAD or sierk used Habbo frequently, then I'd gladly hand it over to them. Now with Immenseman the same applies, but I'm hearing that he doesn't want to (not sure if that's true or not), but I'm not going to put him in a position where he's forced to.

Noo... An AGM is a person with a management job, and possibly a few small jobs like Staff Editor. Although for a forum of this size, there should be more than one "/ The same argument applies with AGMs, you don't know how long they'll stay, there's just a higher possibility that they won't quit because you've chucked them more jobs and a title which makes little sense...

Also, PM... What's wrong with communcating with each other on HxF at the moment?!

As above. How do we know, we don't, but its been proven through experience that (A)GMs stay longer than Department Managers.

Because they're chucked more jobs, but there's still that possibility that they'll get rid of manager jobs or quit special editing jobs like VIP or Staff.

Even if the manager is a UK manager they won't be there at all times regardless. There will always be situations where that is happening. Even our HxHD Managers aren't there 24/7. No, a manager and an Assistant General Manager aren't the same thing. I know you love arguing that point but there isn't anything to say that just because an AGM *has* a managers job that its the same. If a man works as a pizza delivery boy but also works at McDonalds part time, is a pizza delivery boy the same as a McDonalds worker? Just because they hold both titles does not mean its the same thing.

As stated, if you hire managers who aren't available to talk to, then someone seriously hires people for the wrong reasons :rolleyes: Now your argument of the McDonalds worker also being a Delivery Boy. They're small jobs, so why give them a title that suggests they're important, like AGM? So your example has kinda disproven the AGM title, which is pointless. You've 'owned' yourself there...

[nvrspk4]

Then they shouldn't be the HxHD Manager if they aren't on at available most of the time, so that argument is destroyed :rolleyes:

That's why we've had to fire managers in the past

Same odds with an Assistant General Manager, except they hold more jobs so hold their position more :rolleyes:

Since DJ-3000 the following have been HxHD Manager and left/been removed:

Spectate, Calzeh, Eckuii, Re-Call, Krypsis, me, Hecktix, WiseBen, Intellexual (I believe...), Bren-Element, Dan2nd, Immenseman, NintendoNews

The following have been (A)GMs post-DJ and have left/been removed:

8Freak8, Baving, Seacat, Adzeh, jrh2002.

Also, there were usually three to four AGMs at a time while only one HxHD Manager (with the exception of Calzeh and Immenseman). (A)GMs simply stay longer.

Noo... An AGM is a person with a management job, and possibly a few small jobs like Staff Editor. Although for a forum of this size, there should be more than one "/ The same argument applies with AGMs, you don't know how long they'll stay, there's just a higher possibility that they won't quit because you've chucked them more jobs and a title which makes little sense...

Actually, I don't really have a management job anymore, Staff Editor is part of my AGM job (I'm AGM-Staff) and VIP Editor is my additional job. So really I only have two jobs now Joshuar has one. Immenseman is the only one with a Manager job, and he does a bang-up job of it anyway.

Also, PM... What's wrong with communcating with each other on HxF at the moment?!

Nothing, when you get the facts straight The comment wasn't addressed at you anyway, although I disagree with you you're a skilled debater and at least argue your case based on principle or known fact

Because they're chucked more jobs, but there's still that possibility that they'll get rid of manager jobs or quit special editing jobs like VIP or Staff.

But they will remain as Habbox Staff and continue owning the Help Desk

As stated, if you hire managers who aren't available to talk to, then someone seriously hires people for the wrong reasons :rolleyes: Now your argument of the McDonalds worker also being a Delivery Boy. They're small jobs, so why give them a title that suggests they're important, like AGM? So your example has kinda disproven the AGM title, which is pointless. You've 'owned' yourself there...

Ok, so if someone manages a big department store like Macy's but is also on the Town Council, is a Councilman the same as a Macy's Manager? Or if you class those as both high level and thus invalid, the Councilman could even be a realtor who is low down in their business or something, and the Council is their high job while a realtor is their "less important" job, but that still doesn't make Councilman the same title as Realtor.